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I believe all existing comments have been handled. Therefore I have removed the cleanup-date tag. If anyone has a way to improve the article, please do so. --kitplane01

Contents 1 Old Edits 2 Merge with Cessna 152? 3 Possible trivia 4 Bullshit! 5 Cessna T-51: Myth or reality?

[edit] Old Edits

"More pilots have flown Cessna 150/152s than any other single model of airplane." Boy, I don't think so: more Cessna 170/172's have been sold, and they're still going strong - they're bound to trump the 150/2 series. - DavidWBrooks 19:50, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC) This comment has been removed from the article.

106 kts Cruise Speed?! Whow! I wanna buy that 150 with the O200 Motor... I always calculate with 85 / 75 kts. 134.93.161.18 12:48, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) That's what the pilot's operating manual says. It's not what my C-150 gets, bit that's the book figure.

Some times the costs of changing the engine to allow mogas out-weigh the benift. It is also illegal to burn mogas in some countries even with a permit. I'll leave the mogas comment but it is disturbing that people in the aviation field advertising mogas can be used in aircraft even when modified. Thats just my two-cents.--capt. erwii 05:20, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

this is not a POH, nor are we here to declare what people should or should not do - the fact of the matter is, that thousands of GA aircraft in the US and elsewhere have autogas STCs. i've seen both sides argued, mostly inconclusively, and whether it is illegal or not is irrelevant in the context of a brief description of the aircraft.

personally, I'm not sure why the autogas comment was there to begin with, as it's not something unique to the 150/152. it certainly doesn't deserve any more text in the article than it already has. -eric 06:36, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Famous Cessna 150s (just for the record): one flown by Frank Corder into the White House on Sept 11, 1994 (suicide flight). another caused evacuation of the U.S. Capitol and White House by flying within 3 miles of the White House on May 11, 2005 (accidental intrusion into restricted airspace).

• I do not believe the above information is encyclopedic enough for inclusion 24.9.10.235 04:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Cessna 152?

I'm not going to flag it but I want to know what popular opinion to this suggestion would be. Right now as it stands both articles are sparse and rather repetitive, and many if not most aviation resources lump them together anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.9.10.235 (talk • contribs) 11 February 2006.

• I concur with this suggestion. Engineer Bob 07:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Minor corrections, I think... following are correct for 1968 (150H) model.

1. C-150 models, at least in 1968, were the Standard, Trainer (dual controls), and Commuter.
2. The 162 mph 'top speed' is the redline or never-exceed speed. Max level speed is published at 122 mph.
3. Cruise speed, per aircraft manual, is about 112 mph depending on altitude.
4. Aerobat is distinguishable by small tinted plexiglas panels in the cabin roof.
5. Stall speed given in article is at full, 40 degrees, flaps. Clean stall is 55 mph.
6. The Lycoming engine in the 152 has a TBO of, I think, 2000 hours. The 150's Continental is TBO 1800 hours. I respectfully disagree that this makes a big difference in operating cost.
7. Aircraft manual publishes service ceiling as 12,650 feet.

68.102.38.24 04:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC) Pete Levy, Wichita, KS

[edit] Possible trivia

I actually looked this up after reading something about Michel Lotito. Would it be benificial to indicate that this plane has been eaten? :)--24.231.16.109 01:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bullshit!

Come-on all you guys who know airplanes only by spotting them! Be realistic, for god's sake! I've flown this piece of shit (Designed to transport old ladys from point A to point B) since 1973 (Much to my disgust). NO 150 can ever be brought to cruise at 123 mph. 97-103 mph (Depending on haw bad it has been treated) is something of the REAL world 81.246.174.191 01:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You are confusing TAS with IAS. The 150 has an optimal POH airspeed of 122 mph TAS at 6500 feet. Most will come close to that if you take them that high, even though the IAS at that altitude is considerably lower. Ahunt 02:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

At 2400 RPM running two legs in opposite directions perpendicular to the posted winds aloft at 3,000 MSL and measuring speed as time to two known points and averaging the result I've flown my C 150F at an average of 112 mph. If you dislike the C 150 so much, why have you flown them for 23 years?

This actually raises the valid question of whether we should differentiate between IAS and TAS on our cruise/max speed numbers; I don't have an answer. Also, 2006-1973=33 years! That's a long time to fly an airplane you think is a 'piece of shit'. ericg ✈ 23:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cessna T-51: Myth or reality?

