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Contents 1 Thank you 2 WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue II - October 2006 3 Reply 4 Hi 5 Arvanitis 6 Anniv 7 Your RfA 8 Unblock 9 Slavomakedonski 10 User page revert 11 Malakia 12 Thebes, Egypt 13 Wissahickon Creek 14 Re: Impersonator? 15 Your RfA 15.1 CONGRATS! 16 User:199.88.72.21 17 Macedonian language 18 Warning! 19 Architecture in ancient Greece 20 Freshman 21 Congrats 22 "Inscriptions"... 23 Thanks... 24 Glad to have you on board 25 More of the Buddhism business 26 Re IP 27 Re 28 Opinion please 29 Turkish saints 30 Argggghhh 31 Persian 32 Heaton Butler bayne and all the rest 33 Thanks 34 IP unblock 35 Help please 36 Greek islands 37 Move help 38 Tekleni 39 Re: User:Waiting4 (AIV) 40 DELETE [4] 41 Waiting4 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) 42 Altaic (again) 43 Hah 44 Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia 45 Sorry For The Messups 46 Username blocks 47 Autoblock Removal 48 User talk:PMA#Bart Versieck 49 GirneMarina.jpg 50 Shiny new buttons 51 Admin tools 52 Hey 53 Greek translation 54 Thank you for removing block 55 Koine Greek 56 Template 57 suspected sock of RunedChozo 58 Lokodd Vandalism 59 Ak Koyunlu Edit Wars 60 Case of possible speedy deletion 61 Khosrow's block 62 Sag mal, geht`s noch?! 63 Hi:) 64 Thanks 65 WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue III - November 2006 66 Help me 67 Aq Qoyunlu or Ak Koyunlu? 68 Personal attacks 69 GreekWarrior 70 Puppetry allegation

[edit] Thank you

My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at Wikipedia:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 02:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue II - October 2006

The October 2006 issue of the WikiProject History of Greece newsletter has been published.

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 14:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I can only begin to imagine! :p BTW, what do you think of my proposal here? —Khoikhoi 03:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Seems clear enough to me (I've moved the page). —Khoikhoi 23:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments in the Mustafa case. Regarding your other comment in the Pontic talk, shouldn't you file a WP:RFCU too? •NikoSilver• 14:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the RFCU page says requests related to arbcom should be filed on the arbcom pages only. Anyway, it's basically the same guys who are going to read it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Ummm, check Aldux's report on 'Cretanpride'. One of you is mistaken. A copy-paste wouldn't hurt (would it?) •NikoSilver• 14:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

But Cretanpride is not an ongoing Arbcom case, is it? But anyway, I think I've made sure my report is going to be noticed... Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with these things anyway. I just asked. There is nothing 'ongoing' about his block discussion though. •NikoSilver• 14:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

There is something funny here :) E104421 06:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arvanitis

Thank you very much for your compliments on my page. It was actually my first contribution to Wikipedia!! I was wondering, How can I get the page name to be both Yorgos and Giorgos Arvanitis (I.e. whichever first name you type, you get to the same page)? About him being an arvanites, well, I have to admit that it is an assumption. I will enquire about it and try to find a source. However, it is a rule of thumb that with such a name one is a real arvanites. The other possibility is that someone from his familly was at some point nicknamed like this (and it stayed on) because he/she came from an arvanites region or spoke only arvanitika.. but that would be less likely.. Yannis5

[edit] Anniv

Thank you very much. Has it been a year already? It feels like just yesterday, with trembling and sweaty hands, I was typing in "Dahn" for the very first time... Dahn 21:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

Hi Future Perf., I've done as you requested.--Caliga10 20:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I missed this, but what was the different account you were using? Nishkid64 21:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock

Please see my message; here, and here. Regards Mustafa Akalp^TC 09:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slavomakedonski

What are we going to do with that article now?--Tekleni 18:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The guy actually said he'd unprotect again if we wanted to continue working on a compromise. Has he already done it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm waiting for you to do whatever it is you have in mind. I haven't got much time left.--Apple flower 18:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

OK - now that I, Francis and Bomac have violated the 3RR, can't you just get an admin to block us so that we can cool off.--Tekleni 19:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Grrrr. No, I'll spare you until next week and let you simmer until I can block you myself. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Block, block? Who requested to be blocked? Lemme do it, lemme do it... Duja^► 15:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page revert

Many thanks...! Budgiekiller 13:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malakia

Magali malakia I tell you! I had tried smthng similar to that before (here) but didn't work. We're talking about obsession here! Check my report in WP:ANI too... •NikoSilver• 15:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

How do you like this? [2] Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Aha ha ha! We should definitely templatize that one! •NikoSilver• 15:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. However the LSJ 7th ed. dictionary of ancient Greek, says they're just different versions of the same word. Miskin 15:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thebes, Egypt

Yuor recent edit of "Thebes" -> "Thebes, Egypt" resulted in this in Tutankhamun:

[[Thebes, Egypt|Thebes]], [[Egypt]]

It seems a little redundant. Wouldn't it be better to make it:

[[Thebes, Egypt]]

Canadiana 12:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, feel free to change it. It's a question of whether you want to give the reader the direct link to Egypt together with that to the city - but I see, yes, it's probably unnecessary given the topic of the article. Sorry, this was a semi-mechanic replacing job with AWB, and I didn't perhaps give my full attention to each instance. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wissahickon Creek

...was actually User:Bonaparte. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Impersonator?

