User talk:D.Papuashvili

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If I may say so, welcome to Wikipedia. Your contributions to Tbilisi so far are looking excellent, and they're certainly much-needed - we have all too few people interested in Georgia, and even fewer who know what they're talking about and have access to decent resources on the topic. If I can help with anything, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Ambi 10:09, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

You've got the hang of talk pages just fine. While I'm here, though - you can sign your username by typing four ~~~~ characters. Ambi 10:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, cool. D.Papuashvili 10:56, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

BTW, what exactly do you do at Wikipedia? D.Papuashvili 10:59, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean? Ambi 10:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Nothing, I read your profile yesterday which said something about you being a member on some type of supervisory board or something along those lines. D.Papuashvili 11:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

You've improved that article so much in just a couple of weeks - it really is looking so much better. I've just got a few suggestions though. Would you consider creating History of Tbilisi? There's a lot of history information in the main Tbilisi article, and some of this might be able to be moved to a seperate article; it seems like you've got the knowledge to create what could be an excellent history article.

Secondly, we don't really tend to have "photo gallery" sections in an article; if possible, would you be able to just pick the best ones to use in the article, and then if there's any left over, just add them to Wikimedia Commons (the Wikipedia photo repository). You might be able to find a home for some of these by creating sub-articles, such as for Rustaveli Avenue, Ananuri Fortress, Vake and the Dry Bridge.

Thirdly, I'm not sure if you've heard of it, and I'm not sure if you're interested, but we have a process of selecting featured articles, which are our very best articles, and I think this is well on the way to being one. It'd just be nice to have a little bit more information about things like the city's government, transport, education, economy, sports, media and such. Some of the already-featured articles (like Sarajevo) may be a handy guide to use if you're interested. In any case, I hope you'll keep up the good work. :) Ambi 17:19, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Beck. Thanks for the compliments:). I have not had as much time recently to work on this article but I do have most of the information about Tbilisi which you mentioned above. In any case, I can make the recommended changes, but it might take me a couple of weeks. D.Papuashvili 08:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Image:Elbrus2.jpg 2 Russian point of view in the article about Georgia 3 Statistics 4 Georgian writer 5 Tbilisi 6 Portal:Georgia 7 Tbilisi images 8 Image copyright problem with Image:Elbrus2.jpg 9 New Mainpage on Georgian Wiki 10 Images 11 Invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy 12 Hi 13 Image:Tbilisi View.jpg

[edit] Image:Elbrus2.jpg

Hi. You are the uploader of this image and you claim that the copyright owner allows it to be used for any purpose. I cannot find such a statement pertaining to this photo on the Peakware site. Did you contact the owner? RedWolf 17:07, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi RedWolf. How are you? I have not contacted the owner of that website and therefore marked the picture with a general Wikipedia copyright tag. The reason I marked it with this copyright tag is because the image Image:Elbrus2.jpg is a public library image of that website and I did not find any additional copyright tags on the wikipedia upload site to classify this image with a different copyright. If the abovementioned image does not fit the copyright description which I used, then I'm fine with it being removed from the Caucasus Mountains web page. I just wanted to include an official image of Mt. Elbrus on the Caucasus Mountains Wikipedia page so that people have a better graphical image of what the mountain looks like. Anyway, I live pretty close to Elbrus so I can probably take a picture of the mountain on my own the next time:).

On another note, I'm new to Wikipedia and wanted to ask you a question regarding the image copyrights because I uploaded quite a few of my images recently. The thing is, I also uploaded the Tbilisi city flag on the Tbilisi page with an incorrect image label, which I tried to change to the official city emblem copyright, but was not able to do so. Can someone assist me in converting the image label or do you know how to do this? Also, I wanted to know if Wikipedia has an image copyright which gives the copyright holder the right not to release all of the copyright holder's rights to other users. This would probably be much more acceptable than having to release all of the copyright holder's rights to others (especially when it comes to others modifying a particular image for any purpose). If you could let me know, I would appreciate it very much. D.Papuashvili 08:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Russian point of view in the article about Georgia

Dear Mr. Papuashvili: Please have a look at the article Georgia. On November 18, 2005 User:Ben-Velvel has changed the history of the incorporation of Georgia into Russia. Now it reads as if Georgia wanted to be incorporated, and the Russian tsar was a helpful man. We have the same problem with a Russian-Ukrainian user in the German Wikipedia. He also tries to change history in the old Soviet/new Russian point of view. Not easy to argue because he says the English Wikipedia would support his opinion. Maybe you can correct what Ben-Velvel has written. -- 87.123.98.191 15:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

To whom it may concern: Thank you for your message. I looked at the Georgia page and noticed that the section on the Russian annexation does cover some of the fundamental aspects and facts, but it completely skips or ignores other important historical facts where Russia was responsible for Georgia's annexation. Other important details are also excluded such as the fact that the Communists (Soviets) actually gave up Ajaria to Turkey and that the only reason the region was re-incorporated back into Georgia (after 1921) was because of the bravery of the local Ajarians and not the Communist state. The reason I mentioned this is because my great-grandfather was the military governor of Batumi (former Russian White Army General) who was defending the region when the Soviets gave the territory up.

