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I have removed several biased or offensive articles on this talk page that have no relevance to the improvement of this article. Please refer to the Wikipedia Talk page guidelines before posting to see what is and is not considered acceptable. Thank you and remember to be bold when editing Wikipedia! -- Wizardry Dragon 23:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Objective Tone
I have to remind everyone that this is an encyclopedia not a fan forum. This article should be spoken from a neutral point of view, and right now it reads more like an advertisement. Please fix this, and remember to be bold! Wizardry Dragon 16:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC) Wizardry Dragon 19:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
To second this, it is probably the most horrendously 'fanish' of all Wiki music-star entries and could do with a top-to-bottom overhaul. John the mackem 16:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I've had a read through the article, made some minor changes, but I do not think that it is very 'fanish' at all. Would you mind giving me an example from the article as to why you think it reads like an advertisement? Thecontroller 16:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I have spent several hours editing the "fanish / rubbish" way this page had been written. Have removed irrelevant and unsubstatiated tabloid gossip, including several ridiculous personal comments / rumours about Delta's personal life, Delta's mother and Brian McFadden. Kerrie Sherwood - 29th June 2006
[edit] Edited vocal type
Someone listed Goodrem's vocal type in her vocal profile as "lyric coloratura soprano", which, to be honest, is very optimistic at best. (This , as I understand, describes a voice characterised by an operatic head voice that extends into the whistle register, reminiscent of Mariah Carey; see vocal weight.) Thus, I changed this to "lyric mezzo-soprano", which I think is far more applicable.
In addition, I removed the categorical reference to whistle register singers. According to the whistle register article, this begins after note E6, which is outside the reported range in the vocal profile.
- I don't see a vocal profile anywhere on the page - Matthew238 04:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] DVD success in UK
DVD a huge success in the UK? Can you qualify this, I don't think I've even ever seen it on sale. pomegranate 02:53, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Not sure who added it but it doesn't seem very precise. I'll look into it. Iam 23:39, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Querying reason cited for management split-up...
Have deleted all irrelevant gosssip on this subject. Kerrie Sherwood - 29th June 2006
[edit] Dated material
Her debut album Innocent Eyes was released March 3, 2003, and has been in the charts at or near the top since, and featured five Australian No 1 singles.
I highly doubt that Innocent Eyes is still at or near the top of the charts almost two years after its release. Could this be edited to reflect something which won't date so easily? I don't know enough to do it myself. - Vague | Rant 09:00, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Clean up
I NPOV'd a lot of the article, and added some bits and pieces here and there, but I'm no expert so if you see anything wrong feel free to change it immediately. --plattopus (talk) 18:29, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Highest Note
Where in predictable song does delta go up to an A6. In that song at the end she does a little scream that only goes up to a B5.
[edit] Born to Try release
Amazon has Born to Try with a January 2006 release date. Has it been pushed back? Mike H (Talking is hot) 23:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm removing Born To Try from the Discography because it will not be released in America. Delta has decided to go with a completely new one so please don't add it again. Harry** 12:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but it will have to stay but if you can back that up with sorces then it may be able to be removed. Lillygirl
She talks about it here, about a third of the way down the page: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18860333%5E661,00.html Dan K 19:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)Dan K
Ok. I will removed it. Lillygirl 5:00, 7 May 2006
[edit] Genuine "Delta" American Dollars
Genuine implies that these "Delta" dollars were legitimate, non-counterfeit currency. Could you actually pay with them in the United States? Please verify and state the source.
- Obviously they could not be "genuine" in the same way as the dollars with George Washington's face on them are, printed by the US Treasury. - Matthew238 03:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Split with Philippoussis
Mention is made of comments by Paris Hilton about her split with Mark Philippoussis, yet there is nothing in the page previously about them having broken up, or of Hilton's alleged role in it. - 04:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Whistle Register Singer
Just been reading through the history. But, is there any audio source to verify that Delta can sing in the whistle register? I've never actually heard her sing that high before; and unless there's evidence of her reaching those notes, I do question whether or not Delta should be in the whistle register singers category. I'm not editing the article in regards to this at the moment, but someone should post a reference. - Highconclave 10:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
In the song Predictable and My Big Mistake
[edit] Remix CD
There is no official announcement of a Delta Remix CD on either the sonybmg site or the Delta Goodrem site. In fact I'm finding it difficult to trace the source of this information (and the alleged tracklist). Until there's solid evidence I don't think rumours of new releases should be thrown about the main page.