Thanks. :) Blocked. Looks like we've got a username troll or two active, tonight. Luna Santin 07:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

I am pleased to let you know that, consensus reached, you are now an Administrator. You should find the following forums useful:

• Administrators' reading list
• Administrators' how-to guide
• Administrators' Noticeboard

• Administrators' Noticeboard for Incidents
• Administrators' Noticeboard for Three-revert rule violations

Congratulations on your promotion and the best of luck with your new charge! Redux 20:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CONGRATS!

		A good ol' Kiwi Pav!
		I, Glen give you Future Perfect at Sunrise this delicious traditional Kiwi Pavlova for absolutely caining his RfA... welcome aboard! Glen 20:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Jolly well done, old chap! Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions about being an admin; I would probably like to know the answers too! Best wishes and happy mopping! (aeropagitica) 21:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Υπάρχουν διαχειριστές αρχίδια, και διαχειριστές με αρχίδια. Εσύ θα γίνεις το δεύτερο! Συγχαρητήρια φίλε! I'm proud of you! •NikoSilver• 22:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, I guess I'm not going to translate that one to the others, or should I? :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Future Perfect. You made it at last, congratulations! When you start suffering from adminitis, I'll be the one to diagnose it ;-) --Tekleni 22:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

FP, congratulations on your election. I hope it is a pleasure and not a burden.... --Macrakis 22:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations.. good luck! ANAS - Talk 12:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations Future and all the best with your adminship. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Now, you can block Niko yourself! And Francis, too! (Well, me as well, but I can whell war you). Duja^► 13:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Hah! Those pesky common mortals can't even imagine how seductive it is to see that "block" button displayed next to every single mentioning of their names in those edit histories, right? ;-) But speaking of wheel-warring, I might be suffering from adminitis already: [3]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Congratulations on your new and shiny mop and bucket! :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 11:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for arriving so embarassingly late in my congrats., but I've been away from wiki in these days. And remember, don't use the mop; use the bulldozer! ;-)--Aldux 18:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:199.88.72.21

Is there no way to block for longer? His modus operandi so far has been making massive additions, and then waiting a few days until everyone has forgotten about him before popping up again and continuing the campaign. As you can see, there have been no other substantial edits from his account, so by blocking the IP for longer, there's little risk that it would limit productive editing from any user connected from that IP. CRCulver 22:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, as this was my first ever block in my new life as an administrator, I thought I'd be conservative about block length. Also, I only saw him doing it on 4 November and 6 November. Have there been earlier activities under other IPs? Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonian language

Woo fucking hoo! I thought up a reasonable compromise, we can have a separate article for Alternative terms of reference for the Macedonian language and then mention it in the disambig note. - Francis Tyers · 23:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Aha ha ha! Ha ha! Ha. Ha-huh? •NikoSilver• 23:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning!

[edit] Architecture in ancient Greece

If someone wants to write an article on this subject which treats the subject more fully than I have done at Art in ancient Greece, they are welcome to do so. But there is no point in just copying the text from one article and calling it a new article, which is all this is (apart from some rubbish content which would need to be deleted anyway). Unless you want to write a new article yourself, I suggest you leave well enough alone. Adam 09:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure from your comments whether you are aware we are talking about two different articles: Greek architecture, which you criticised, and Architecture of ancient Greece. The former was designed as a diachronic summary article of all periodds of Greek architecture, and its "classical" section was indeed pretty much identical to that in Art in ancient Greece. The latter, however, is substantially more than that, and makes sense as a subarticle (detail article) for the summary section in Art in ancient Greece, for all I can see. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Art in ancient Greece is an exact copy of the architectural section of Art in ancient Greece, which is where I wrote that text to go and where it belongs, in the context of a discussion of ancient Greek art as a while. A few changes have been made to it, nearly all bad.
• Greek architecture is the same material, with some very poor material about Minoan and Mycenaean architecture stuck on the front, some mediocre material about Byzantine architecture at the end (already covered much better in Byzantine art) and one paragraph on the whole of modern Greek architecture (about which, as anyone who has seen modern Athens knows, the less said the better).
• My solution to this is to redirect both articles to Art in ancient Greece, and to allow someone to write Minoan architecture, Mycenaean architecture, Byzantine architecture and Modern Greek architecture if they want to. However, if that is not acceptable to you, I will leave you to sort this mess out for yourself. Kali nikhta. Adam 10:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freshman

Dear Future Perfect at Sunrise Congrats. Please ask my free help when you need it. Regards. Mustafa Akalp^TC 09:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua?!?

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL.

Congratulations FPAS! I wish I could write something like that lol. If you ever need help, you know where to reach me. =) Nishkid64 00:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Inscriptions"...

