Talk:Cha-cha-cha (dance)
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[edit] Dance
Cha-cha dance is always to cha-cha music, also, where are the citations for those specific songs being cha-cha. I listended to them and they do not seem to be cha-cha songs. the 3rd sextion is about the music. Unlike salsa and slasa (dance), there is not enoguh information to differenciate the two. Mishy dishy 22:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
I think there is no reason to have both Cha-cha-cha and Cha-cha-cha (dance) articles. They are practically about the same topic, have substantial overlap in meaning and text, and they do not have enough information separately to warrant two separate pages. I will merge them in a few days unless there is a good reason otherwise. --Yurik 4 July 2005 19:52 (UTC)
- And the reason is good: These are different things. It is ridiculous to claim that music and dance are the same things. And I fail to see any overlap of the contents, by the way. I have an impression that you have no slightest idea on the subject. Removing the merge notice and suggesting to do drastic article changes only in the areas of some minimal expertise. mikka (t) 5 July 2005 00:54 (UTC)
Actually, people often dance to music. And for what it's worth, the two articles do overlap dramatically in their opening paragraphs, to the point where I had to double-check to make sure they weren't duplicates. I suggest a merge. --Quuxplusone 03:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I also have "no slightest idea on the subject", but it seems to me these two could be merged. It's worth noting that this article was originally part of Cha-cha-cha and was cut out to this page by Mikka on Feb 2005. Clearly Mikka feels strongly about this idea. --Bookandcoffee 17:14, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oh, I do. And I know the difference. I only don't have time to expand the dance article up to what it deserves, wasting my time on various obscure and useless topics like zand, zandik, and People's Artist... mikka (t) 02:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Mikka. These two articles should not be merged, for basically the same reason that salsa music and salsa (dance) are different articles. The cha-cha-cha music article should cover the music, while the dance article covers the dance steps. —Lowellian (reply) 12:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disputed information and cleanup
I don't take a stance in the merge/preserve issue, but the overlaps should be sorted out. And there are more issues with this article:
The issue of dancing cha-cha-cha on 1-2-cha-cha-cha or 2-3-cha-cha-cha is disputed, and the article doesn't mention any sources. According to my sources, there is only one rhythmic pattern which correctly fits in a cha-cha-cha song, the one where the cha-cha-cha falls on the opening tones of the tumbao, namely beats 4, 4& and 1. (Source: martin Blais: "Latin Dance Study Guide", 2004, http://furius.ca/salsa-notes). There are of course people dancing otherwise as well, but it should be mentioned that this is musically incorrect. Cha-cha-cha is till very closely related to its cuban origins, and should be danced accordingly.
Furthermore, the artcile starts with some quotes, are these relevant? There should be more information in the beginning about the dance itself, or why not write that there is a dispute over how it should be danced? Comparing the articles cha-cha-cha and cha-cha-cha (dance), there seems to be an inconsistency about the history.
Also, some of the music in the examples is really only pop, there should be more cuban examples to provide an unbiased sample. And having five versions of "Sway" is redundant.
Finally, we don't need to have the International latin Cha-Cha Syllabus written out here, at least not without providing an explanation as to what it is. Some might even see this as an commercial, it's not encyclopaedia-material.62.142.46.22 00:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- It seems you are not familiar with non-cuban cha-chas:
- "1-2-cha-cha-cha" issue: You are confusing latin chacha with other kinds. Not only latin cha-cha exist, and not every tune has (or implies) tumbao. There are even several songs named "One Two Cha Cha Cha" (or contain these words). I especially hate "Everybody likes to cha cha cha"
- "Some qoutes": these are simply trolling; deleted.
- "International Latin" is not commercial. It is universally recognized ballroom technique.
[edit] Cha-cha-cha dance music
The following table is moved out of article. Please provide references that prove that these songs (a) exist at all and (b) cha-cha-chable. `'mikka (t) 22:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- Arranged alphabetically in order of artists last name or band name.
| Artist | Title | Album | Year |
|---|---|---|---|
| Antique | When the Rhythm Starts to Play | ||
| Black Eyed Peas | Where's the Love | ||
| Michael Bublé | Sway | 2003 | |
| Cribbins, Bernard | Right Said Fred | 1962 | |
| Arielle Dombasle | Quien Sera (Sway) | 2004 | |
| Idol, Billy | White Wedding | 1982 | |
| Julio Iglesias | Gozar La Vida | ||
| Michael Jackson | Billie Jean | Thriller | 1982 |
| Tom Jones | Sex Bomb | ||
| Julie London | Sway | ||
| Dean Martin | Sway | 1954 | |
| George Michael | Amazing | ||
| Wilson Pickett | Mustang Sally | ||
| Pink | Get The Party Started (party mix) | M!ssundaztood | 2001 |
| Pussycat Dolls | Sway | 2004 | |
| Bobby Rydell | Sway | 1960 | |
| Santana | Corazon Espinado | Supernatural | 1999 |
| Santana feat. Rob Thomas | Smooth | Supernatural | 1999 |
| Santana feat. Michelle Branch | The Game of Love | Shaman | 2002 |
| Smash Mouth | Walkin' On the Sun | Astro Lounge | |
| Shania Twain | That Don't Impress Me Much | Come On Over | 1997 |
In fact, I don't see why this table must be here at all. There are THOUSANDS of cuban cha-chas, thousands of ballroom arrangements and thousands 4/4 tunes that "feel" like cha-cha. A common wikipedia rule is only notable things must generally be mentioned. Wikipedia is not a musical catalog. `'mikka (t) 22:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
