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[edit] Thanks

Thanks for all of your work on adding Lycoming and Tioga county history. I have a request though - could you please add references so others can see where your information comes from? For example, I have used this source for Lycoming County:

Meginness, John Franklin [1892]. History of Lycoming County, Pennsylvania: including its aboriginal history; the colonial and revolutionary periods; early settlement and subsequent growth; organization and civil administration; the legal and medical professions; internal improvement; past and present history of Williamsport; manufacturing and lumber interests; religious, educational, and social development; geology and agriculture; military record; sketches of boroughs, townships, and villages; portraits and biographies of pioneers and representative citizens, etc. etc.", 1st Edition, Chicago, IL: Brown, Runk & Co.. ISBN 0-78840-428-8. Retrieved on 2006-03-16. “(Note: ISBN refers to Heritage Books July 1996 reprint. URL is to scan of 1892 version with some OCR typos).”

Please ask if you are uncertain how best to do this - thanks, and keep up the good work! Ruhrfisch 00:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Penn State 2006

Greetings. I did start the 2006 football season page, but it's more than I can handle to update and maintain. Any help you have provided is terrific, and if you can continue to update the page that would be great. We are... Pepperjack 18:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ravensburg State Park

Thanks Dinch, Ravensburg State Park looks good, and is especially impressive for your very first page. I will add a locator map and infobox to it tonight and clean it up a bit over the next couple days (it is a busy time for me right now, so it may take until the weekend). I will also leave more detailed feedback here if you want, but wanted to say congrats now on a nice first page! Thanks and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch 01:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• Always glad to collaborate and welcome to WikiProject PA too. I will see if I can get a photo or two next time I am in the area of Ravensburg - might take a while. I used www.topozone.com for the latitude and longitude and www.stateparks.com for the nearby parks. I still want to sit down and read through the article carefully and polish it a bit at some point. This is still a new article, so you could nominate if for Did You Know and see it on the Main Page. Just need an interesting fact - maybe "...that Ravensburg State Park in Pennsylvania, built by the CCC in the 1930s, is named for the ravens that still roost there?" Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the offer. Ask if you have any questions about photos and licenses on Wikipedia or Commons. Have fun at Penn State and if you can't get to Ravensburg SP, let me know and I will put it on my list of places to visit next time I am in that area. Good luck with Did You Know too. Ruhrfisch 01:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
    • No problem - hope you had a nice weekend. I will try to get a picture when I am in the area next. If you are looking for suggestions, I was planning to eventually get to the state parks along White Deer Creek and just north of it (R.B. Winter, McCall Dam, etc.). These would turn the red links in Ravensburg blue, but feel free to work on whatever. Take care, Ruhrfisch 01:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Codorus State Park looks good - I will add the infobox and map tomorrow. I am not sure about a picture - the other state park pictures I have added are ones I took and I am not sure when I will be there (I will add it to my list ;-) ). BTW, I finally did the last copyedit / cleanup on Ravensburg and will make a small article on Rauchtown Run / Antes Creek at some point (I really like creeks). One minor thing, headers usually do not include the name of the article (so "Recreation in Codorus State Park" would be just "Recreation"). Thanks and take care, Ruhrfisch 03:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shikellamy State Park

• Shikellamy State Park looks decent - I will add an infobox and clean it up some as I get the chance. By the way, the map is always the same with the PA parks infobox, the dot is what I change. I will also add it to my photo list ;-) Keep up the good work and take care, Ruhrfisch 02:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Hey, I just went to add a map to the article and saw you beat me to it - looks good and thanks! Ruhrfisch 03:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I just went through and did some cleanup on Shikellamy: copyedits, plus added latitude and longitude (of the overlook), townships, and two map refs (for each county). I see Ravensburg State Park is on the Main Page as a DYK - CONGRATS!! Ruhrfisch 16:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