...famous ones too! Check my last contribs. The Deletion Cabalist 11:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Good catch. Welcome to the cabal, guest. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Your comment in the other AfD was nice too, I concur. I should have added bowling balls, or better this!! •NikoSilver• 14:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Aha ha! Definitely that one!!! •NikoSilver• 14:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

Congratulations and thanks for the thanks. It helped bring me up at a time when I am under both acute Wikistress and real life stress. Cheers! --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · e@} 00:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glad to have you on board

Glad your RfA went well; congratulations. Gwernol 00:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure, and congratulations! Jayjg ^(talk) 01:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• Congratulations! A pleasure to have you on the team -- Samir धर्म 01:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Me too! Me too! Congratulations! KrakatoaKatie 03:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I somehow forgot to take part in your RfA - but I definitely would have supported! All the best. riana_dzasta 06:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More of the Buddhism business

Per your advice I opened an RfC. There's been no disruption of the main article since. However, Dembot put in his version at the redirect page Buddhism and Christianity (and changed another redirect page, Buddhist-Christian Parallels to link to his version; the third redirect page, Buddhist-Christian parallels, was left alone this time although he has cut-and-pasted the his prefered version there in the past). I reverted it. I don't know if that's the kind of disruption you had in mind in your comment on my Talk page, but it seemed a heads-up might be in order. A.J.A. 04:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re IP

Ummm, I don't know. The flag seems to be official (see for instance here). Aesthetically it's not super, but moving is different than deleting. I also kinda prefer that one. WHOIS says Germany, but the IP doesn't match anyone we know. What do you propose? •NikoSilver• 11:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice! I'll join in. Thanks. •NikoSilver• 11:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Congradulations, Future Perfect at Sunrise!;-). I am sure u will do great as an admin and that u will use wisely your new buttons. Cheers! Hectorian 13:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

FP, could you check my latest edits. It's your favorite kind of editing dispute - do you want to help?--Tekleni 15:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

My favourite? Yeah, just like oranges with chocolate is my favourite dessert flavour. Brrrrrrr. Yuck. Μπλιαχ. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re

I was adding it, just had an editing conflict and lost what I wrote. Just did it again. Thanks.--Eupator 16:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion please

I've formulated a proposal and need to know what other people think about it. See User:NikoSilver/Disputed regions - Summary style (and click talk for your comments). The proposal is a result of a lengthy debate/poll in Template talk:Countries of Europe, but it extends obviously beyond Europe, so I made a subpage before I post it in WP:VPP. Thanks. •NikoSilver• 22:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish saints

I didn't anticipate this would generate heat. Thanks for the head's up.--Cúchullain ^t/c 23:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Argggghhh

We get through a morning of disruption on Turkey-related articles, only to see the same thing happening on Greece-related articles. :-( I have to go soon, you think you can hold down the fort until I get back? Thanks, Khoikhoi 23:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I sometimes forget not everyone lives in California. Alright, take care. Khoikhoi 23:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian

The history section looked weird with non-existent templates used as section headers etc. But before you even wrote to me, I had put back most of the anon's edits, and I'm still working on the article. Cheers :) --Mardavich 10:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heaton Butler bayne and all the rest

It's going to take a while- I'm presently working on Willement, who is the earliest of the 19th C British SG artists.

There's not a lot of info available on some of the firms, but i DO have some pretty pictures! Take a look at Stained glass - British glass, 1811-1918 and you'll see what it's all about..

--Amandajm 12:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey Future Perf.. congrats on becoming an admin and thanks for supporting mine and thanks too for being the first to congratulate me! Yours was one of the most viewed RFAs by me (being adjacent has its hazards:). Take care and just holler if any assistance required at all. -- Lost^(talk) 18:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IP unblock

Thanks for the unblock, and sorry if I was impatient. It's frustrating. I've left a fairly detailed (and somewhat strong) response and if you think it was out of line please do let me know. - 152.91.9.144^{20:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] Help please

Politis re-created this by mistake. Maybe he hadn't cleared his cache and saw it blue or smthng. Can you re-delete the talk? •NikoSilver• 22:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. It turns out the Supreme Cabal Regime of the English Wikipedia (SCREW), in their abundant wisdom, even devised an extra WP:CSD for this case. You live and learn. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Your view on that other thing is not urgent, although Template talk:Countries of Europe may be more of an urgent situation. We have a first there: Anon votes counted in poll! •NikoSilver• 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

This is becoming a rage! •NikoSilver• 22:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen anon votes before in my entire wikilife. How are we supposed to count dynamic multivoting IPs? You already know I have participated in dozens of polls, and everytime I see anons stricken. Also, elections would suffice in WP:WHY; and your vote count clearly refers to another issue (IMO). In any case, that'll be a first! I know Saxifrage is an experienced admin (he helped me once), but I think this is wrong judgement. Also, I kinda don't like it that every single opposing vote has to be dealt with extensive flooding comments from Oz and others. There seems to be a constant pushing that refuses to acknowledge the existence of yet one other POV in that talk. And, sorry to say, but I am afraid that Saxifrage has been misguided to become part of it. •NikoSilver• 23:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, whatever, but in any case, straw polls aren't supposed to be evaluated by vote "counting" anyway, but by weight of arguments. If that guy made some intelligent argument, and there's no reason to suspect he's double participating (which he could just as easily be doing if he was an account, come to think of it), then I'd say his opinion is part of the poll just like any other. AGF goes for anons too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Whatever, sure, but it's still a first. Anyway, there seems to be an unbridgeable difference there, and the poll is going head-to-head from the beginning. No clear consensus either-way I guess... •NikoSilver• 00:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek islands

