Talk:Bisaya (Borneo)
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I deleted this:
"though the language does not bear many similarities"
I speak Cebuano, a Visayan language in the Philippines. When I took a look at the Our Father in Bornean Bisaya, I recognized many words in it.--Nino Gonzales 08:3--4, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Having checked out a Cebuano dictionary at http://www.everlastinglove.com/cebuano.htm with a native Bisaya (Borneo) speaker (My wife) I can state that if this is the language you mean then it bears hardly any similarities but has more in common with Bahasa Malaysia than Bisaya. I have edited again to reflect this --B timmins 07:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's very interesting. May I ask if there is also a dictionary of Bisaya (Borneo)? I'm really interested in this:language. Here is the website I mentioned above: http://www.christusrex.org/www1/pater/JPN-bisaya.html
Do they have a correct translation of the Our Father?
- Amahan namu nga itotat ca sa langit:
- Ipapagdayet an imong ngalan:
- Moanhi canamun an imong pagcahadi:
- Tumanun an imong buot dinhi sa yuta,
- maingun sa langit.
- Ihatag mo damun an canun namun sa matagarlao:
- Ug pauadun mo cami san mga-sala namu,
- maingun ginuara namun,
- san mga-nacasala damun:
- Ngan diri imo tugotan cami maholog sa manga-panulai:
- sa amun manga-caauai.
- Apan bauiun mo cami sa manga-maraut ngatanan.
Here is the Cebuano version:[1]
- Amahan namo, nga anaa sa mga langit,
- pagadaygon ang imong Ngalan,
- moabot kanamo ang imong gingharian,
- matuman ang imong pagbuot
- dinhi sa yuta maingon sa langit.
- Ang kalan-on namo sa matag adlaw
- ihatag kanamo karong adlawa.
- Ug pasayloa kami sa among mga sala,
- ingon nga nagapasaylo kami
- sa mga nakasala kanamo.
- Ug ayaw itugot nga mahulog kami sa panulay
- hinonoa luwasa kami sa dautan.
- Kay imo man ang gingharaian,
- ug ang gahumug ang himaya,
- hangtod sa kahangturan. Amen.
Here's the Ilongo version[2] (Ilongo is a Bisaya language as well)
- Amay namon, nga yara ka sa mga langit,
- pa gdayawon ang imo ñgalan,
- umabut sa amon ang imo ginhari-an,
- matuman ang imong buut
- diri sa duta siling sang sa lañgit.
- Panhatagan mo kami nian sing kan-on namon sa matagadlaw,
- kag patawaron mo ang mga utang namon
- siling ñga ginapatawad namon ang mga nakautang sa amon,
- kag dili mo kami ipadaug sa mga panulay,
- hinonoo luwason mo kami sa kalaut.
- Amen!
Btw, you might want to read this: WP:NOR... I'm probably also guilty of this... hehe... also, would you know where to get a history of the Bisaya of Borneo? I think the people of the Philippines who speak Visayan languages (Waray, Cebuano, Ilongo, Aklanon, Asi, Butuanon, Surigaonon, Tausug, etc) and the Bisaya of Borneo came from the same stock (hey, maybe we are 100th degree cousins?) --Nino Gonzales 00:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've checked and that translation is not Bisaya (Borneo). As you say, it is very similar to Bisayan so it must be some confused researcher. Some Bisaya have written to Christus Rex to point this out, but nothing has happened. To see some real Bisaya, check out the forum at http://www.voy.com/72940/ but beware as there is Malay and English there also. B timmins 09:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