Anyway, I can add a more detailed account of the history section probably within several days. If I can help in any other way, let me know. D.Papuashvili 16:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed :) I read about the bravery of the Georgian white troops in Batumi who stopped the Turkish invasion, and I know that the Red Army didn't want to fight the invadors in 1921. By the way: I used your image:Rustaveli Ave.jpg for the articles de:Rustaweli-Boulevard and de:Tiflis#Kultur, and the image:Narikala.jpg in an article about de:Narikala -- User:ChrisM, German Wikipedia 09:49, 30 November 2005

No problem:). You can use any one of the images that I uploaded to Wikipedia. I looked at the German articles on Georgia and I have to say that they are significantly better (and richer in content) than the English articles. The German Wikipedia seems to have articles on places and persons that are not even mentioned in the English version of the encyclopedia. I also wanted to ask you, Tbilisi in German is usually called or referenced as "Tiflis". Is this because of the Russian influence or is this the accepted German name for the city? I think most of the Germans in Georgia call the city Tbilisi, but outside of Georgia (for instance in the U.S.), the city is sometimes called Tiflis. On another subject, if you need some pictures of Tbilisi for future use (if you're editing from outside of Georgia), let me know and I can probably take them over the weekends. The first picture of Tbilisi in the German Wikipedia depicts a picture of the old Hotel Iveria when the displaced persons from Abkhazia were still living in the hotel:). This hotel has been demolished for quite some time now:).

D.Papuashvili 07:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Please excuse me that i didn't answer for nearly a fortnight. Thank you for your kind words about the German Wikipedia :) I know that almost everyone in the world says "Tbilisi". But here in Germany the tsarist expression "Tiflis" is common since more than 100 years. In the GDR it became common to say "Tbilisi" due to soviet influence. But after the reunification of our country in 1990 western expressions dominated. Thank you for the kind offer to take photos of Tbilisi and publish them in the German Wikipedia. The articles de:Pantheon (Tiflis), de:Staatliche Universität Tiflis, de:Botanischer Garten Tiflis or de:Bäderviertel (Tiflis) badly need new pictures. If you have a better panorama picture without the Iveria hotel we can change it easily in de:Tiflis. Unfortunately, this sounds like real work. Maybe you should charge it to the Georgian tourist authority ;) -- ChrisM, German Wikipedia 15:47, 16 December 2005

May I offer for compensation: If you are going to write an article about Georgia in the English Wikipedia I would be happy to translate it for the German Wikipedia. Just give me a hint in my user talk. Best wishes -- ChrisM, German Wikipedia 10:25, 17 December 2005

Chris, your offer sounds good to me:). BTW, my name is David for future reference. I took some pictures of Tbilisi today and uploaded them to Wikipedia with a GFDL license (which should make these images available to all who want to use them). The names of the images are: tbilisi_view3.jpg, Tbilisi_Bathhouse1.jpg, Tbilisi_Bathhouse2.jpg, and Tbilisi_Bathhouse3.jpg. I also took the pictures of the Tbilisi pantheon today but I have not uploaded those yet (I will probably do that tomorrow). I'm going to take the remaining pictures in the coming days. I apologize for the amount of cars that you'll see in some of these pictures but there was a lot of traffic today, and I couldn't get clear shots of the buildings:). If you have any questions or trouble with opening up the pictures, let me know. D.Papuashvili 21:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi David, I'd like to wish u a happy New Year too. Don't you worry about the photos of Mtatsminda Pantheon. Take your time to upload them. Unfortunately we can't use the promotional photos of georgiawelcomesusa.com for the German Wikipedia. Here [1] is written that the pictures "may not be used to create commercial products". But exactly this condition must be fulfilled in the German Wikipedia to publish them :( However, I prefer your photos to the professional ones. Thank you very much for the contributions that you have made already. ChrisM, German Wikipedia 11:56 (CET), 1 January 2006

[edit] Statistics

We used to have them a year or two ago, but I just asked a few people, and I believe they were taken offline some ago and haven't returned. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help. Ambi 12:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed that you edited Amtsakhara - is there any chance you might be able to update the article? It's badly out of date, and I haven't been paying such close attention to news in a while, so I'm not sure I'd be able to fix it. Ambi 12:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find new information about Amtsakhara. I just corrected the spelling and the link of "Aitaira." Aitaira ("Agordzineba" in Georgian) is a common name for political parties both in Abkhazia and Ajaria . D.Papuashvili 12:36, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the stats.D.Papuashvili 12:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, thanks for letting me know. The article on Georgian people needs serious revision. I'm currently mostly making minor edits until I find enough time to discuss that issue. I would be happy to cooperate with you on the article, if you wish. Kober 21:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Georgian writer