I'm thinking of semi-protecting these articles - do you think this would be "using admin powers in a content dispute"? I think it's pretty clear that Mywayyy is possibly involved (there are no restrictions with banned users). Khoikhoi 02:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, if it's "using admin powers in a content dispute", then this is probably also "one admin telling another they're not in a content dispute when they both are"... But anyway, it's got to be stopped somehow, and Aldux used to employ semiprotection liberally for the same purpose, so I guess, yes, go ahead as far as I'm concerned. Fut.Perf. ☼ 02:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I'll do just that. If admins complain then I can unprotect. Khoikhoi 02:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move help

Thanks, could you please also fix the talk page move as well? Some glitch there. Thanks. --Irpen 11:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, sorry, forgot about that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tekleni

User:Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti için Bağımsızlık!!! is without a doubt Tekleni (he made only three edits, all doing the exact same reverts Tekleni did, and all right after you blocked him). Do you have any plans to deal with him other than just the current 3RR block? _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 20:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Sounds like a good idea. Maybe, as a good friend of his, you could ask him nicely not to use sockpuppets? :) _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 20:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Will u please revert the article Bulgarian Human Rights in Macedonia and fully protect it? wtf is going on with all those socks? Hectorian 21:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you revert it yourself? I'm tired. Kaltsef is blocked, the latest guy is legitimate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. hope it won't be reverted again this time. Hectorian 22:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: User:Waiting4 (AIV)

Sorry, admin crossover. I actually speedied the article as A7 (without prejudice for fuller re-creation) and blocked Waiting4 for revert-warring and personal attacks, before I saw your comments on AIV. Adding the deletion tag was a legitimate content issue, repeatedly removing it and reacting with a personal-attacks rampage across multiple pages was unacceptable. Feel free to review. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't require a review, the article was a substub without asserting notability. I've just pointed this out to Seraphimblade. Regards, (aeropagitica) 11:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DELETE [4]

I want no more to do with your house of trolls.

btw, you are a fucking idiot. I would just like to make one point before I go 11:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Waiting4 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)

I say the only thing Waiting4 is waiting for is an indefinite block. Edits like this, this, this and this leave me no doubt this is a garden-variety troll.

P.S. If you read this and no other admin has beaten you to it, please delete the broken redirects Frederick Houk Borsch, Frederick H. Borsch, and Fred Borsch. Kavadi carrier 13:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Altaic (again)

Hi, first of all, congratulations for your adminship. I think, at the end, we solved our dispute about the dispute. Together with Khoikhoi, we proposed a new solution to the tag problem also keeping Ante's comment "the infobox says "Language family", and if Altaic is not a family then removing the tags could eventually turn out to be misleading" in mind. The Altaic hypothesis page (which is nearly a copy-paste edit) was merged with the Altaic languages page. The solution for the info box is as follows:

Genetic Classification:Altaic^[1] (controversial)

1. ^ "[1] Ethnologue"

As an example, see Turkish. What do you think? Cheers! E104421 15:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

A bit heavy, but okay with me. Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, certainly. I guess the tags in themselves do not give much information to the general reader. For this reason, better than much ado about nothing. Cheers! E104421 22:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hah

I get it, the non-reversion/non-blocking/non-WP:RFCU of these two is a WP:NOFEEDING attempt to deal with it, huh? •NikoSilver• 22:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, didn't notice those two. As befits my new true face displayed on my userpage, I'm building up a reputation for dealing with things in a very non-blocking way, unoffensive way. ;-) Just kidding, I'd simply not seen those yet... Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually I was serious. We don't wanna block all IP's from that country now, do we? Anyway, I hope you saw what happened to that other anon we were disagreeing about... •NikoSilver• 23:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait a moment, help up my memory - which one do you mean? Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Adminitis has made you loose the count huh? About the anon voter at Template:Countries of Europe... •NikoSilver• 00:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Unconfirmed sock suspicions. Of course, that could happen with a normal account too, although when an account has been active for a bit longer one can usually tell a bit more easily. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, that 'sound intro' I was talking about, definitely becomes moot by the 'same-location' result. Doesn't it... •NikoSilver• 00:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia

The sock of User:Waiting4 has after some discussion with me produce more reliable sources and such about the article. I said that if he went back to his original account I'd talk to you about allowing recreation of the article. See User talk:2similar. JoshuaZ 22:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for dealing with him. Actually, I was responding on his talk page just the same minute. Of course I have no problem with a properly created page on that topic, and the account can be unblocked as soon as we have some assurance he's going to behave. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I am puzzled about the above named article. Was there such an article which was deleted at some time? I see a bunch of AfDs for other Lutheran Schools of Theology, which refer to an Afd for this one. The abovenamed school appears to be a legitimate and accredited one, with 32000 Google hits. Its web page says "The Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia is one of eight seminaries affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), a denomination with about 11,000 congregations in the United States and some 5.2 million baptized members." As such, it should have gone through the norman AfD process so that other editors could comment on the nomination and perhaps correct flaws in the article. I see you are an administrator, so I am hereby requesting that you post a copy of the speedily deleted article to my user page so I can see what was lacking in it and perhaps provide evidence of the notability of the school. Thanks. Edison 06:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry For The Messups