I noticed that someone has removed the separate Cessna T-51 article and made that a redirect, and so I removed the reference to it as a "variant with a separate article" in the Infobox. The question which remains—related to the "US Military Service" section—is whether the T-51 designation is real, which is to say, official. The U. S. Air Force Academy's site's Fact Sheet on Airmanship (Fact Sheet) refers to Cessna T-41s as T-41s, mentioning separately that the academy operates "twelve Cessna 172s," but the Fact Sheet refers to the 150-horsepower 150s as "150-horsepower Cessna 150 aircraft."

That, though, is not the end. An article from the Academy Spirit, the school newspaper, refers to an individual as an "IP for the T-41 and T-51." (Academy Spirit Article) A schedule for the 2006 Parents' Weekend advertises the display of aircraft, including the "Blanik TG-10B, Blanik TG-10C advanced aerobatic glider, the Schempp-Hirth TG-15B, Discus 2b, T-41, T-51, and the DA-20." (Schedule)

Without more information, it looks as if "T-51" may be a kind of local designation or nickname. Does anyone have anything decisive and verifiable on this? It would be really nice to resolve this accurately in the article. —SkipperPilot 23:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

To make matters even more murky Global Security says "Wikipedia also claims that there is a Cessna T-51, but they fail to describe it and no one else has ever heard of such a thing." Ahunt 00:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Of further interest the USAF website has fact sheets on all their current aircraft but none on a T-51. The only mention of a T-51 is found on http://www.af.mil/bios/bio_print.asp?bioID=6566&page=1 where it refers to it as a flight simulator. I do remember a civil Cessna 150 owned by a private individual many years ago being painted up in USAF T-41 style markings and labelled as a "T-51". It could be the source of a mythological aircraft. Ahunt 01:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Found it. This should multiply the confusion greatly. A photo of the above mentioned civil aircraft, N3577J, in USAF style markings can be found at [1]. To make matters worse it says "T-50" on the nose of the plane, something the owner probably made up. This photo is on the Cessna 150-152 Club website Global Security has a whole bunch of information on the T-50, but it is a Korean superonic jet trainer and no relationship to the Cessna 150. Ahunt 11:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Good work. Now that you bring up that picture, I think I've seen elsewhere pictures of either that "T-50" plane or another painted like it. It seems to be definitely just the owner's (or owners') affectation. Finding that information about the T-51 simulator, and no other information on a T-51 designation, is useful. More than ever I now think that the use of "T-51" for the Air Force Academy's 150's must be a sort of colloquialism. (And thus the problem, since we're short an official source on this apparently unofficial designation.) Any thoughts on how to reflect this in the article? —SkipperPilot 17:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words, I enjoyed the sleuthing. That one "mock-USAF" C-150 has probably been photographed many times - I have seen its photo elsewhere in books and magazines. Affectation is probably a good term for it! Although I shouldn't talk as this is my own plane!! Perhaps "tribute" would be a more diplomatic word for it! Regardless we have a problem: from the sources on the T-51 you cite above it is possible that they all refer to the simulator including the parents' weekend tours and the IP - all could be simulator references. The cadets could refer to the C-150s at USAFA as "T-51s" after the simulators just to be ironic. So that leaves us with no citable source that the designation describes the academy Cessna 150s. I looked carefully through the USAF website to find the units that fly at the academy and there is no information there on their types operated. Given all that I think referring to the T-51 in the Wikipedia C-150 article is at best speculative. I vote that we cut all references to the designation until a source can be found. Naturally the USAFA's use of the Cessna 150s can remain as they do operate the aircraft, we just can't be sure that they are called T-51s. Perhaps a phone call to the academy would solve the mystery. Of course that would be "original research"!! Ahunt 22:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I chose poorly in using the term "affectation"; you're right that "tribute" is more diplomatic. (And, regarding affectation, I'm not one to talk anyway, as I own a flightsuit and helmet!) Your assessment is right: We have no reliable source for the T-51 as anything but a simulator; certainly not as a 150. You're also right about the phone call; so tempting, but I guess we'll just have to wait until something definitive comes up on one of the websites. I'll make a tentative edit, subject (of course) to anyone's improvement. Very nice airplane, by the way. —SkipperPilot 16:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - it is fun to fly and faster than a 150, which I used to own (1984-90). Your edit looks really good - I concur! Ahunt 21:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)