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[edit] Speedies
Hello. I removed the Speedy Delete tag from The Lawrence Arms, as it doesn't qualify as a Candidate for Speedy Deletion. You could list it for Votes for Deletion if you like, but usually a band with several releases will pass the "band vanity" test. Did you know you can use "deletebecause" tags? Instead of typing {{delete}} and then a comment that will remain "hidden" you can type {{db|reason article should be deleted}} -- this will cause the reason to show on the article screen inside the Speedy Delete box. Happy editing! SWAdair | Talk 06:02, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Actually, you can use either db or deletebecause, but db is much easier to type. :-) SWAdair | Talk 08:08, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Bureaucratship
Thanks for your supportive vote of my bureaucratship. Unfortunately, the vote was judged to be too close, but I hope you'll support me when I run again. :) Andre (talk) 15:59, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] A Message to my Fellow Candidate
Friend,
The Arbitration Committee elections are almost here. I humbly ask for your vote in this election cycle. I have been a user of Wikipedia for over a year. I was here before the Community Portal, categories, or <tt>{{stub}}</tt>. I know how Wikipedia operates, and I am prepared to do my part to deal with problematic accounts. I wish to cut out the bureaucracy that makes our website stagnate. We need solutions to our problems now. If you want an arbitrator who believes in action, frankness, honesty, and fairness in every case, I am your arbitrator. Thank you for your time. You are under no obligation to answer this message.
[edit] List of video game music
While the 26 articles in List of video game music certainly aren't perfect, an RFC listing is supposed to link to a current dispute on a talk page. It doesn't seem like there's a content dispute here, and I doubt that anyone would mind it if the lists were cleaned up. Maybe you should remove this listing from RFC and place it on Wikipedia:Cleanup and/or Wikipedia:Pages needing attention. Rhobite 04:28, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Fnord
It was my fault. I'd already sent off the edit before I could amend the summary with "removing reference, see talk". I'm sorry to have wasted a few seconds of your life. :-) JRM 21:54, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)
- Now that you've vandalised my user page, I'm not sorry any more, as we're even. Oh, and if I'd seen your user page sooner, I would have voted for you on ArbCom. Cheers! JRM 13:17, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)
[edit] Bureaucratship
I'm letting you know that I've just nominated myself for bureaucratship for the second time. If you didn't care to know about this, I apologize for the inconvenience. Andre (talk) 02:38, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, DG. Thank you so much for your support and kind words on my bureaucratship nomination. Unfortunately, it didn't pass, but I intend to run again soon. If you'd like to be informed next time around, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks again! Andre (talk) 05:04, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Otherkin
I don't really know what your beef with the Otherkin article is, but could you please stop trying to add information about "werehouses" unless you actually have sources that cite that as a real belief within the otherkin subculture? The Illinois Movers and Warehousemen's Association website obviously does not refer to either werehouses or otherkin. I think that's pretty obvious.
Given your edits on What Wikipedia is Not, which express your obvious dislike of Gimmeit; plus the rather obvious fact of you having identical initials, I'm guessing that you're the same user as DreamGuy. Is this stuff being done over the argument you and I were having about clinical lycanthropy, or is it the older debate between you and him? Either way, can't it be dealt with in a more positive manner than trying to do sneaky vandalism on a page to insert misinformation? Jarandhel (talk) 13:05, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I think that's a wrong guess. Regardless, what you're doing is vandalism, and you will be blocked if you continue. android79 23:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop
You, or any Wikipedia user, can contribute your suggestions and comments to the /Workshop page of any active arbitration case. Comments on evidence or proposals can help in understanding the import of evidence and in refining proposals. Proposed principles, findings of fact, or remedies may be listed on /Proposed decision and form part of the final decision. Fred Bauder 14:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] {{advertising}}
DG, I very much share your concerns about advertising, but placing that template on the Talk:Wikipedia page isn't really solving the problem. If you could provide me with a list of links that you feel are advertising, I'll gladly get to work on dealing with them. Thanks, Ingoolemo talk 05:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, it's User:Zondor who did it. My apologies. Ingoolemo talk 05:54, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] BS Detector
I'm actually very glad you asked me this. More than anything else, having gone through the new jersey public schooling system has necessarily made me a brilliant expert at both processing and generating bullshit of any and every classification. In fact, if I could name only one thing I'm terrific at, it's processing and generating bullshit. In a more wikipedian context, I am sure that if you just take a cursory look at my edits you will find yourself rolling in bullshit. This should settle any doubts. D. G. 00:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm glad someone agrees with me on this point (Illinois School System in my case). Cheers — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 21:57, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Arbcom candidate userbox
Greetings. I've made a new userbox for arbcom candidates to show on their userpages so that visiters will know they're running.
- {{User arbcom nom}}
If you'd like to place it on your userpage, feel free. Regards, – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 02:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Domain kiting
I've reverted your re-direct. There's a proper way to move the article, but I disagree with the move. Ardenn 20:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've listed it at requested moves, and you can comment at Talk:Domain kiting. Ardenn 20:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Princeton High School
I have reverted several of your edits because they take out necessary information.