Sorry for the mess up. I won't revert anymore talk pages now; I think I stopped before you told me so I'm hoping I haven't gotten reported for 3RR over this. ^^; I'll probably take a break this evening from wiki lest I goof something else up by accident. Sorry again and thanks for the heads up. :) -WarthogDemon 06:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Username blocks

Unfortunately for Registered users the account creation tab makes no difference; I wondered that same thing myself for ages... but yep, thats the way our software works ** shrug ** Hope this helps?  Glen  12:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Autoblock Removal

Heya, just a quick thanks for removing the autoblock that was stopping me editing. Alexj2002 12:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:PMA#Bart Versieck

Hold on, I came first and now you just rephrase my words? I'll sue you for a copyvio! Duja► 13:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

That's what I get for not reading people's talk pages properly before adding to them... Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And I'd say, if the two of us agree and PMA isn't available to answer soon, we could go ahead and unblock, couldn't we? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GirneMarina.jpg

Hi Sunrise, I copy-pasted my whole correspondance with the photographer in the image file. I only translated part of it actually. I can translate the whole if that's necessary. I also added my response to the photographer, stressing the general use criteria. Regards. Cretanforever 17:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see, so your argument is basically that he in some way acquiesced to your using it, by not responding after you told him? Hmmmm... not that I'd want to feed the Wikipedia copyright paranoiacs, but I'm not sure somehow... Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shiny new buttons

[edit] Admin tools

The mop

Congratulations on becoming an admin! Enjoy your new-found powers, and remember to use them only for good, and not for evil. If you would like to try out your new mop, here are some spots that always need loving care: Category:Images with unknown source Category:Images with no copyright tag Category:Images with unknown copyright status Category:Replaceable fair use images All the best! - Quadell

The flamethrower

[edit] Hey

Please see User talk:NikoSilver for a list of 100 sources for his 1. Sources were taken from international organisations, journals and published books and university sites. - Francis Tyers · 17:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, congrats, you made it. What did you wager for? :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've no idea :/ :) - Francis Tyers · 10:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I was secretly betting that in his effort he would produce more links for my position. He did. •NikoSilver• 14:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Where? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek translation

I see you're fairly conversant in Greek, so I'd like to ask if you could translate something for me. I managed to get the gist of it through Babel Fish, but there are a couple words that it isn't translating, and I was wondering if they were insults or something (anything that's contrary to WP:CIVIL):

Η Χουντα της βικιπεδια

Εχουμε μπλεξει με χουντικους αντμιν. Ερχονται και με απειλουνε να μην βαζω σηματα ομαδων (!!!) στην UserPage μου. Ρε ποσο μαλακες μπορει να γινουν μερικοι? ΕΛΕΟΣ

Thanks for any help. _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 18:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

"The Wikipedia Junta - We've run into trouble with dictatorial/fascist(1) admins. They come and threaten me I shouldn't have symbols of (football?) clubs on my user page. How big idiots(2) can some people be? Heavens!"

(1) "χουντικους" refers to the right-wing dictatorial regime of 1967-74, so a translation as "fascist" is a little bit strong.

(2) see malakas.

Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 18:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

For number 1 it's more like 'authoritarian' in everyday speech. For number 2 check User:NikoSilver/Malakas where I've made some tweaks since protection. I need more sources for that, please help (FP). •NikoSilver• 14:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for removing block

Future,

Thank you for promptly removing the block on my user account due to someone else at my IP address. As you probably know, I'm access the Wikipedia through Brigham Young University's network, so blocking that one IP stops everyone from the university from editing. Thanks again! --Jcarroll 04:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Koine Greek

Thanks for correcting my Greek mistake on Koine Greek. Someday I'll actually learn the language and maybe won't make corrections without knowing what I'm talking about. :) Lesgles (talk) 04:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

As you might remember, the conflict related with the template goes on. As you already commented on this in the talk/discussion page. I'm sending you the message left to my talk page as follows:

Template:Turkish History Brief has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page.

Regards E104421 11:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] suspected sock of RunedChozo

please see Wheelygood (talk • contribs) whose account was created ten minutes after you blocked RunedChozo and has been reverting on those same pages, accompanied with personal attacks. ITAQALLAH 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh-oh... :-( Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lokodd Vandalism

Lokodd is changing information about population in many articles. He is climing Brazil has 20 million Germans everywhere ( I am from Brazil and WE DO NOT HAVE 20 million Germans here).

He is also changing information about Japanese people, Polish people, without sources.

I told him not to keep changing population informations without real sources, and he attacked my discussion page with offensive words.

I know it's him, because he posts here using his nickname, Lokodd, and also with his IP Adress, 200.161.82.68.

Please, do something about it...