You've been busy ;-) on Topozone, to get the latitude and longitude in degrees, minutes and seconds (Wikipedia's preferred format), pick "D/M/S" in the Coordinate Format pull down menu on the left side (second from bottom). Here is the link for Milton State Park with D/M/S selected: [1] The coordinates appear above the map. I have also been to Milton State Park and will add it to my growing list of places to photograph. I can add the coordinates to the articles - I also double check on the PennDot maps as very rarely Topozone gets it wrong (Upper Pine Bottom State Park is in the wrong place there). I have not been to Trough Creek State Park but it is another solid article. Thanks and take care, Ruhrfisch 01:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• I put latitude and longitude in Milton State Park and did some minor copyedits. The Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) recommend not linking years unless you have month and day and the year. If you want, I have a DYK user box on my User Page - just put this on yours if you want: {{User Did You Know2|1}} . I will also put lat and long in Trough Creek at some point. Take care and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch 01:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi Dinch, I just put three images onto Ravensburg State Park. I was there today but the sun kept going in and out of the clouds and I didn't get the world's best pictures (overcast) but they are OK (I think). I will look at Swatara SP next, but I am sure you did a good job with it. As far as the Wikiproject PA goes, I don't think anyone necessarily checks everything in the project. There are people on WP who look at all new articles (a fair number are not notable and get deleted). I am always glad to look at your articles if you want me to - usually another pair of eyes sees something different. I still add square kilometers to your new SP articles (you can type "127 acres in square km" in Google and it gives you the conversion answer) and townships if needed, but that is just me. I think Wikiprojects are more places to come up with answers to questions and to try and set standards for articles. Keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch 01:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On October 18, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ravensburg State Park, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leaving articles

Hi there; if you have to leave an article half-finished, then if you insert, at the top of the page, {{underconstruction}}, most editors will leave it alone. Happy wikying.--Anthony.bradbury 20:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swatara etc.

Hi Dinch, I did some copyedits and added townships and map refs to Swatara State Park just now. The link for all of the PennDOT county maps is here, if you are interested. I am glad to look articles over and hope you will return the favor when I get back to writing new articles (I am busy now and should be doing "real" work). It is always nice to have someone to collaborate with on Wikipedia. Did you know you can make your own Sandbox User:Dincher/Sandbox and work on articles there, then move them (cut and paste or the "move" tab) when you/they are ready? Other editors will generally leave work in your Sandbox or other subpages of your user page alone. I am glad you like the Ravensburg pix. It was not raining, but was fairly cold. The sun would peek out through the clouds, but every time it did I was nowhere near where I wanted pictures (or I was looking up at the rock formation and the sky behind it was too bright for a decent picture). Then I would hurry back to the dam and the sun went behind the clouds again. I couldn't stay too long, so I took what I could while there. I will look at Sizerville as I can, probably tomorrow. Take care and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch 02:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• You can make several subpages, if you want (more than just a sandbox). I have three. It's not a new article, but I just rewrote the lead section of Larrys Creek, trying to get it on the Main Page as the article of the day. I am trying to get it more interesting and compelling, but at this point it is, if anything, too familiar and I hope I am not just making it more verbose. If you want, how does the current three paragraph lead compare to the old two paragraph lead, here? Take care, Ruhrfisch 20:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for looking at it. The problem is that while I am sure it was polluted in the 19th century, I don't have a source that says so and verifiability and No original research are especially important and looked at in a featured article. Unless I have a source that says that, I can't really say it (although I tried to write it so that was the conclusion the reader would make, so I am glad you got it). I think the founding date and size of Camp Kiwanis would be useful for Larrys Creek. Other data could go into a stub about the camp itself. Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I have refs that the land was clear cut and had a disastrous fire, so I am looking for a good general ref that tanneries polluted, as Larrys Creek had a lot of tanneries (most modern tanneries use chromium, but they used tannin from hemlock bark then, so I need a ref on tannin pollution). Once I get that I thin I can write something that would say that, be verifiable and not be original research. Thanks! Ruhrfisch 15:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Hi Dinch, I found a ref on pollution in the Middle ages I think I can use here - it refers to problems both with mining (iron and coal on Larrys Creek) and tanning. It is not perfect, but I will add a note about all of those and their pollution being little changed even in the 1800s. Sorry I missed your post on my talk page on Hills Creek State Park until tonight for some reason. I have driven by Camp Kiwanis and read up on it on the web, but don't know much more about it. If you want some advice on uploading photos, I would be glad to help (I put most of mine on Wikimedia Commons as they can be used by any Wiki project from there). Just so you know, I will be traveling the next several days and am not sure if I will have internet access. I should be back on WP by Monday. I will look at your newest park articles next. Take care and keep cranking them out, Ruhrfisch 03:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I just found it via Google (I think I was searching on "tanning" "leather", and "pollution" maybe "tannin" too). One worry is that it is medieval, but I think I could use it if I can't find anything better. Most things I am finding online are from leather companies that oddly enough do not mention much on pollution. I keep forgetting to tell you, but I just play with the red dot and preview it over and over until I get it where I want it on the PA map. I see Choess has already copyedited Archbald Pothole State Park, but I will add a map ref and township. There are only 121 PA state parks, what will you do next ;-) Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I want to do an article on Babb Creek which was dead for over 100 years from acid mine drainage but has been brought back to life. I found an EPA ref that will work, perhaps in combination with the medieval ref here. I think Archbald Pothole would be a possible Did you know, maybe "...that the large pothole in Archbald Pothole State Park in Pennsylvania formed about 13,000 years in the Wisconsin glaciation, but was not discovered until 1884?". Take care, Ruhrfisch 11:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Do submit it to DYK - it has to be within 5 days of creation of the article. There are things all the time in a series of new articles (cars, Eurovision songs, European zoo animals, people named Toulmin lately). The worst they can do is not pick it, but I think they will. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
• My long term plan is to get Pine Creek up to Featured Article (along with all of the major creeks in Lycoming County). The panorama on the Pine Creek Gorge page is from me - there is an article on the rail trail, but it is at Pine Creek Trail. Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Started to work on Black Moshannon State Park but did not get through it all. Will be traveling tomorrow so will not get to it till later. Ruhrfisch 03:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I will look at the new articles later this week - have a backlog from travel and will likely only revert vandalism and answer talk tomorrow (but Wikipedia always gets me to do more than I plan, so who knows). Thanks as always for your hard work on all these and take care, Ruhrfisch 02:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More State Parks