Removing the fact that the school is located in the borough of Princeton does NOT make it more concise. The borough of Princeton has its own fire department, city codes, etc. It is a completely separate entity from the Princeton Township.
Also, all high schools must keep their "Feeder patterns" section, because it tells what schools "Feed" into the high school. Removing that section makes the article a worse encyclopedia article.
WhisperToMe 19:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
No, it's not a redundant section. The top did not link to Cranbury School, while the bottom section did. If you do not mind, I wish to immediately restore this. By the way, except with K-12 schools, I am trying to make this an established format in ALL public school articles. Even if the information is/seems redundant, the section still must exist to maintain consistency.
Also, I am primairly using legal municipalities instead of colloquial municipalities or with colloquial municipalities in the first sentence. I am always trying to do this in every school article. I know nobody thinks of PHS as in just "Princeton". I am NOT going to make an exception for PHS just because of this.
Also, talk to User:Alansohn. He sides with me for using Borough of Princeton primairly. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WhisperToMe&diff=56928994&oldid=56698287
My point is - "Princeton, NJ" is clearly nothing more than a grouping of two municipalities. "Borough of Princeton" should be dominant and always mentioned, NOT "Princeton, NJ"
WhisperToMe 05:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Sir, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
By the way, some of the changes in re the Borough are not even accurate. For example, you change the address to "Borough of Princeton, NJ 08540". That is not an address. If you address a letter that way it won't get anywhere. Well, the postal service will, if they are kind, probably figure out what you mean, just like when you misspell a street name, but...
I can see that you are mainly doing this to be consistent. I understand that and I think it's ridiculous. Why does it need to be consistent in that particular way? And the Cranbury School thing is immaterial. I've just wikilinked it where it should have gone in the first place. It seems like you're using Cranbury School to further your point, since you created that article in the first place. You don't need a Feeder patterns section for that; you could just have wikilinked it where it was appropriate.
And I wish you would please not say things in that way: "I am NOT going to make an exception for PHS." Exception from what rule? A rule you just made up and are trying to get to catch on? Good luck, buddy. Heck, even real Wikipedia rules often have exceptions.
By the way, I am not saying the Borough information should not be there. Under the article prior to your changes, it was in the very first sentence of the first named section. Of course, you say that you "insist on it saying Borough of Princeton in the first line." Why you must insist on such particular placing I don't know.
This article isn't about Borough of Princeton High School. There is no such thing. It is Princeton High School and the technical way Princeton is split into two legal municipal governing bodies is no reason to clutter the lead-in.
Do you have any good reasons other than consistency with other articles for the feeder pattern and other changes, by the way? Because if not, I can't see the point. D. G. 17:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Let's go through this one by one... "Sir, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. "
You mean the consistency of using dates and following a Manual of Style?
"It seems like you're using Cranbury School to further your point, since you created that article in the first place. You don't need a Feeder patterns section for that; you could just have wikilinked it where it was appropriate."
And if I created articles for Witherspoon Middle and all the elementary schools (And I easily could)? Boy, that would be cumbersome to mention all of them in the first paragraph. And, no, I actually created that article to remove some categories from "Cranbury, New Jersey" and place them in "Cranbury School". Part of the reason why I argue for that section is easy - we may have people who don't look hard enough who may ask "Uhh, where's the feeder patterns section?"
"By the way, some of the changes in re the Borough are not even accurate. For example, you change the address to "Borough of Princeton, NJ 08540". That is not an address. If you address a letter that way it won't get anywhere. Well, the postal service will, if they are kind, probably figure out what you mean, just like when you misspell a street name, but... "
Well, what I do is "Harris County (Houston address), TX 00000" - Now, I don't care a whole lot about that section, so we can leave that as Princeton if you wish.
"And I wish you would please not say things in that way: "I am NOT going to make an exception for PHS." Exception from what rule? A rule you just made up and are trying to get to catch on? Good luck, buddy. Heck, even real Wikipedia rules often have exceptions. "
I will place it in the school manual of style. Exception
"This article isn't about Borough of Princeton High School. There is no such thing. It is Princeton High School and the technical way Princeton is split into two legal municipal governing bodies is no reason to clutter the lead-in. "
The school's name does not matter. The school could easily have been named J. Jonah Jameson High School. I don't care where people think the school is located. Regardless of the school's name, it is in Princeton New Jersey. Heck, Venice High School (Los Angeles) states that the school is really in Mar Vista despite the school's name.
