Talk:Firestop

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[edit] Comment by SMS

This page lacks a neutral POV. There's a lot of material that seems motivated more by "which union gets paid for what" and "whose responsibility is it when firestops don't work correctly" rather than being actual information about firestops, how they are designed, how they work, etc.

[edit] Comment by editor

I went in to attempt a clean up of this, including formatting, but it's a mass of technical jargon and legal speach that to the the average reader would be completely non-understandable and unenlightening. I think what it needs is an engineer or architect to completely rewrite it in less technical terms and with more of a focus on what a firestop does and how it does it rather than the technical background of building codes and such. Lendorien 01:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I will edit this text for more clarity shortly, but the notion of having an engineer or architect re-write this problematic. Firestopping does not form part of the curriculum of any architect or engineering schools. The history of firestops, as linked at the bottom of the page originally tells the tale. Even fire protection engineers are no experts when it comes to this topic. Also, the technical "jargon" is something that I endeavour to make clear and provide definitions for. The fact is, from long experience, that people do not look up these topics out of general interest. It simply does not happen. Nobody cares remotely about fire protection unless there is a strong self-interest, which either mean the person is in the business or in the market for some of it or is attempting to get out of the responsibility of having to buy and install some. The fact is that those who do in fact have an interest need to be aware of very specific information, which necessarily includes terms that are common to standards and codes. To stray away from that specific terminology is really only harmful. However, I will endeavour to make some of this clearer. The editing on the part of my critic above already contains serious errors, which means I can certainly improve on the matter and I will do so shortly.--Achim 00:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

When the images are wrapped properly, as now, they wander off the end of the page. There are more inches of image than there are of text. Which are most valuable? Can we lose a few? I don't know enough on this subject to cut them myself, I just like formatting. Rissa 19:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

A picture tells a thousand words. Firestopping is a large and misunderstood topic and the source for plentiful code violations, which endanger lives and property every day. This article and its pictures hit many of the important points, which are useful for those who actually have to do the toil or deal with it in any fashion. The entirety also helps debunk a few common errors made in the field. It would be advisable to understand the topic prior to editing. If you would like to understand the topic better, you can go through some of the links there, or start here: http://www.geocities.com/astximw. --Achim 18:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)