User talk:Chicaneo

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1 Welcome!
2 helpme
3 Citing sources, etc.
4 Thank you
5 Proyecto
6 Your comment
7 Thanks
8 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elvira Arellano

[edit] Welcome!

Hello, Chicaneo, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Good to see you here editing! If you ever need anything, just drop a note on my talkpage. If I don't respond within a few days, just shoot an email my way. PAZ, --Rockero 09:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] helpme

I'm a newbie in need of help & I can't access the bootcamp.

My question is regarding citing sources for corrections. An article about my deceased uncle is based on two primary sources which have incorrect information in them. The family wishes to get the information corrected in Wp and I don't know whether to cite the source of the particular family member providing the information. Also how is it done? Do I submit an entry to the discussion page? Do I add a footnote?

Thanks.

Chicaneo 12:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi and welcome. I would suggest reading through some key Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines before you make substantial changes to an article. In particular, policies of verifiability and neutral point of view will be relevant in this case. Also understand what a reliable source is. Finally coming to the way you cite, you can go through WP:CITE. I know I have given you a lot of links to read but its better to be armed with knowledge before you actually begin to edit articles. Let me know on your or my talk page if you need further help -- Lost^(talk) 12:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Lost for your information.

Chicaneo 12:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome :) -- Lost^(talk) 12:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citing sources, etc.

Hola, Chicaneo, y Feliz Día de los Muertos.

I'm not sure if you got your question answered yet or not, but the best way to determine what sources are acceptable is to read WP:V, which discusses verifiability. Without getting into the gritty details, it says we editors should prefer texts from respected and mainstream sources when they are available. Oral histories, such as those of your family, would not be verifiable unless they were both recorded and accessible to the general public. For example, if the authors of the Arte Público book compiled oral histories in their research and then that research was archived at the library at the University of Texas, then anyone could go in there and verify that the recording says what we, the editors, say that it says. Any information from that source would also have to be cited as having come from that source. If an oral history was heard at a family reunion, it would not be verifiable. Even if you recorded it and had a copy of it in your desk drawer, it would not be a good source because it would not be accessible.

With family members, the other problem that arises is that of conflict of interest. That is, it is important that information on Wikipedia be presented as objectively as possible in order to adhere to the neutral point of view policy. To this end, there is a general guideline that asks that people not write or edit articles about themselves, their family members, their places of businesses, or organizations with which they are involved.

I realize that many articles on WP neither adequately cite their sources nor corform to the COI guideline, and that is one of the problems around here. The best way to avoid this problem is to have a third party (such as myself) make the desired edits, as you did in the first case. In the case where all published information is inaccurate, the last option (failing writing a book yourself) is to post a comment on the article's talkpage stating who you are and the nature of the inaccuracy. You can see how this is a poor last option, but according to our poilicies and guidelines, it is the only one available.

The other problematic aspects of citing sources are those of 1) conflicting sources and 2) deriving all (or most) information from the same (or the same two) sources. When all information is derived from the same source, I usually just list it at the bottom under "references", and this is an accepted practice. When sources conflict, it is important to cite facts and their sources individually. This is usually handled through an in-article discussion of the sources and the conflicts. For example, "According to the Ramos text, Garcia was ..., while the Ignacio Garcia text says that ..."

I hope this info is at least a bit helpful. I suggest you read through some featured articles to see exemplary cases of writing and citing sources. This is one area where I have some catching up to do and improvements to make on articles I have written or to which I have contributed.--Rockero 00:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for your help. Now I have my question answered.Chicaneo 11:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proyecto

Thanks for the additions to the list, y bienvenida. I hadn't listed papel picado because, while it is used in the Chicano arts, it is not uniquely Chicano. But I suppose it does belong. For articles that are not written yet, they should go under "tasks". Check out the list--there is plenty to work on.

If you want to start working on the Chicano Art article, I recommend that you do so in a sandbox, which will not be at risk for being deleted, and can be easily transferred to the main article space once it is complete or near completion. You can use this one to begin with, and use the same format for any future sandboxes you may need. Of course hit me up with any questions or problems.--Rockero 00:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

OK - I'll move the items I added over to the task list. Thanks for the links. Glad you mentioned it because I have other artists to add. About folk art ... There are several notable Chicana/o papel picado artists out there so yea, it probably should be included. Also, even though it is not uniquely Chicano, I wanted to add "la calavera" to the list as well because they are so prominant in Dia de los Muertos celebrations and because many contemporary Chicano artists are really into them regardless of their primary medium. There is also already a stub I could add onto. Right now the only calavera that is explained is the sugar skull which is typical of traditional Mexican/Mexican American traditions, and not the more contemporary Chicano art forms and interpretations of the calavera. I know I can get some great pics on the site with permission from the artists so no copyright infringements here. What do you think?

There is also the issue of Calaveras - the satirical poems which are published around Dia de los Muertos. Do you think they could be added to the Chicano list? Or perhaps another list? I couldn't find a stub. Chicaneo 10:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The calavera/calaca article should probably be rewritten to say something like, "The term calavera is applied to numerous forms of Mexican and Mexican-American art concerning death, including sugar skulls, poems, and visual representations of skulls and skeletons." Sugar skull should probably get its own article. As far as pics go, the more and the higher quality, the better the article, so upload away! If you need guidance with copyright tags, just ask me or another editor, although if you ask me, it would be better to do so via email (see how long I took to answer this comment?) PAZ, --Rockero 04:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I don't want to be a pest and my sense of time is pretty dysfunctional anyway. If I need something in a hurry, I'll use e-mail, otherwise there's no rush. Plus, there's always plenty of other work to do during "down time". That's what I love about WP -- one's never at a loss for something to create, edit, make contributions to, etc. Muchas gracias, Chicaneo 14:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment

Thank you for your comment. The portal was needed. --JuanMuslim ^1m 00:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

		The Barnstar of Liberty
		For bringing an important civil rights issue to my attention! evrik ^(talk) 20:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel strongly that when an article gets proposed for deletion, that people with some experience or interest in the subject should be asked to look at it - especially with minority issues. --evrik ^(talk) 21:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I really don't deserve this one.Chicaneo 02:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elvira Arellano

You're welcome to change your vote: Just ~~cross out~~ your previous one to make the decision clear to the closer. -- Shunpiker 06:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Chicaneo 07:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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