Also, relegating the fact that PHS is in the borough to a small section in the article is hiding where it really is. Just because Westfield High School (Harris County, Texas) has a Houston address doesn't mean it is in Houston. Just because Princeton High School has the name "Princeton" doesn't mean that Princeton, New Jersey is one entity. Like Alansohn said, it's really a group of entities. To me, using "Princeton, New Jersey" primairly, even when the borough is mentioned in a small, obscure paragraph, is lying - there is no "Mayor of Princeton" - No one "Princeton Fire Department" - The borough of Princeton is not a "neighborhood of Princeton" but a separate municipality. The location section was phrased made it sound like the borough of Princeton was a neighborhood of "Princeton". I want to convey the fact that it is a separate legal entity. To do that, one would have to mention it in the very first paragraph. WhisperToMe 21:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll leave out the Borough of Princeton part from the address, in exchange for the Borough of Princeton mention at the top sentence. WhisperToMe 21:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
By the way, the heading technically reads "Location", not address. What if the two had separate categories? (One the "real" location, one the "postal address") WhisperToMe 21:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC) " Elementary schools don't feed directly into high schools, and he missed the charter school, unless that's being counted as an elementary school. D. G. 03:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)"
Actually, elementary schools DO feed into high schools. Indirectly, yes, but they do.
Also, no, the charter school does not feed into the high school per se as it has no defined attendance boundaries or limitations. It CAN have a lot of people who choose to go to PHS, and that can be mentioned. WhisperToMe 22:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
"ANYWAY. To sum up, what you've just done and said is stupid and ridiculous. I'd revert except that that would run afoul of the three-revert-rule, which WTM can easily enforce, being an administrator, as chance would have it. So as usual, the article is "frozen on the wrong version." I'm going to post a request for comments and ask for, if possible, specific points supporting or opposing the WTM edits. D. G. 02:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)"
Actually, I would be breaking the rules if I blocked you after I was in a dispute with you and you broke 3RR. I would have to ask for a 3rd party to do it. WhisperToMe 05:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Princeton
That whole essay was nice... but I found this...
http://www.princetonboro.org/police/ http://www.princetontwp.org/policemain.html
What you saw was the borough police department. Yeah, they seem to have a misleading seal. But, indeed its the police department of the borough.
WhisperToMe 23:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't read it well - I didn't really feel like it at the time.. But you mentioned that the police car said "Princeton" on it - I checked and found that the borough's seal does not mention "borough" but the township's mentions "township." Yeah, I'm aware of the lack of distinction. It's like that in a lot of areas. Cape May can sometimes apply to "Cape May City" but also to "Cape May Point" and some areas of "Lower Township" as well as "West Cape May." WhisperToMe 00:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
By the way, that police department response may as well be justified - There is already a consensus for the format of the Princeton High School article - It's not a good idea to change it after the discussion we had already. WhisperToMe 00:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't just a Texan buddy. May I point you out to...
"IMHO it makes sense for the "legal" location to be in the lead of the article, not in the infobox which gives the address (since the address is Princeton, not the Borough), and to leave it out for the rest of the article. As far as feeder patterns go, I have no particular feeling, but I have to say the section on the choir is thoroughly bloated. Mak (talk) 01:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm in agreement with your in the lead but not with the infobox idea :) WhisperToMe 02:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC) "
User:Makemi came up with a solution, and I agreed with it, and, considering the lack of response, apparently everyone else did too. WhisperToMe 00:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
"He half agreed and half disagreed with you. And that leaves basically an even split. That's still not what I'd call a true good Wikipedian consensus so much as a consensus-by-apathy. I also find this rather oh-so-rich: " I'm in agreement with your in the lead but not with the infobox idea :) WhisperToMe 02:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC) " In other words, you agree where he agrees with you, but not where he doesn't. Typical. D. G. 00:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)"
Actually, I meant that I agreed with his "place it in the lead but not in the infobox" section. In fact, I left it like that. That is the compromise. The fact that he "half agreed" doesn't matter - I took his route, and everyone else is comfortable with that. That is consensus. WhisperToMe 00:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cranbury school
Well, I found the school history stuff I had been asking about - http://www.cranbury.org/history/schools.htm - And yes, such history does exist. WhisperToMe 02:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
http://www.cranburytownship.org/town_hall.html = Schools were closed and consolidated into Cranbury School - just like I said. WhisperToMe 15:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, the "old school" made New Jersey's Historic Site list (http://www.state.nj.us/dep/hpo/1identify/lists/middlesex.pdf) - The article has changed since the last vote. WhisperToMe 15:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
"(diff) (hist) . . Princeton High School (New Jersey); 23:52 . . DG (Talk | contribs | block) (revert: your last two edits are absurd. PHS is not in Middlesex County; it is in Mercer County)"
Doesn't matter - Cranbury is in Middlesex, not Mercer - Even though PHS is in Mercer, it also serves a portion of Middlesex. WhisperToMe 00:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cranbury School
I'm very glad to see your change of heart regarding the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cranbury School. I sincerely hope that you had no issues with my actions in trying to support one of the 4,000 articles on my watchlist, especially when it comes to schools. I sincerly hope that we can all work together as part of WP:NJ to fill in the many missing school districts and high schools in New Jersey and all those stubs that need to be brought up to speed. I thank you for your courage in reconsidering the issue, when it would have been so easy to stick to your guns. Alansohn 20:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