Hi, I was looking for an administrator from Georgia. Not sure you are one but meseems you fit the role. I noticed that the page Mikho Mosulishvili is indeed an autobiography by User:Mikho Mosulishvili. This user has also made some questionable edits and I very much doubt if this person is significant enough to be included in Wikipedia. Your comments are welcome. MarkBeer 01:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for your comments. I'm not an administrator but I did look at that user's page. It looks like an online CV to me:). As to whether he should be included in Wikipedia, I have never heard of that person or had any contact with him within Wikipedia, so I really do not have an opinion. Hope this helps. D.Papuashvili 13:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi David, davicke statiis momzadeba abhazetis samtavroze... vcdilob movidzio ucxouri ckaroebic... albat male gamovnaxav dros, rom davasrulo. droebit. Kober 15:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kober. me shevitan sharvashidzeebze ramodenime statias an dges an shabats. D.Papuashvili 06:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi David. ori dgis cin davasrule abhazetis samtavroze Principality of Abkhazia mushaoba. moxaruli viknebi tu raime shenishvna an rcheva geknebat. Kober 14:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

David, gmadlobt gamoxmaurebistvis. gegmashi ufro metic mkonda, magram samcukarot mec zalian shezguduli var droshi. am dros ki am enciklopediis gverdebze namdvili omia abxazetis irgvliv. gisurvebt carmatebebs Kober 17:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tbilisi

Gaumarjos David, rogor xar? shenma cvlilebebma tbilisis gverdi imdenad gaaumjobesa, rom mgoni vuaxlovdebit imas rasac wiki "featured article"-s ucodebs. mgoni kargi iqneba tu istoriis seqcias cota shevamoklebt da calke statias shevkmnit "History of Tbilisi". qalaqis oficialuri web-gverdi karga xania "under construction" mdgomareobashia da faqtiurad ufuncqioa. iqneb shegvevso es statia ufro meti administraciis, kulturis, turizmis, samzareulos, night life, etc informaciit. qalaqis logo rogorgac movipove, magram cudi xarisxisaa. mainc avtvirte... am saitze references-bze gartuleba aqvt :)) da ragaceebs mivamateb. droebit, Kober 19:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. tbilisis shesaxeb saubari shegvizlia iqaur talk-gverdze gavagrzelot. albat jobia inglisurad, rom sxvebmac ragac cvlili sheitanon statiaze mushaobashi:)).

Zalian kargi, David. shevecdebi istoriis seqciis summarizacias, da sxva informaciebis moziebas. internetshi vipove qalaqis detaluri ruka/gegma da satelituri foto, orive pulic domain-shia da ukve ganvatavse aq. mindoda metropolitenis sqemis damatebac, magram yvela saavtoro uflebitaa daculi. zalian cudia, rom amxela qalaqs aseti mciri resursebi aqvs internetshi. erevnis metrosac ki aqvs tavisi website :))Kober 10:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Georgia

Howdy, David. I was suggested here to create a wiki portal on Georgia. I posted a proposal at Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals though I'm not exactly sure of how it should be created at this point. If you support the idea, please vote at this entry. Thanks,Kober 18:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

gmadlob david. shegizlia givi damizaxo:). zalian kargi. mindoda rom gagveumjobesebina tbilisis da ajaris gverdebi (zogs aq ajarlebi sxva etnikuri jgupi gonia). zalian kargi iqneboda tu ajaris geograpiaze (rogorc vxvdebi es sheni speroa:)) rames daamatebdi. shemdeg rogorc ki dro mekneba, minda davubrunde qartvel meppebs da daaxloebit aseti saxe Bagrat III of Georgia/George I of Georgia mivce matze statiebs. aba droebit, Kober 05:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tbilisi images

Hi ! I'm Der schöne Tod, an user from the Spanish Wikipedia. I'm the author of many articles related to Georgia on the spanish wiki ^^. You've uploaded a lot of nice pictures of Tbilisi on this wiki but, could you upload them to Commons? I will be very pleased to put them to ilustrate the georgian-related articles on the spanish wiki ^^

Please answer me on my discussion page (.es wiki)

See ya!

