Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shamin Mohamed Jr.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  08:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shamin Mohamed Jr.

Delete. Unverifiable and borderline biased information, and vanity Lailaiboy 21:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete As much as Mr. Mohamed Jr. does for his community, and for the world, this is an online encyclopedia with an exceptional reputation for its unbiased information to learn about that they seek. The page in question is clearly a self-created biography and has no place in Wikipedia Put your boastful bio on your own page, Mr. Mohamed. -Pollux —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.48.192.103 (talk • contribs) .

• Keep. Don't say that information is unverifiable without trying to verify it. [Google News] allowed me to locate several recent newspaper articles about Shamin Mohamed Jr., which I have added under external links. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 16:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Autobiographical, self-glorifying page.70.24.144.235 16:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as well as Children's AIDS Health Program ... it looks like he (Smjr2000) is the author of that page as well. It is mentioned several times on his bio page, but not linked to it (sloppy work, IMHO) ... in fact, nothing appears to be linked to either article. NN individual promoting NN charity. Dennette 18:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Not only did he create the Children's AIDS Health Program page himself, but the "Media Coverage" is just a copy of the list of links to PDF pages from the organization's Web site About Us page --Dennette 04:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Done.

"I am also nominating the following related page because..." the founder made the page himself. (Smjr2000) Children's AIDS Health Program --Lailaiboy 15:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The AfD link for Children's AIDS Health Program points to this page ... can someone please fix it? --Dennette 08:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• It was to bundle this page with his organization's. See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_list_multiple_related_pages_for_deletion "An article about a company/organization and a second article about its founder, who has done nothing else of note."

• Delete. Fails WP:Bio as Mr. Mohamed has not been "subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person." For example: Toronto Star link is to a trivial mention, the Toronto Sun article is not avaialable without paying, and the Google news link doesn't work. The National Post article probably counts, but that's only one. A Google test turns up unimpressive results (863 hits, none that jump off the page). My guess is that the trajectory of this individual will make him notable from a Wikipedia perspective at some point, just not quite yet. I wish Mr. Mohamed well, and also suggest that he read WP:AUTO. Fairsing 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Thank you for pointing out the problem with the Google News link. It has now beein fixed. The Toronto Sun article is a non-trivial published work which appeared in the Toronto Sun newspaper, as well as on its web site. The fact that the Toronto Sun charges for access to older articles does not change this. In light of these things, I think he passes WP:BIO and is notable. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 08:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Looks like the author (Smjr2000) has removed the AfD from both Shamin Mohamed Jr. and Children's AIDS Health Program ... again ... can someone please restore them and block him until this is resolved? --Dennette 21:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Lailaiboy (talk • contribs) created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shamin Mohamed Jr. (2nd nomination). I would suggest that the "2nd nomination" be merged into this one. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 22:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. I would just like to state that all of the information mentioned about Children's AIDS Health Program is very credible. If you visit the main website, under About Us (www.LetsStopAIDS.org), you will see they are some videos from Significantly important Canadian Television Stations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smjr2000 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Credibility has never been the problem; it's notability ... and your frequent vandalism of the pages under discussion is not helping your case, either. (Although your constant failure to comment your changes, or sign your comments, has adversely impacted your credibility. :-) Maybe after you've completed your five year plan and built the proposed clinic, it will be notable, but the organization has been around for less than one year, and it may not even exist next year. --Dennette 06:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Delete - vanity entry.Michael Dorosh 16:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. As a mattre of fact, the organization has been around for more than two years, we are coming close to THREE years, in October. We have been around for awhile and we are established quite well. Visit http://southafrica.LetsStopAIDS.org , if you want to see proof from on-site locations. 70.49.221.171 16:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. First, this anon. user has never before made a contribution to WP except to support this AFD. Second, "We" have been around for two years, or three, or whatever, is not criteria for establishing that your organization deserves an article on Wikipedia. The criteria, as has been stated above, is notability, which requires something more than being a local organization doing good works in the community (or in Africa, or elsewhere). That, in and of itself, is laudable and commendable, but not notable from an encyclopedic standpoint. Links to your *own* organization's Web sites do not help to esablish notability. You need multiple, non-trivial examples of coverage by reliable sources. Fairsing 17:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There are many reliable sources of Children's AIDS Health Program, available on their website, espeicially Live Footage from RELIABLE tv stations, CBC and CTV. Today actually, the organization was mentioned on MTV Live (MTV Canada). A link off hand : http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=2c31e917-c965-4bba-9d9d-2c95d130dfdd , also, if you read the Kaisernetwork Transcripts, the organization's website is mentioned. As well, http://www.letsstopaids.org/en/content.php?page=aboutus , for a list. The notability of this information is valid. This is encouraging other youth to educate others about arts, sports, hiv and aids prevention and leadership. This organization is making differences, and has built a reputable credibility. Smjr2000 02:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. In regards to the recent Toronto Sun Article: Articles cannot stay available for free forever, the full version of this article is available at http://www.letsstopaids.org/en/content.php?page=aboutus . Smjr2000 02:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete, Comment Don't vote Keep twice. It's obvious your anonymous posts are made by you. You're missing the point again. Because your organization does good works does not establish notability from an encyclopaedic standpoint. Have you been reading the references that have been repeatedly posted on your talk pages? The conflict of interest is born especially from the fact that you are the pages' creator. Understand that Wikipedia is not a place for promoting your organization, or your achievements. It's not meant for human interest articles, but factual representation from a neutral point of view. I'm sure your organization will survive without the publicity it's garnering from Wikipedia at the moment. Wait for someone else to write about you.70.24.144.235 02:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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