[edit] Ak Koyunlu Edit Wars

I'm certain your interpretation of what was going on is better than mine, but the discussion history is just absurd, and when the participants are edit-warring in lieu of discussing on the talk page, it's hard to follow. I do see now there is a banner and the Turkish script name at issue. Thanks for bothering to take the time to catch at least one other of these. KP Botany 21:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Case of possible speedy deletion

I received this message from GilbertoSilvaFan:

"MTS Driver Recruiters is an advertising spam article created by User:Mtsdrivers and he's put a few links to the article here and there, for example on Truck driver. Not quite sure what to do, but I thought I'd let you know since you're an admin and everything. He originally put a link to the MTS Drivers website on the Truck driver page but I deleted it. It seems he's back and is determined to advertise his site on Wikipedia :-)"

You can check his full message in my talk page. I saw the article and, for me, it is in the category "Speedy deletion" (blatant advertising). I've already tagged it. I think you should check it as an administrator.

Thanks!--Yannismarou 09:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khosrow's block

Hey Fut, I'm just letting you know that I've unblocked Khosrow and reblocked him for an extra 54 hours (72 in total). Last time he breached 3RR, he asked me to unblock him early, and I agreed to, but I told him that if he breached 3RR again, he would be blocked for 48 hours. He agreed to this. But in this instance, because he was also edit warring on other articles, I've made it longer than 48. The short blocks don't seem to have been making an impression and instead of admitting at least some fault and trying to rectify the problem, he always responds with allegations that they are "unjustified" and suggestions of admin abuse, but with no evidence. I hope you don't mind me changing your block, but I feel I need to hold him accountable to the agreement he made with me.
Do you know if the other users he claims breached 3RR did or not?
Thanks, Fut. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 14:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, no problem with me, he's yours. ;-) As for Karcha, Zaparojdik, and Jidan: Karcha has just been indef-blocked as a sockpuppet. I'm actually skeptical about the sock allegation, but he's clearly a disruptive edit-warrior, no doubt about that. Zaparojdik I actually let off the hook with a last warning last time I came across him, but there were rather special circumstances involved; he needs some watching. Jidan has been a party to several very long-standing edit-warring disputes, and seems to have been skirting 3RR occasionally, List of Arab scientists and scholars seems to be a case in point but I haven't been monitoring that one. In short, just like in Khosrow's case, I'm not aware that any of them breached 3RR literally recently, but there's a tradition of edit warring with all three, I think. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sag mal, geht`s noch?!

In order to prevent (further) missinterpretations due to my lack of a proper English I would like to continue in German:

Lieber Future Perfect,

Du hast meine IP (194.9.5.12) für eine Woche geblockt, weil ich "offensichtlich" ein "sockpuppet" von "Ulritz" bin (=> "You are blocked for one week as an obvious sockpuppet of User:Ulritz under the Arbcom ruling, for revert-warring on Dutch people. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)")

Dazu habe ich das Folgende zu sagen:

1. ich bin NICHT Ulritz!

2. ich kenne ihn auch NICHT, ich habe nie mit ihm gesprochen oder sonstwie kommuniziert!

3. wenn ich zu Ulritz letzten Block angemerkt habe, es handelt es sich um einen Verstoß gegen das strafrechtliche Analogieverbot, so liegt dies nicht daran, dass Ulritz so ein toller Typ ist, sondern es sich um einen elementaren Grunsatz des (interantionalen) Strafrechts gehört, was mir als Jurist nunmal zufällig geläufig ist (siehe dazu zB Hans-Heinrich Jescheck "Strafrecht AT").

4. Auch einem Nichtjuristen wie Dir sollte aber der Rechtsgrundsatz "in dubio pro reo" bzw. "jemand gilt so lange als unschuldig bis ihm seine Unschuld nachgewiesen wurde" geläufig sein.

5. Obwohl ich also eigentlich nicht meine Unschuld beweisen müsste, so habe ich Rex Germanus nun schon diverse Male versichert, dass ich nicht Ulritz bin und ihn auch nicht kenne und in diesem zusammenhang sogar angegeben, dass meine IP in Frankfurt/Deutschland ist und ich deutscher Anwalt bin.

6. Soweit Du es im übrigen für sockpuppeterie" (was für ein beknacktes Wort!) halten solltest, dass ich gegen Einträge wie "Unless they're Germans, then you can just shoot them" oder "Germans were seen as uneducated, grumpy peasants who served as cheap labour to the wealthier Dutch" opponiere, welche dann auch noch mit Quellen wie www.engelfriet.net belegt werden, dann weiß ich wirklich nicht, ob Du nicht "an obvious sockpuppet" von Rex Germanus bist, der übrigens auch der Initator der berühmt berüchtigten "various terms used for Germans"-Seite ist, auf der sich jeder Deutschenhasser mal so richtig nach Lust und laune austoben kann.

Also, nimm es bitte nicht persönlich, aber ich habe den Eindruck, dass Du Dir nicht allzuviel Mühe gemacht zu haben scheinst, die Behauptungen von Rex zu verifizieren, sondern einfach mal geblockt hast (und damit übrigens die IP meiner Kanzlei, die ungefähr von 200 Leuten benutzt wird). Man hätte ja zB mal überprüfen können, ob meine IP auch wie von mir angegeben in Frankfurt liegt oder einfach mal den guten Ulritz fragen können.

Ich möchte Dich daher bitten, den Block aufzuheben oder mir zumindest dazulegen was ich nach Deiner Einschätzung verbrochen habe.

