Talk:Georg Lukács

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The tag "szegedi" before the 'real' name Lukács György indicates that the Lukács family had (1) nobility and (2) originated from the city of Szeged. However, such tags were only used in extremely formal situations. They were regarded more as addition to the name of an individual than a part of it. (This is indicated by the fact that they were never capitalized.)

[edit] recent edit

Regarding the recent edit [1] : first, that is not a minor edit by any standard. Second, the opinion that Lukács was an "apologist for Stalinism" is pure POV. It would be best to Avoid weasel words and cite a source for this opinion, rather than contend that it "is generally believed," which is dubious in any case. -- Rbellin 01:34, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Wotcher. The accusation leveled against Lukacs for Stalinism is very real, its the usual left gutter murmurings, and also (probably) in a couple of reviewed articles on him. However, its not a dominant opinion and it certainly doesn't account for Lukacs' repeated wanderings from the Party Line and subsequent disciplinary proceedings. Lukacs is best thought of as a dissident within Leninism, but more importantly, within the active Soviet Union inspired Communist Movement. Lukacs dreaded being isolated from /the/ revolution, you know /the one/ that began in October. So I've modified the section to make that clear, and altered the POV element. I wish I could find a cite, but I only know Lukacs in the 44-63 period. Fifelfoo 00:23, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, that's much improved. It would still be much better to cite a source for this opinion, though. -- Rbellin 03:25, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The original piece wasn't mine, I just edited away what NPOV I could. Someone who is a Lukacs specialist needs to do the cite work. Maybe wikipedia needs a standard header "This article lacks citations. If you can add citations to substantiate some of the views present in this article, please do so." just like the stub headerFifelfoo 05:38, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Apologies re: "apologist for Stalinism" addition; I was unaware it would be quite so contentious; regarding its minor edit status, I felt it continued logically from the discussion of the rest of the para, but evidently that was my misunderstanding. The recent edit to contextualise that phrase is a vast improvement on my efforts --- so once again, apologies. Regards. Mds 08:43, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Dear Fifel ... I reeditted some of your re-editting. My informations about the Decimation are well-known in Hungary, but at/on/in the link of C. Mutti you can see it. It's in Hungarian, sorry, but I haven't got English sources. I hope the article is OK. now for you. If not, you can correct it (sorry, I have no time for discussing the article, but I won't revert your edits if they would be correct. I have done minor changes now, too). But I ask you for treat your resources' information careful. Maybe they've been written before 1990, by communists. Even if they had foreign (non-hungarian) editors, maybe they not correct, have not enough informations; cause we in Hungary just started processing a lot of documents from the past "red" ages (In these days, when I write this, a huge scandal come out because someone put on the web an unkonown and disputed list of secret agents ...)

Oh, please don't correct the name of Hungarian Red Army. They called them like this, it's an official name. Gubbubu 17:06, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dear Gubbubu, I'll be doing some copyediting (mostly Anglicising your language to English norms) of your changes. Of course its the Hungarian Red Army in 1919 :). I'll also clarify that Lukacs can't be considered responsible for the /second/ period of persecution of Bibo. Fifelfoo 22:08, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sorry four bed Engglish, pleese! I was in a hurry. May bee I not spick English well, that's reel.

Please correct my informations about Bibo if you think you can and if you can. I'm don't sure in him (have resources but only a remark in it says Lukács attacked Bibo). I'm mainly sure in the information about/of Hamvas , he is a famous victim of Lukács. Gubbubu 00:52, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

How is Lukacs pronounced? As in, is the A really pronounced as an O sound, or is it the American O sound that's really a broad A-as-in-father? Someone have the IPA? 203.82.183.147 11:25, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC) (An Australian)

I don't speak Hungarian, but the British and American English rendering I've heard is roughly [lukɑtʃ] -- rhyming with Ed Koch. -- Rbellin|Talk 15:47, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If it were Lukacs, then it would be a short broad O (as in "a lot"). But as it is Lukács, it is a long normal A like in father. pronounced roughly like "lou-kotch," is definitely wrong, no matter if it's pronounced like that by most English speakers. (U is pronounced like in room but short, and it's stressed.)--Messlo 30 June 2005 11:33 (UTC)

Yes it is Lukács, á is a long hungarian "aa-"sound like in the English word "file" or father or bar [ba:*]. Gubbubu 30 June 2005 16:07 (UTC)

The problem with "lou-kotch" as an informal pronunciation guide is obviously a matter of (English) dialect variation. In my dialect of English it's roughly equivalent to [lukɑtʃ], but obviously in many others it isn't -- perhaps we should remove it and simply stick with [lukɑtʃ], a pronunciation with which your comment seems to roughly concur. -- Rbellin|Talk 30 June 2005 12:29 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

I want to expand this article in a lot of areas. History and Class Consciousness should get a separate article as well. Hanshans23