Talk:Classical music of the United Kingdom

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Contents 1 Structuring the material 1.1 1000 to 1500 1.2 16th and early 17th centuries 1.3 Civil war and republican period 1.4 The restoration 1.5 18th century 1.6 19th century 1.7 20th century 1.8 21st century 2 Encyclopedia of Classical Music

[edit] Structuring the material

Percy Scholes categorises English (but not UK) classical music as follows:

[edit] 1000 to 1500

Simon Tunsted, John Dunstable, John Hothby....

[edit] 16th and early 17th centuries

Choral music and keyboard music. Byrd. Viol music.

[edit] Civil war and republican period

Including the beginning of opera in England

[edit] The restoration

Pelham Humfrey. Henry Purcell...

[edit] 18th century

Does Handel qualify?? Arne

[edit] 19th century

Sterndale Bennett. Sullivan. Parry. Stanford (Irish). Mackenzie (Scottish). Elgar

[edit] 20th century

Vaughan Williams. Ethel Smyth. William Wallace. German. Delius. McEwen.Bantock. Holst. Coleridge-Taylor. Ireland. Bridge. Bax Walton. Britten....

20th century: the birth of the classical music performer getting more publicity than the composer... e.g. Nigel Kennedy, Richard Clayderman, Russell Watson, John Williams (the guitarist), Freddie Mercury, Renee and Renata?!?

[edit] 21st century

Composers: John Williams (the composer although technically he started composing in the 20th century), Karl Jenkins

Performers: G4, El Divo, Amici Forever, Bryn Terfel

Is that a reasonable start for a structure?? Bluewave 17:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Works for me. And Handel most definitely qualifies, seeing as he wrote the piece of music that is played at the Coronation of every monarch since George III... -- Francs2000 18:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedia of Classical Music

Hello. I've vowed to try and get more involved with Collaborations of late and I have here an Encyclopedia of Classical Music (covers all classical, not just UK and is rather a thin tome). I know nothing about the subject, but I bought the book in one of my regular, failing, self-improvement drives. I intend to help out with the article if I can but if it looks like I've forgotten please feel free to kick me up the arse via my talk page. --bodnotbod 10:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Bod, good to see you about. Another reference is The Incomplete and Utter History of Classical Music by Stephen Fry, which I have, but also I would recommend listening to Classic FM, which I do in the car. The Classic FM website may also glean a few gems. -- Francs2000 12:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Cheers for the welcome. As it turns out my Classical Encyclopedia is not very good for this business: since it's already in encyclopedic format it's the devil's own job not to simply copy the sentences. But as they're already condensed, refactoring them is a touchy decision between very boringly swapping a few words about or just sort of changing words like some thesaurus junkie. Neither course of action (or combination of the two) feels either morally acceptable nor a great deal of fun.

They remind me of how I used to do my history homework at school and I feel I ought to have grown a little since then ;o) . So, what I may do is be a bit more studious about it and use Google Print, do some proper reading, and then do some proper writing (if I'm able, I know sod all about Classical music really).

Thing is, though, I keep having problems with Google Print. I know about the page view limit - but sometimes I can;t even access the service for one page, I get an error. Anyway, I'll see what I can do as I'm not very happy with the article as it is. It's a bit raggedy. --bodnotbod 21:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Today's work: In trying to assist the article I ended up coming across a timeline of classical music. It has its own mark-up so, as is usual with such things, there's a learning curve. But I've made a start. You can see the current state of it here. The mess at the bottom is where I'd intended to insert the related monarch in a different colour. I need to learn about formatting. I've so far entered most of the musical people mentioned in the article. However, I hadn;t previously noted the names mentioned on this talk page, so I ought to add those (Britten was a name that popped into my head though he's notably missing from the article thus far).

I think it will be some time before I finish with this damn thing, and I'll probably rue the day. But eventually it will go in.

I also invited two people who had contributed to other classical music articles to come over and try and help out one, I think British and one American. --bodnotbod 01:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)