I copyedited Black Moshannon State Park and Lyman Run State Park tonight, and added map links to all the ones I have not looked at yet (I think - have to double check Trough Creek SP. Thanks for mentioning me on your User page - to get 'Ruhrfisch' to not be a red link, try this: [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]]. Also if you want to line up your user boxes, you can try this: . {{Boxboxtop|DYK & Wikiprojects}} {{User Did You Know2|1}} {{User Wikiproject Pennsylvania}} {{Boxboxbottom}}. Take care, and I will try to get to the other articles soon, Ruhrfisch 04:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

• Congratualtions on the DYK! I had thought that Lyman Run State Park was a possible DYK candidate - perhaps DYK... "that Lyman Run State Park in Pennsylvania was the site of lumbering operations, a Civilian Conservation Corps camp, and a World War II Prisoner of War camp before bcoming a state park in 1951?". I have not yet read Ole Bull State Park that closely, but I will see if any DYK topics spring to mind for it. I have a lot of things to do for work tonight, so I may copyedit a bit as a break, but will not do too much else as far as I know. Take care, thanks for your kind words about me on your user page, and congrats again! Ruhrfisch 01:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
  • There is an article on Ole Bull and a picture there that could be put into the State Park article. There are certainly things in the article that could be in DYK, just have to pick the right one. ;-) Hope your work went better. I am still at it (got some sleep in between). Take care, Ruhrfisch 11:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Sounds good - I would not repeat 'Pennsylvania' and not sure about two uses of 'Norwegian'. How about Did you know ...that Ole Bull State Park in Pennsylvania is named for the renowned Norwegian violinist who tried to establish a Norwegian colony in the wilderness there in the 1850s? Hope you can outlast them today - at least there are only 20 ;-) Take care, Ruhrfisch 13:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Three in one night! Maybe it wasn't just the second graders who were fired up on Hallowe'en sugar! ;-) I added the PA (Pennsylvania) and PA (Protected Areas) wikiprojects to each of your park pages that didn't have them today and will add the new articles to my list to look at for copyedits. There are several "state parks" that are now just picnic areas. Usually in State Forest land - I wonder if they are placeholders for future larger parks? Upper Pine Bottom State Park is one - when I was there it was three picnic tables and a small parking area (and a lovely creek). I am pretty sure that DYK can't have more than one article about the same topic at a time and can't have more than one from the same area (IIRC), but I do not think there are any restrictions on back to back similar articles. Take care and keep plugging away, Ruhrfisch 01:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is on PA 44 west of Waterville. Sand Bridge SP is another picnic area in Union County. The Pine Creek Gorge panorama I took is from the West Rim Trail (an article on my to do list), not the park, but it is from an overlook fairly close to the park, so I think it would be OK to use it. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Mont Alto Rail Road created as requested. That one was easier. Choess 03:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Mont Alto State Park looks good - I had heard of it with the "Mont Alto State Forest Park" name when I was working on all the PA State Forest articles. I am also working my way through the SP articles and adding the Topozone refs more consistently. Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 31 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Archbald Pothole State Park, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 16:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Working Man's Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For tirelessly making or expanding 20 Pennsylvania State Park articles in less than a month. Keep up the good work! Ruhrfisch 04:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did You Know?

