Talk:Chicago Gaylords
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Recommendations you see fit to make the nomination possible?--Joe parley 15:50, 12 November 2005(UTC)
Thank you No_Parking for the great page cleanup. 138.89.18.73 03:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you 138.89.18.73|138.89.18.73 for the great page cleanup. jbutera 03:18, 5 Febuary 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Who's oldest?
This article says "The Chicago Gaylords is the oldest Chicago street gang." The article at Vice Lords says "The Vice Lords is the oldest and the second-largest street gang in Chicago." While both are People affiliated, neither indicates that it's the same gang as the other and the histories differ. Thus the question is, which is correct? One of them must be older than the other.
There may be other gang articles that make similar claims, as I have not checked them all.
The Vice Lords claim they started in Ill. correction in 1957. We have old Gaylord's (in their late 60s) say they started in the early 1950's. I had the Chicago Public Library do a newspaper article search on the Gaylord's - both as a social club and a street gang, and they found an article about a gang fight between the Gaylord's and the Outlaws dated 1954. I have not found any articles that are that old about the Vice Lords. I have also read where the Vice Lords claim to be the oldest Black gang in Chicago - and that makes perfect sense. Here is a link pertaining to the age of the Gaylord's by Gang Research (try paragraph 16.): http://gangresearch.net/ChicagoGangs/latinkings/lkhistory.html68.162.62.87 05:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC) jbutera
- Chicago Gaylords claim to be Chicagos oldest WHITE street gang. Who knows if they've been around longer than the Vice Lords, but the Lords might be the oldest Black street gang. Apples and oranges. Greg 13:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Who knows if they've been around longer than the Vice Lords? That's pretty obvious. The VL started in St. Charles in 1957, and there were sets of Gaylords up and running before then. As far as the VL being the oldest Black club, no, not by a long shot. The Stompers, the Clovers lots of older clubs, but documenting it? Good luck.Sieg 13:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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- To their credit they held their neighborhoods [...]
To their credit? How can you give a criminal gang any credit for 'holding' a neighbourhood? *Sigh
Sigh ! It is part of history! Sorry if you do not agree with gang history - but gangs were a big part of Chicago history - like it or not. jbutera
To their credit...
First of all, the Gaylords were NEVER a criminal gang in the sense that gangs are today. They weren't drug-dealers, or extortionists, or anything of the kind. They were strictly an old-line turf club, concerned with protecting their parents homes and their neighborhoods from vandalism and worse being done by members of gangs that were, demonstrably, criminal. No one wants an organized gang dealing drug in the park at the end of the block. THAT'S what the Gaylords were fighting. It's easy in retrospect to say that they were terrible people out being criminals, but the reality is that most of the members were just normal, working class kids trying to survive the best way they could.Sieg 13:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