Vielen Dank für Deine Bemühungen im voraus und ein schönes WE! (82.83.107.196 17:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

ps: das ist übrigens die IP meiner Freundin

Hi (answering in English, I suppose you won't mind). - You were engaged in some pretty nasty revert-warring, so some block was clearly warranted, it was just a question of whether it would be a "normal" 3RR block or an Arbcom block. Immediately after I blocked you I submitted the case to checkuser for review (Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Ulritz). I was then away for most of yesterday and couldn't react immediately. By the time I came back, Dmcdevit had indeed responded that you were likely not identical with Ulritz. However, he and Fred Bauder had also made the proposal that you should be included in the same Arbcom probation as Rex and Ulritz (see WP:RFAR, towards the bottom). That's not official yet, but I took it to mean that at least they supported the block.

By the way, as for principles of just process, Wikipedia policy is in fact counter to real-world justice insofar as in dubio pro reo is explicitly not upheld with sockpuppet suspicions. You may not like it, but that's the way it is (it's somewhere in WP:SOCK, don't remember where.)

So, well, okay, I'll go out on a leg and unblock, sort of shortening this to a "normal" 3RR case. But be aware of that pending Arbcom injunction against you - you might as well start behaving as if it was already in place right now. Absolutely no further revert-warring tolerated.

Oh, and by the way, the "correct" way of making such a request would have been with an {unblock} on your own talk page, that way you wouldn't have needed to break the block the way you did now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Vielen Dank für die Rücknahme des Blocks. Daß ich nun aber in den Rex/Ulritz-Streit miteinbezogen werde, finde ich nicht in Ordnung und möchte daher hiermit dagegen in aller Form protestieren. Im übrigen hätte es mich gefreut, wenn Du auch auf die von mir angegebenen Gründe für meine Reverts eingegangen wärst. Jedenfalls finde ich es schon äusserst bemerkenswert, dass dieser mitunter gröbste Unfug auch noch von Administratoren unterstützt wird. Im Ergebnis kann ich also zB eine auf die Quelle www.sesamstraße.de gestützte Behauptung, dass 1+1=3 ist nun also 3x (bzw. nur noch 1x) auf 1+1=2 korrigieren und werde dann geblockt?! Bizarr! Wie dem auch immer sei, ich werde mich von nun an auf die deutsche Wikipedia konzentrieren, denn dort scheint noch die Vernunft zu regieren. Schade nur, dass die englische Version von Millionen von Leuten genutzt wird, die nun zB glauben, dass die Niederländer jeden Deutschen am Liebsten erschiessen würden... (194.9.5.10 09:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC))

Nur um das klarzustellen, mit der Arbcom-Entscheidung habe ich nichts zu tun. Aber wenn du doch mal weiter hier auf en. tätig sein willst, solltest du dir auf jeden Fall vorher WP:3RR und Wikipedia:Edit wars reinziehen. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi:)

You wrote me about my "article" Acropolis Museum. Thank you and...you're right!I want to write more about it...I am looking for more informations.:)Pearlin

[edit] Thanks

For that :) - Francis Tyers · 22:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue III - November 2006

The November 2006 issue of the WikiProject History of Greece newsletter has been published.

You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link.

Thank you.--Yannismarou 12:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't really worry! I just wanted to make a slightly humoristic comment. Thanks for informing me about the issue in dispute, because, when I saw these loooooooooooong lists I decided not to read them and just ask for a summary you just provided me!!! Cheers!--Yannismarou 14:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help me

Hello. Because I want to be a good Wikipedian and to avoid mistakes in the future, I would like to ask you for some help if you agree. I don't want to make war with you, and because you're the only Wikipedia expert i know, I ask you some questions before I write something :-). First, as I could understand it's possible to use a DVD cover (photo) without asking any licence from the Label, is that truth? --Ditirambo 17:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I have puted some new things on the page. They are all from google and yahoo research engine. Tell me if you like it? :-) --Ditirambo 14:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I don't think that it is exaggerated now. There is no any enthusiastic word. Actually, I think that it is poor now. Trust me, I'm Macedonian and we never had such a successful opera singer before, from Macedonia. I'm studying opera singing and I follow the opera since i was a little child. It's a great success to sing at the Salzburg Festival, Zurich Opernhaus, Stuttgart Staatsoper, Bruxelles' "La Monnaie", Teatro Carlo Felice from Genova etc. and finally, the bigest success is to debut at the age of 23 in Teatro dell'Opera di Roma with a conductor as Daniel Oren. --Ditirambo 14:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I just want to tell you that in the last 20 years there are about 40 theaters in the world that you can consider "first class". 30 years ago there were only La Scala di Milano, Metropolitan Opera New York, Covent Garden London, Opera de Paris, Vienna Staatsoper but now, theaters like, Stuttgart, Berlin, Frankfurt, Dresden, Hamburg, Munich (Germany), Genova, Torino, Naples, Rome, Parma, Cagliari, Florence (Italy), Zurich, Geneve (Switzerland), Paris, Lyon, Nice, Marseille (France), Bruxelles (Belgium), Amsterdam (Holland), Salzburg (Austria), Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco (USA), Madrid, Barcelona (Spain), Tokyo (Japan)... are in the same category like the 5 mentioned before, and Nacoski sings in theaters from this category, not in Vichy, Leeds, Perugia or something similar. That's why he is so successful. And he started singing there from the begining of his carrier, not like other young singers that have to sing before in small theaters and then if they are good (and lucky) they can sing in the inportant theaters. --Ditirambo 14:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I will contact Nacoski's mother about the image. I doubt I can find him in Macedonia... :-)--Ditirambo 14:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aq Qoyunlu or Ak Koyunlu?