On 5 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lyman Run State Park, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 17:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats!

Congrats on TWO DYKs - that's great! A barnstar is a barn decoration and is sometimes used on buildings to reinforce them (essentially the nut on a long bolt). I will take a look at Beltzville State Park next (and sorry about PSU losing), take care, Ruhrfisch 02:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watch out for WP:3RR

Hey Dinch, do not remove the cleanup tag on Lyman Run State Park again - it would be the third time in 24 hours you reverted a change and you would be in trouble with the three revert rule and could be blocked from editing for a day or so. I will leave a message on the article's talk page and with Circeus and we can work something out without anyone getting into hot water over this. More later, Ruhrfisch 19:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually do not change any more of Circeus' edits there until 24 hours since your last change of one of his edits has passed. Ruhrfisch 19:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• When an article is on the front page (DYK) it attracts a lot of attention. I am sure Circeus wants what almost all editors want, to make Wikipedia as good an encyclopedia as possible. Remember this is an enyclopedia that anyone can edit (and will). We are to assume good faith by policy, and there are warnings against both 'owning' an article and calling other users names (at least repeatedly). Always try to talk things out on talk pages.
• More soon on uploading pictures - the quickest way would be to upload it here for now (on Wikipedia) and if you want I could upload it to Commons. If you want I can also walk you through Commons. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
• P.S. Bucktail State Park is the 75 mile long park on the West Branch and Sinnemahoning (Stony Salt Lick) Creek, right? Ruhrfisch 02:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh duh, you said expanding the article - sorry not to check Bucktail State Park first. Sorry, pressed save before I meant to. Would you rather upload to Wikipedia or try Commons? Let me know. Ruhrfisch 02:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Don't feel too bad - I almost got into 3RR trouble over people putting in Census 2005 population estimates vs. the actual 2000 census (which is just silly on my part). I think the map is good, but the fuzziness is because it is not the same size as the original. If you don't mind, I can try to fix it. Ruhrfisch 02:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
      • If you have it unfuzzy and want me to upload it, then you can email it to me at my user name at gmail dot com (I don't check that account much, so leave me a note on my talk page if you do). Have a good night, Ruhrfisch 02:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
        • I went ahead and fixed it and did some copyedits on the article itself - I only found mention of Cameron and Clinton Counties. Also fixed the elk picture so it is just an elk, not the box. Ask if you have more questions about images. Take care, Ruhrfisch 12:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad it looks OK. I will tweak Lyman Run State Park and see if I can get a compromise (i.e. makes no one happy ;-) ). Have a good day, Ruhrfisch 15:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I am going to put inline citations into the article next. I should do that with all articles, but it is more work. Have not heard from Circeus yet. If this format is OK, he might want all the state park articles changed over to something similar. Take care, Ruhrfisch 16:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Took a quick look at the three articles, a colonel who is not a colonel sounds like a possible DYK to me. Once again I have work to do so will copyedit as I can. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

