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another external link from the Catholic encyclopedia

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02325a.htm

I rewrote the material on the oriental basilica. Unfortunately I don't have the book I originally read this in. I do remember that the term had been coined by the time Josef Strzygowski (who used a different term but I don't remember what) was writing. That would date it to the early 20th or late 19th century. A google search turned up several pages using "oriental basilica" to describe basilicas with no clerestory, even outside the context of Armenia and Georgia. One web page even used the term to describe a church in Macedonia that lacked a clerestory. Since it seems to be in general use, I think it's safe to use the term without putting an explanation of its origins into the article. Isomorphic 17:48, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Oriental" in this sense has a quaint ring to it now, which dated the term, to my ear. I wish we had Strzygowski's term for a sub-section title. --Wetman 22:21, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If you're sufficiently interested, you can find the term along with some historiography in Christina Maranci's book Medieval Armenian Architecture: Constructions of Race and Nation. However, my impression was that Strzygowki's terminology hasn't gained general acceptance, and it would have been a German word anyway. This is a relatively specialized subject, and I'm not sure there is a single accepted term in English.

Most of the literature just calls them basilicas, distinguishing them from other church types in Armenia and Georgia, not from basilicas elsewhere. You could call them "Eastern basilicas", which would modernize the sound a bit, but I've never actually seen that term. Isomorphic 19:42, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Basiilica Bell. This bell is from the Saint Louis Cathedral in Saint Louis, Missouri. All Basilicas either have an actual bell similar to this or a painted version of the bell that is normally used in Papal processions.

This image isn't germane to the entry, and the caption is misleading. Even parish churches have such bells.

That particular bell, though, is one of the distinct privileges of a minor basilica. Every minor basilica has one. The other privliege is the presence of the ombrellino in the church. An image like that would be useful, but maybe a more generic image? Pmadrid 12:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

A basilica floorplan would be more useful than snapshots of everybody's favorite local minor basilica. They do multiply like John-Paul saints.--Wetman 06:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Usage of "Pope as Bishop of Rome"

The Lateran Basilica is the cathedral of the Pope. He has no other cathedral. To say that the Lateran is his cathedral "as Bishop of Rome" is misleading, as it implies that he has another cathedral or principal church for the exercise of some other distinction. It is also redundant, as "Pope" is simply a nickname for "Bishop of Rome", which is his formal title and from which all his other titles are derived. Pmadrid 17:52, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] World's Largest Church

Basilica of Our Lady of Peace of Yamoussoukro, Yamoussoukro, Ivory Cost. Constructed in 1989 and has seating for 18,000 parishioners. [1] Rklawton 03:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patriarchal basilicas

The vatican only mentions the four major basilicas as patriarchal. See vatican homepage --83.248.105.91 04:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

There are only four major basilicas (our article previously said five) which are all patriarchal as well, but a page of 'usefull information' can hardly be meant as a full listing, and probably limits itself to Rome (it's the Vatican site, not Universal or Italian church). Fastifex 10:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking of St Lawrence outside the Walls, in Rome. --83.248.107.64 20:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

More proof that St Lawrence outside the Walls is not a patriarchal basilica. Note that the link is to the vatican. [2] --83.248.105.167 07:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

But see the link here: [3]. Scroll down aways. Rwflammang 21:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parish Church?

The article says that St. Peter's is a parish church. I think this is incorrect. The Parish church of Vatican City is St. Anne's. St. Peter's is a shrine, not a parish church. Can someone give me a reference to St. Peter's as a parish?

St. Anne's is the Vatican parish. See the link here: [4]. Rwflammang 13:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)