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Elbrus2.jpg

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[edit] New Mainpage on Georgian Wiki

Gagimarjos! Could you please take a look at the proposed new mainpage options for Georgian Wikipedia here: ka:ვიკიპედია:მთავარი გვერდის ვარიანტები and post your opinion, suggestions, and your preference. We desperately need more votes and publicity. Would very much appreciate. - Alsandro 14:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey David. Welcome back! Please check Portal:Georgia. Tell me what do you think about it. Take care, --Kober 17:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey Givi. How's it going? Good to hear from you. I'm sorry I wasn't able to edit for a while. I had a lot of things to do and didn't even have the chance to browse the new additions to Wikipedia. The Portal:Georgia looks great! D.Papuashvili 17:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, David. I just thought you might be interested in this discussion Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested move - July 2006. The issue is whether to rename Georgia (country) to Georgia or not. Cheers, --Kober 07:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

დავით: დიდი მადლობა შეფასებისთვის და არჩევანისთვის. - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 18:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Dear David. You may use all photos which i uploaded. :) good job on Caucasus. Thanks. Ldingley 17:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

David, im not sure how Georgians have same genetic makeup as Chechens, Ingush, Circassians and Abkhaz have. As I know, Kartvelians (Ibero-Caucasians) don’t have anything in common with their north Caucasian neighbours (as DNA is concerned). Georgians share genes with Laz, Chans, and as I know Bats/Kist people. Study has revealed that Armenians and Azeris have similar DNA with Caucasians rather than with Turks or Indo-European people (whose language group they belong). Georgians are very much unique in that sense. They don’t have common roots with any family. The talk of having common roots with the Basque (Euskal) or Corsican (Corsa) is beyond reality. I understand the need among Georgians to identify themselves with the other group of people. But they are isolated ethnic group (just like Basque) without traces of common origins with any other groups around or far away. The language group of Ibero-Caucasian ah unparallel uniqueness about its origins, structure and development as high literary language (unlike N Caucasian which is completely undeveloped and can not be considered as richly literate language). However, Georgians do share some origins with Armenians (although both are far from each other ethnically), which is something to be proud of. But Georgians are very much unique nation with completely independent ethnical identity, language and writing. You may find very few nations of earth with some description. Therefore, I would not place them under the notion of common origins with North Caucasians. N Caucasians can’t even come close to what Georgia has achieved. They lack so many essential part of statesmanship which Georgians have engraved in their culture. David i need som einfo about Sameba. Where can I find it? Thanks Ldingley 22:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi luis, thank you for the response. I tried to look up detailed info on the Sameba Cathedral but I'm not even sure if there's any descriptive information on the Internet about this Church. I'll try to perform some more searches about the topic and will let you know if I find anything usefull. Regarding the Georgian roots, I had not heard of the DNA analysis of the Georgian genes:) so I'm really not aware of any facts or conclusions on that subject. Do you have information on the topic or any links on the Internet which I could use? I agree with you completely about the Georgian legacy and its influence on the North Caucasus (and the entire Caucasus Region). You can even see it in the names of some of the North Caucasian regions such as Oseti(a) or Ignusheti(a). I also agree with you about Georgia's uniqueness in the sense that this nation is in a cultural family of its own. I couldn't tell you about the Basque and the Corsican hypothesis because I simply have not seen much credible evidence that supports this theory. What I know though is that some Basque names and words are very close to Georgian words. For instance, the towns of Bedia and Basauri (Biscay/Biscaya Province of the Basque Country) have exact counterparts (namewise) in Georgia as well. The last names of Getsulaya, Anaya or Ibarruri can be compared to the Georgian last names of Pantsulaya, Sanaya and Khubuluri. There are numerous other comparisons, similar to those which I mentioned above but I'm not sure what else the Basques and Georgians have in common, since I'm not an expert on the subject:). I do believe though that Georgia's closest relatives are the people of the North Caucasus (i.e. other Ibero-Caucasian Peoples). According to several books and sources which I read recently, South Caucasian and North Caucasian peoples are linked together by a common base (if not genetical:), at least this common base can be considered to be cultural and social). Even the Georgian Soviet Encyclopedia, which was published in the 1980's and strongly dennounced the national identities of various cultures and ethnic groups, mentions that the North and South Caucasian peoples are related. As an example, even if we compare the Georgian and Cherkez cultures, the dances that the Cherkez have are very similar (if not identical) to many Georgian dances. The "Chokhas" (traditional dresses) that people wear both in Georgia and in the North Caucasus are nearly identical as well. I really don't think that all North Caucasians could've simply adopted the Chokhas from the Georgians over the centuries. Other things to look at are probably the singing styles of these peoples. Anyway, I've written a long enough comment as it is already:), so this is all I can say about the subject for now. Take care, D.Papuashvili 17:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy

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[edit] Hi

Mr Papuashvili, great work on Abkhazia related articles. You should also add things to Ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia and Georgian-Abkhaz conflict. Thanks again. Ldingley 16:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I included the horror of gagra in the article. Im adding more things as i go :) Ldingley 17:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Tbilisi View.jpg

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