ToC is Table of Contents - the complaint was that the contents were too long (especially for a short article) with all the headers in it. Different people like to do different things on Wikipedia. I have made maps for counties I have never been in. Sometimes people see a series of articles and think if I can change one I will hopefully change them all (and there are 121 PA state parks in PA). Have a good night, Ruhrfisch 03:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Parks

I fixed the reference in Hyner Run State Park. The word "title" was spelled "tile", which messed it all up (as the URL and TITLE are the only two required fields and it had no title, just a tile). Do you know about Template:Cite web? You can copy the stuff from there and avoid typos like this. Although I should be doing more work, I took a break and added the past pollution stuff to Larrys Creek and did some edits on your new park articles (mostly adding wikiprojects to the Talk pages). If you get a chance and want to look at the change in Larrys Creek and make sure it sounds OK, I would appreciate it. Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for catching the error in Larrys Creek - I fixed the same error in Fair Play Men. Take care, Ruhrfisch 12:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I did some minor edits to Hyner View State Park and would also love to get a picture of the view there (I will add it to my list but it is not a park or area I have been to yet). Take care, Ruhrfisch 22:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Did a quick fix on the bat image in Canoe Creek State Park - I added |right to move it right and |frame to put a frame around and make the caption appear. I also made it slightly smaller |240px makes it 240 pixels wide. Had hope to go to Hyner view this weekend but it is raining there on the radar. Have a good one, Ruhrfisch 18:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Congrats on another DYK! Just saw it on the Main Page Ruhrfisch 16:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Darwinek is right - since it is a subcategory of Pennsylvania, then we should not have both cats on the state park pages. I missed this until now (I think I started doing it with state forests, so I will change those too). My bad, sorry, but congrats all the same! Ruhrfisch 18:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dinch, I copyedited Reeds Gap State Park a little and added the wikiprojects to the talk page. It looks good - I assume Poe Paddy SP is next ;-) ? Have fun with the Mrs. - I have work to do tonight, but will take breaks on Wikipedia. As for Colonel Denning's source of rank, I did not see him listed on the Kentucky Colonel page - did I miss it or misunderstand? Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for clearing that up - I see Maunsel White on DYK now is also a colonel (probably honorary). It is funny how things like that get started - do you know the Balls Mills Naval Academy in Lycoming County? Sorry your wife is not feeling well - hope she's better soon. Maybe repeated exposure makes you more immune. Take care, Ruhrfisch 04:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Saw the two Poe state Parks and added wikiprojects to their talk pages. Will try to copyedit them sometme soon. I found a funny thing on Google with Ball Mills Naval Academy here [2]. Keep fighting the monster germs and give the Mrs. some of your extra antibodies. Ruhrfisch 01:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Hi Dinch, Classmates.com has already pulled the Naval Academy page - the link is just the Google archive. It is still a hoot (as a proud graduate of Balls Mills Naval Academy, I announce our 10 year class reunion....). As for Kings Gap Environmental Education and Training Center vs. Kings Gap State Park, I usually follow the State's name for parks, so I would probably leave it as the long name (which is what the template at the bottom links to). This would be an OK thing to ask on the WikiProject Pennsylvania talk page. It is good to have both names linked to the article in any case. Do you want me to ask it? Have a good one, Ruhrfisch 04:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Hi Dinch, you've been busy today. I will ask about the name of Kings Gap State Park on the PA page. When you move a page it leaves a redirect page behind that directs to the new page. There are four parks with similar names: Susquehanna State Park (Maryland), Susquehanna State Park (Pennsylvania), Susquehannock State Park, and Susquehanna State Forest. I have written all but the Maryland one. Since the names are so similar, there is a disambiguation on each. More later, Ruhrfisch 02:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I put the question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania and copyedited the article a bit. The idea above is that someone might not be sure if it were Susquehanna or Susquehannock and so if they enter one, they are linked to the others (disambiguation). Have a good one - I will look at the other new parks soon. Ruhrfisch 03:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PA state parks

Hello. You welcome. I am always glad to help. Do you plan to create remaining missing articles on PA state parks? - Darwinek 09:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NC Weather

Have seen the awful weather in NC on the news - trust you and yours are weathering the storm OK? I voted with you on Kings Gap State Park, by the way. Take care, and stay dry, Ruhrfisch 21:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Glad to hear you are well. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)