Talk:Democratic Front of Francophones
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Some added to the article: "In practice, this boils down to massive discrimination of the Flemings in and around Brussels.
I suppose the fact that there is massive discrimination in the periphery by Flemings to French speakers is merely incidental.
Within , they are constantly pressured by FDF and affiliated french-speaking politicians. These favour overloading public services in brussels with unilingual French-speakers. In addition, they constantly try to turn the French-speaking numeric majority into an argument that wouyld justify eroding and abolishing the legally established protection for the Ducth-speaking minority in brussels (Flemings). At the same time however, they insist on maintaining the national, belgian protections and quota for Frech-speaking. These quota, to put things in perspective, result in nearly precisely as much french-speaking public servants for 4,2 million French-speakers, as for the 6 million Flemings, and nearly half as much as for the 1- million Dutchman!
Around Brussels, the FDF militantly defends the privileges for French-speakers who choose to live in Flanders (or whose parents or grandpetents did so). These people living in Flanders should have the right to vote for frendh-speaking candidates from Wallonia and Brussels. At the same time, they refuse even the slightest equivalent rights for Flemings living in Wallonia. Needless to say that such extra-territorial privileges don't exist anywhere else in the European Union, nor in other democratic and multi-ethnic states as Switzerland."
I removed this text from the article to discussion. As a Dutchman I sympathise with the text, since Brussels was originally a Flemish city, but I don't think Wikipedia is the place to have these kinds of discussions. Gangulf 09:34, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I can agree that detailled partisan elaborations are not appropriate in Wikipedia. However, one should not push this so far as to remove all information on one or more key elements of the nature of an organisation o its ideology. E.g. oe cannot honestly descrbe nazism without referring to its racist ideology, nor to the huge bloosched it caused.
- Therefore, I've tried to reformulate things more neutrally, using more objective facts. Feel free to suggest further improvements.--Rudi Dierick 16:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
>>"In practice, this boils down to massive discrimination of >>the Flemings in and around Brussels.
I suppose the fact that French speakers in Flanders - particularly the periphery of Brussels - is entirely coincidental - with billingual staff FORBIDDEN to speak French with French speaking citizens.
>>Within , they are constantly pressured by FDF and affiliated >>french-speaking politicians.
And not by those pathetic fascists, the Vlaams Belang ?
>These favour overloading public services in brussels with >unilingual French-speakers.
Really ? They must have changed the law then
>In addition, they constantly try to turn the French-speaking >numeric majority into an argument that wouyld justify eroding >and abolishing the legally established protection for the >Ducth-speaking minority in brussels (Flemings).
Rubbish - there's no danger of that. Even with only 6% of the capital speaking Dutch as a 1st language, the guarantee is there, unlike with the VB, whose plan for Brussels is a unilingual Dutch speaking capital within 20 years !
>At the same time however, they insist on maintaining the >national, belgian protections and quota for Frech-speaking.
How terrible, eh ? Things the Flemish government agreed !
>These quota, to put things in perspective, result in nearly >precisely as much french-speaking public servants for 4,2 >million French-speakers, as for the 6 million Flemings, and >nearly half as much as for the 1- million Dutchman!
Must be a different Census you're looking at.
>Around Brussels, the FDF militantly defends the privileges >for French-speakers who choose to live in Flanders (or whose >parents or grandpetents did so).
Yes, when Flanders was bilingual, before the Flemish closed all French speaking libraries for instance.
I removed this text from the article to discussion. As a Dutchman I sympathise with the text, since Brussels was originally a Flemish city, but I don't think Wikipedia is the place to have these kinds of discussions. Gangulf 09:34, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I can agree that detailled partisan elaborations are not appropriate in Wikipedia. However, one should not push this so far as to remove all information on one or more key elements of the nature of an organisation o its ideology. E.g. oe cannot honestly descrbe nazism without referring to its racist ideology, nor to the huge bloosched it caused.
- Therefore, I've tried to reformulate things more neutrally, using more objective facts. Feel free to suggest further improvements.--Rudi Dierick 16:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
