Talk:Classical music of the United Kingdom
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[edit] Structuring the material
Percy Scholes categorises English (but not UK) classical music as follows:
[edit] 1000 to 1500
Simon Tunsted, John Dunstable, John Hothby....
[edit] 16th and early 17th centuries
Choral music and keyboard music. Byrd. Viol music.
[edit] Civil war and republican period
Including the beginning of opera in England
[edit] The restoration
Pelham Humfrey. Henry Purcell...
[edit] 18th century
Does Handel qualify?? Arne
[edit] 19th century
Sterndale Bennett. Sullivan. Parry. Stanford (Irish). Mackenzie (Scottish). Elgar
[edit] 20th century
Vaughan Williams. Ethel Smyth. William Wallace. German. Delius. McEwen.Bantock. Holst. Coleridge-Taylor. Ireland. Bridge. Bax Walton. Britten....
20th century: the birth of the classical music performer getting more publicity than the composer... e.g. Nigel Kennedy, Richard Clayderman, Russell Watson, John Williams (the guitarist), Freddie Mercury, Renee and Renata?!?
[edit] 21st century
Composers: John Williams (the composer although technically he started composing in the 20th century), Karl Jenkins
Performers: G4, El Divo, Amici Forever, Bryn Terfel
Is that a reasonable start for a structure?? Bluewave 17:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
- Works for me. And Handel most definitely qualifies, seeing as he wrote the piece of music that is played at the Coronation of every monarch since George III... -- Francs2000 18:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Encyclopedia of Classical Music
Hello. I've vowed to try and get more involved with Collaborations of late and I have here an Encyclopedia of Classical Music (covers all classical, not just UK and is rather a thin tome). I know nothing about the subject, but I bought the book in one of my regular, failing, self-improvement drives. I intend to help out with the article if I can but if it looks like I've forgotten please feel free to kick me up the arse via my talk page. --bodnotbod 10:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- Hi Bod, good to see you about. Another reference is The Incomplete and Utter History of Classical Music by Stephen Fry, which I have, but also I would recommend listening to Classic FM, which I do in the car. The Classic FM website may also glean a few gems. -- Francs2000 12:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Cheers for the welcome. As it turns out my Classical Encyclopedia is not very good for this business: since it's already in encyclopedic format it's the devil's own job not to simply copy the sentences. But as they're already condensed, refactoring them is a touchy decision between very boringly swapping a few words about or just sort of changing words like some thesaurus junkie. Neither course of action (or combination of the two) feels either morally acceptable nor a great deal of fun.
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- They remind me of how I used to do my history homework at school and I feel I ought to have grown a little since then ;o) . So, what I may do is be a bit more studious about it and use Google Print, do some proper reading, and then do some proper writing (if I'm able, I know sod all about Classical music really).
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- Thing is, though, I keep having problems with Google Print. I know about the page view limit - but sometimes I can;t even access the service for one page, I get an error. Anyway, I'll see what I can do as I'm not very happy with the article as it is. It's a bit raggedy. --bodnotbod 21:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Today's work: In trying to assist the article I ended up coming across a timeline of classical music. It has its own mark-up so, as is usual with such things, there's a learning curve. But I've made a start. You can see the current state of it here. The mess at the bottom is where I'd intended to insert the related monarch in a different colour. I need to learn about formatting. I've so far entered most of the musical people mentioned in the article. However, I hadn;t previously noted the names mentioned on this talk page, so I ought to add those (Britten was a name that popped into my head though he's notably missing from the article thus far).
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- I think it will be some time before I finish with this damn thing, and I'll probably rue the day. But eventually it will go in.
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- I also invited two people who had contributed to other classical music articles to come over and try and help out one, I think British and one American. --bodnotbod 01:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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