User talk:Balloonman

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Contents 1 David coderre 2 Your concerns about articles in progress 3 Military brat 4 Deletion of a link 5 Speedy Deletion 6 Military brat 7 Article you might want to look at

[edit] David coderre

A tag has been placed on David coderre, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable. If you can indicate why David coderre is really notable, you can contest the tagging. To do this, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and leave a note on Talk:David coderre, explaining how David coderre is notable. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

Please read the criteria for speedy deletion (specifically, articles #7) and our general biography criteria. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.Seraphimblade 04:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you are quick. I barely had time to save the first draft, view the page to make sure that I had my links working, and check it again before you added the speedy deletion note, which I am disputing. David Coderre is the major figure in this emerging field of Audit work---as is notable based upon the numerous articles and books he has written.

NOTE: The following response is in reference to a comment on Seraphimblade's page Balloonman 20:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

While I thank you for your advice, I am unsure as to your complaint. I in fact am the one who withdrew the speedy delete nom on David Coderre, after seeing that I was mistaken and he was likely to meet notability. I don't go googling for notability-establishing it is in my opinion the job of the page's author, at least if the person is not clearly and obviously notable (an Einstein or a Roosevelt). However, I will take your advice under consideration and thank you for providing it.

I do place a lot of speedy tags, as I was reviewing new articles. Most of these are on "John is the greatest person in the world" or "Jane is a bitch" type articles, and I'm not a bit sorry to see those go! Of course, some of the nominations might be more controversial, but that's why we have administrative review-if the administrator thinks there's any chance it can stay, he/she should not and generally will not speedy. Seraphimblade 20:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I've taken a look at your edits/contributions and you have a knack for adding speedy within minutes of a new article being posted. Looking at the people who make a lot of these posts, they are often newbies or inexperienced users (such as myself) who are not familiar with utilizing Sandboxes.

Let me share my reflections on your readiness to place speedy deletion tags on a post within minutes of an articles creation.

As an inexperienced wiki, I attempted to create an article on David Coderre. I saved the article in a rough draft form to view the page. I notice that the links/published works on the page are wrong. I edit the page, and view it again. This takes me 3 minutes. During that 3 minute period, you have already tagged the page for Speedy Deletion and placed a tag on my user page.

As I am inexperienced, this put a sour taste in my mouth. Suddenly, I'm trying to figure out how to save the article I'm working on rather than improving it and finishing it---because you've marked it for Speedy quicker than I can edit it.

What I'd like to see is that if an article has been completed in the last 10-15 minutes rather than placing a speedy deletion on the page, put a normal 5 day deletion tag on the page. That way if the user is writing a new article in the 'live' article realm it doesn't get deleted before they finish. It also alerts the user that unless the article is improved, that it will be deleted. This is particularly true with articles that make ANY reference to notability/publications/etc. My original post included notes about several books and a request to write the GTAG on Continuous Monitoring.

If the article has sat there for 10-15 minutes, it probably isn't a person writing an article in the live setting or the newbie has finished the article. (This does change if the person simply is writing "X is the greatest/bitch," but give us newbies a chance.)Balloonman 05:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, I understand your concern a lot better now. I will take that under consideration and take some time before placing the tag on questionable articles. (Of course, "John is the greatest guy in the world" still gets speedied ASAP.) :) Thank you for your feedback. Seraphimblade 08:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem... I'm just glad things worked out... on an unrelated note, there is a problem with "notability." A lot of people are notable, without being "the greatest," "most influencial," etc... but I notice that on Wikipedia, almost everybody is the "Most" or the "Greatest" something. It kind of devalues Wikipedia that everybody gets such a label to be "notable."Balloonman 18:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your concerns about articles in progress

I saw your comment in the AfD for Military brats and I agree, it is a problem that some people are quick to leap to deletion, and I find it annoying myself.

Anyway, there are some occasional solutions, though they depend on a given editor recognizing them and refraining from action.

For example, you can add a stub-template to an article Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types or you can add a template like some found here Wikipedia:Template_messages/Maintenance or you can add a message to the talk page. Mister.Manticore 16:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Mister.Manticore. I liked the "Underconstruction" tag as I don't mind people helping out with the update. I also appreciate your assistance in defending the article. I think the Dark jumped the gun in nominating this as an AfD, but oh well. It looks as if it will easily survive it. His comment about "Brat" being an opinion makes be believe that he thought the term was a subjective term and that the list was thus slanderous.Balloonman 17:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military brat

Further to your comments on my talk page, I did not remove any tags on the above noted pages Afd, I simply applied a category to the ongoing discussion. The discussion is still open and will be closed by an admin once a concensus has been reached about deletion or not. The AfD notice should remain on the article until it has been closed. As a final note, it is customary when placing a note on a talk or discussion page, to end your comments with four tildies (~~~~) to sign and date your note. If there are any other questions please let me know on my talk page.--Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr.) 02:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I usually try to remember to put the (~~~~)... must have forgotten... I'm still somewhat new....Balloonman 04:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of a link

Hello, Balloonman. I live in China & only just got access to Wikipedia this week when The Great FireWall of China allowed it in! I was very excited. I posted a link to a website I designed for global nomads which you deleted. You cited that it was a personal page. Though it was created by me, it is a database with definitions regarding GNs, various information & a forum as well as profiles of members. Please elaborate on your reasoning for considering it a "personal page". As I said, I am brand new to the Wiki so please forgive me for any errors in this coding! I'm trying to copy from those who have come before. I look forward to hearing from you at my talk page... --User:Expatstef (talk) --Stef 10:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Beijing, Nov. 6, 2006

Responding on EXPATSTEF's userpage.Balloonman 18:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your feedback. In fact, I would appreciate it if you could take a look at my site & give me feedback on it, too. I believe you are a global nomad & I like to hear what fellow GNs have to say about it. Ruth Van Reken (TCK), Norma McCaig (GNI), Brian Lenius (GNVV), Charlie Stevenson (Geolinks) & Joe Condrill (Overseas Brats) all contributed to it to various degrees & yet it hasn't caught on. One day perhaps it'll be as big as the other pages, but it takes word of mouth within the community or it's doomed. --User:Expatstef (talk) --Stef 10:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Deletion

When using the speedy deletion templates, don't forget that automatic reasons need a "-", whereas manual ones take "|". For example, use "db-bio". Thanks for helping out on deletion patrol! yandman 10:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good... last night was the first time I did any "patrolling." It was also my first time to nominate anybody for deletion!

[edit] Military brat

Can you expand the acronyms for DoDDs and DoDEA? I know they're DOD schools but i don't know more than that. --AW 17:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

DoDDS = Department of Defense Dependent Schools

DoDEA = Department of Defense Education Activity

DoDDS appears to be the older acronym (the one I grew up with) while DoDEA seems to be what is used today. It is a thing that needs to be cleaned up in the article. It is something that I learned about while updating the page.Balloonman 19:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we just put Department of Defense schools. No reason to put in an acronym where it's not really needed. --AW 21:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm Kosher with that... I liked the DoDDS because that's exactly what you were saying... I'm not a big fan of the DoDEA---although that is probably because I'm not use to it... but DoDDS is explicitly talking about the schools ;-) Balloonman 23:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article you might want to look at

I created an article with the unwieldy title of List of Roman Catholic organizations not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church, which I thought you might be interested in helping with. Cheers! <3 --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · e@} 21:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea, but I really don't like the title... it might be viewed as POV as the groups may not agree with the categorization that they aren't in full communion. What about Roman Catholic Sects and Movements with a sociological definition of what a sect/movement is?Balloonman 23:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)