I noticed that you have portected the article Ak Koyunlu and just wanted to say that the CORRET spelling of the name is Aq Qoyunlū. The q-sound is an original Turkic sound only lost in modern Anatolian Turkish (which replaces it with a normal /k/ sound), while it is preserved in allmost all other Turkic languages.

The Aq Qyolunlu Turcomans were a Turkic tribe from Central Asia who were deported to the Caucasus by Timur.

Besides the historical facts, the spelling Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu are also used by major scholarly and academic sources, such as the Encyclopaedia Iranica, Encyclopaedia of Islam, and Cambridge History of Iran.

See "Aq Qoyunlu" in Encyclopaedia Iranica (by Prof. Dr. Quiring-Zoche)

It's sad that articles are currently protected because of issues like this one!

Tājik 22:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tajik, the protection under the "K" title (but incidentally in the "Q" version of the text) was purely coincidental, a typical case of m:The Wrong Version. Just as the sister article was incidentally locked in the "Q" version. I can follow your argument, linguistically speaking. With respect to Wikipedia naming policy, I think the single most decisive argument should be what is most common in the English-speaking literature. Maybe you should ask the Turkish editors to come forward with sources if there's a significant amount of English literature using the "K" spelling. It's just that we need some assurance this won't erupt into edit-warring again once they are unlocked, so you'll have to find some way to hammer out a consensus or a compromise with them. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not expect much support or good will from the Turkish editors in that article, because they have proven to be rather on an extreme "pro-Turkey" path, i.e. putting Turkish interests over everything else (they even try to establish modern Anatolian expressions in articles such as Babur or Ghaznavids who had absolutely nothing to dow ith modern Anatolian Turkish or the History of Turkey).

I think that the spelling "Ak Koyonlu" is the most frequent spelling in English sources, yet, the most reliable and partly authoritative sources (Encyclopaedia of Islam, which is the major source for oriental studies in English, as well as the Encyclopaedia Iranica) both use the original "Qara", "Aq", and "Qoyunlu".

I would also like to point out that the English Wikipedia uses the Turkish spelling "Atatürk" instead of the English spelling "Ataturk". So, it's not always about "most used spellings" but also about the "best and most correct spellings". I suggest to use the original "Aq Qoyunlu" (as supported by awarded scholars in the mentioned encyclopaedias), with "Ak Koyunlu" redirecting to that article.

Tājik 23:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's really not up to me to decide. Your admitting that "k" might be more common in English would lend some prima facie plausibility to the other view - and there may still be sources among the "K" users equally reputable to the three "Q" users you mentioned. Let the other editors come up with some. Really, I don't want to decide this, I just want to see that there's some real, constructive dialogue going on before I unprotect. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

... by an anon: [5] Your help as an admin is needed. Thanks. Tājik 17:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, there's not really an awful lot I can do about a guy from a dynamic IP who makes a few edits and then vanishes. Is he identical with somebody else we know, or has he made similar attacks from other IPs? For the moment, I'd recommend just remove the b..t and ignore him. His IP is a dynamic one from a DSL provider in Istanbul. I see two admins are already after him anyway and warned him. Let us know if he comes back again and keeps being obnoxious. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I see. Thanks anyway. Tājik 17:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GreekWarrior

Hey, I just noticed this today, and it reminded me of someone. Sure enough, when I did a WHOIS, the IP was located in London. I've blocked it for one month as a reincarnation of GreekWarrior. I know you were involved in his ArbCom, so you might want to list this at the "List of blocks and bans". Cheers, Khoikhoi 19:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I think the anon might be a user who has had conflicts with Tajik in the past: Chapultepec/Kizzuwatna. I'm guessing this because it's likely that he's the same person as 85.100.33.205 (talk • contribs), 85.99.95.67 (talk • contribs), and 85.102.187.247 (talk • contribs) (check the edit histories (and talk pages) of Timur and Hajji Bektash Wali). He's a nice guy, as you can see from Kizzuwatna and Chapultepec talk pages, but seems to be pretty mad right now. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

Karcha's IP is 144.122.113.91 (talk • contribs) and the other anon is 144.122.113.136 (talk • contribs), that makes sense. I'll keep an eye on him.

Cheers, Khoikhoi 19:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Also do a RDNS lookup for the two last ones, you'll see what I mean. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, maybe a checkuser is necessary? Khoikhoi 23:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Puppetry allegation

Dear FPaS, I took an email from User:E104421 about allegation for that user and User:Karcha. He brings evidences about IP numbers, and adress.He needs help. I sent these info to you by mail since there are a lot of personal info.Please check your mail box. Sorry for my mediation. Regards.Must^TC 19:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)