- I agree. I've searched and haven't been able to find a single source for the claims, not even on her own website.. Further, the so-called album cover looks like a doctored version of a picture on her official site. Sarah Ewart 03:03, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unverifiable album
I've moved this text here until it can be sourced and verified:
Delta Goodrem: Remixed
In a bid to keep Delta’s Aussie fans happy, Sony Bmg Australia has announced that Delta will be releasing a remix CD. Since Delta will not be able to record any new material due to her US priorities Sony Bmg Australia thought it was important to have a CD out for the fans. The CD will feature all her hits and a few other tracks that have never been before released. The CD is said to be remixed by Mark Dynamix the mastermind behind the Australian Ministry of Sounds complications. The album is expected to be released on September 18th, 2006.
Sarah Ewart 03:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool. Tilli 16:33, 29 April 2006
[edit] Planned Cleanup
If nobody objects in the next few days, I propose the following cleanup:
[edit] Cancer
Removal of the following pieces of text unless sources can be found:
Goodrem's management team were criticised for using her illness to attract favourable media coverage. Goodrem later revealed: "I was sitting there trying to get my head around the fact I could die and I was being told that I could somehow use this to my advantage."
There were even rumours that the cancer was a deliberate hoax to gain publicity. Although completely unfounded, these had likely stemmed from the fact that she had continued to make public appearances, and very much remained in the public eye, for several months after the diagnosis. It is worth bearing in mind, however, that Goodrem had already achieved major chart success prior to her illness with four successive number 1 releases to her name.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You can find information on the above in the book "delta" by Kerrie Davies, published by Allen & Unwin in 2005. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
When asked why Goodrem worked so hard to promote the album in spite of her illness, she said, '"Not Me, Not I" is so special to me that I had to film a clip for it, just as I did for the other singles from the album.
The following piece seems like conjecture:
though it was apparent that the treatment was taking its toll on her.
I propose it is removed.
[edit] Out of the Blue
Removal of the part in bold unless a source is supplied:
In October, Goodrem released the debut single from her second album, Mistaken Identity. The song, written with UK writer/producer, Guy Chambers (former cohort of Robbie Williams) was called "Out Of The Blue", and was about Goodrem's new relationship with Mark Philippoussis.
[edit] Mistaken Identity
This section contains a lot of information about rumours without any sources and also seems to contain a few completely seperate pieces of information. I propose the following rewrite:
[edit] Mistaken Identity
Goodrem's second album Mistaken Identity was released on November 7, 2004 and debuted at number 1 in Australia, also charting in the UK, Germany and Switzerland. The album saw Delta once again working with with songwriters such as Cathy Dennis, Gary Barlow and Matthew Gerrard ("Lost Without You") among others including Billy Mann (who has worked with P!nk and Jessica Simpson).
In Australia, "Mistaken Identity" the album's title track, debuted and peaked at number 7 in January 2005. The track was not promoted as Delta was in the UK at the time, promoting "Almost Here" with Brian McFadden. "Mistaken Identity" went Gold, but did not stay in the chart for as long as her previous singles. In the UK, "Almost Here" debuted at number 3, her equal best, although no further singles were released from "Mistaken Identity". "Almost Here" also debuted at number 1 in Australia, going Platinum.
On May 29th, she released her 4th single from "Mistaken Identity" - the up-tempo track, "A Little Too Late". It debuted and peaked at #13, whilst Goodrem was touring the country. A fifth single, the ballad "Be Strong", was released on September 26th, albeit as a digital-only release. The B-Sides featured live performances of "Be Strong" and "Last Night On Earth" from the tour. Delta also became the face of Pepsi cola in Australia, recording a follow up to a campaign that had starred Britney Spears, P!nk, Enrique Iglesias and Beyoncé Knowles [1].
[edit] Bryan McFadden
On the "Mistaken Identity" album, Goodrem also collaborated with Irish singer Brian McFadden, formerly of boyband Westlife on a duet entitled "Almost Here". In early January 2005, newspaper reports suggested the pair were romantically engaged after being photographed together on a beach resort in South Africa, although both denied this.[2]. A week later on January 10th 2005, the Sunday Mirror reported that McFadden had admitted the relationship [3].
The couple underwent weeks of tabloid scrutiny, focusing particularly on the fallout of McFadden's marriage with former Atomic Kitten star Kerry Katona. Press speculation suggested that Goodrem and McFadden had embarked on their affair before McFadden had seperated with Katona. This was denied by both Goodrem [4] and McFadden [5]. A great deal of negative press followed the couple's announcement, including reports of the duo being booed off the stage at a Childline concert in Dublin, Ireland.
The negative press and tabloid rumour continued in the UK, made worse following increase in public affection for Kerry Katona after her victory on TV show I'm a celebrity get me out of here.
Rumours in April 2005 suggested that Bryan McFadden had proposed to Goodrem, although he denied this [6].
[edit] Breaking America
In April 2005, Goodrem's international record contract was extended to the USA, with Columbia Records, an imprint of Sony Music, licensing the USA rights to her music. Reports soon began to circulate that Columbia had issued an ultimatum to Goodrem to drop her manager - mother Lea Goodrem [7]. The rumour was denied by Goodrem and her mother, who stated that Lea was to remain as Delta's manager in Australia, and that Delta had always had plans to get a seperate manager in the US [8].
