Talk:Calendar of Saints (Lutheran)

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[edit] LBW or TLH/LSB verbage?

The change to the Festival on 2 Feb is to reflect the usage of the LBW which does not list the purification of Mary as being the primary emphasis. While I realize and understand that the SBH and LSB add her purification to the title, the LBW is more recognizable to a wider number of North American Lutherans and reflects something of a theological consensus between ELCA predecessor bodies and the LCMS since the latter did not pull from the LBW project until immediately before publication (if you look, you will see that they are even still listed as one of the publishers in the title page). Thus, as I stated, the LBW represents something of a broad consensus amongst North American Lutherans in terms of its production that even the TLH and the SBH did not enjoy, and is certainly not enjoyed by either hymnal project by the ELCA or the LCMS.

If it is felt for whatever reason that the verbiage of the LSB be given priority (exclusive or otherwise), I would suggest that an LCMS-specific calendar be written since my vision for the current page is that it reflect both the presumed consensus of the LBW and the nomenclature/format most easily recognizable to North American Lutherans. As it stands, I fail to see why the LBW should not be used since it represents the work of the LCMS/ELCA predecessors in cooperation whereas the new LSB is the exclusive work of the LCMS without consideration for usage in other North American Lutheran bodies (the same would hold true for the new ELW). Therefore, aside from updating the body of the article to bring the dates for specific commemorations/festivals into conformity with the new prayerbooks (and to properly designate their ranks where applicable changes have been made from the LBW), I see no specific reason to give either the ELW or the LSB preferential treatment in terms of nomenclature or verbiage. In short, the LBW represents the closest thing to a consensus on liturgical matters that North American Lutherans have ever had and since the article is designed to appeal to the widest variety of North American Lutherans possible, it should be preferred over either new or previous hymnal/prayerbook.

• You have a point there, but for March 19, it is mentioned in the article that "Saint" preceding a name is reserved for the Biblical sence, and Saint Joseph, is mentioned in the Bible and is a Biblical saint, so I do not know why you cannot put St. Joseph instead of Joseph.

• • In part, it is based on the LBW usage. If you'll note, Mary, Martha, and Lazarus are not listed as being "saint" despite the fact that they are all biblical personages. Insofar as the appendation of saint goes, while it is reserved for those mentioned in the Bible (and specifically in the NT), it is extended to those persons rather inconsistently, whether it be in the LSB, ELW, or the LBW (or SBH and TLH, for that matter). Despite the permissively of the use of the term in the Augustana and more frequent usage in pre-Pietistic Lutheranism, North American Lutherans have always been particularly uncomfortable with its use in the titular sense for some reason which is beyond me (they're also uncomfortable with the use of the word priest, despite the fact that it is used by the Augustana and several European Churches). In my personal view, it would be highly satisfactory to use titulate as saint every personage on the calendar who culted as such prior to or since the Reformation, but this is not the way that either the ELCA or the LCMS have chosen to do things. Since there is a conflict between the LSB and ELW on the issue, here again, it is better to use the LBW as the primary arbiter of the situation.