[edit] TOC
Many sections need to be merged in this article, as 20 Level 2 headings is just awful formatting. This is close to needing a cleanup tag on the article. Harro5 02:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I've made a start, splitting things into categories more. It's not an easy one, as her life and career have been such a mishmash of different things.
[edit] Discography
I think to use the singles for the dicography is somewhat incorrect - it is the albums of an artists, not their singles which are the more relevant examples. See the following examples: Barenaked Ladies or Metallica for a better listing. The BNL listing has the benefit of eyecandy as the existing Delta one, and is a well constructed table of albums. -- Wizardry Dragon 23:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Photo
Before I uploaded a recent picture of Delta showing her now and then it got changed to a picture taken 3 years ago. It isn't relevant now. Harry** 22:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- No offence but i like the old one better... Tilli 16:30, 29 April 2006
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- It was taken 3 years ago so it's not relevant. It doesn't show her now. Harry** 12:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
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- But that picture is ok, but i think the page needs another one of her now because that picture does not look very official, it just looks like you have zoomed in on the Together We Are One cd cover. Tilli 9:40, 30 April 2006
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- I added a nice new pic of Delta for now, couldn't stand the blank nothingness there. Fell free to change it if you wish :). But i'm not sure about all the copyright issues so i might remove the image. Source was here though [9]
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Please stop using unreferenced, uncited, copyrighted pictures for the article. This is against policy, and it is why the keep getting removed. Please use the offical press kit ones from Delta's site, they are the only pictures we are legally allowed to use. -- Wizardry Dragon (Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia) 20:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No point including rumors
I find it revolting that links to tabloids and runours are provided in this piece. This is not the place for such rubbish and I hope it stays deleted now that I have removed it. Tabloids do not speak for Delta and her personal life - any assumption that they are true is born from a delusion.
- Agreed. We should really only cite verifiable sources, except when the tabloid itself is the event. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- P.S. you can sign your posts with ~~~~. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Wait a minute... there is an assumption here that "tabloid = lie". This is not necessarily the case and to be honest, a bit pretentious. In the UK, unlike in the US, the tabloids are incredibly powerful, and in some cases, well-respected newspapers. You say we should only use verifiable sources - like what? Goodrem's website? If so this page becomes nothing more than a marketing tool. The press and media are the source of much of our knowledge on current events - if the info had come from the BBC or CNN would it have been any more verifiable?
- I am left with the strong feeling that the points were removed because of their negative aspect toward Goodrem, and not because of any real issue with the source. An Encyclopedic biography should not be rose-tinted, it should be frank and unbiashed - "Warts n' all". Removing the 'nasty' bits will quickly degenerate this article back into the hopeless fan-site it was in the past, undoing a lot of good work by some hard-working people. John the mackem 07:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, though I see where you are coming from, tabloids have proven themselves to be unreliable. I think the concern here is that we don't republish slander and rumour that the tabloids print. If the tabloids print rumour, we should not source it unless there is a very good reason to do so. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- "tabloids have proven themselves to be unreliable" - show me this proof. This is a rediculous generalisation. As I have already stated, the tabloids in the UK are the main part of the press. The term 'tabloid' does not mean the same as it does in the US. You are stereotyping an entire news medium based on your prejudice. John the mackem 07:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, though I see where you are coming from, tabloids have proven themselves to be unreliable. I think the concern here is that we don't republish slander and rumour that the tabloids print. If the tabloids print rumour, we should not source it unless there is a very good reason to do so. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request
Hey everyone.
I am requesting that someone adds to the Delta Goodrem page about her heavily rumoured duet with Tony Bennett for his Duets album. Reports say the song is called 'If I Ruled The World' and that the release will be out September 26, 2006.
Also, about Delta's recent Japanese campaign. Album out October 11, 2006. A new song of hers titled 'Fluid' will feature in a Japanese film. Information on this can be found in Delta's Diary on her official site, her forum and her Japanese official site
Thanks.
[edit] Very good article, however...
I must say that this article has improved out of sight since I last looked at it. Whoever has worked on it should give themselves a pat on their back. However.... there are a few issues. There is an extreme lack of sources, I would strongly encourage the use of <ref> tags, especially in her biography. This will help reduce any incorrect facts that get into this article. The other issue is: an encyclopedia article should not have a trivia section. If there is significant material in that section, it should be merged into the main body, otherwise it should be removed entirely from the article. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DVD section & Delta By Anabella
should it be deleted? the info in the section are in the main articles of the dvds. its somewhat pointless to have this in this article.
also, some mention of Delta's lingire range should be made.
-Hippi ippi 09:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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