Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mt. Lebanon Percussion

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 18:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mt. Lebanon Percussion

Nominated (by someone else) for speedy deletion as non-notable high school band, but contested. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-06-18 05:21Z

• Speedy delete per CSD A7 (bio), no need to discuss I think. Jammo (SM247) 05:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• Neutral After recent comments, I am led to believe this may have merit, it is still however a school band, whether it is a successful band. I no longer have any particular opinion. Jammo (SM247) 04:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete per A7. --Arnzy ^{(whats up?)} 05:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
  • After recent comments and messages on talk after a quick research, I'm convinced that this may have some merit, but there is still a lack of sources or little to no indication of meeting WP:BAND. --Arnzy ^{(whats up?)} 08:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • The author asserted notability; did you guys read the assertions? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-06-18 05:50Z
• Delete, but not speedily. Notability is asserted ("has been recognized as one of the premier percussion groups in the nation"), but there's a complete lack of sources or other indications of meeting WP:BAND. Sandstein 06:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. DarthVader 10:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I'm tempted to say that with over 200 students involved, and having been going for 20 years, it's notable. - Richardcavell 23:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - This is one of the most award-winning school music groups in American history. The sources confirm that it has won all of the awards. --M@rēino 02:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. WP:BAND is a guideline, and this group is closer to meeting the guidelines than not. The blue ribbon award they won is probably significant for their field. The arrangement with Malletech is suggestive of notability, especially in percussion circles. Finally, depending on which KDKA components broadcast the telethon, they may have played to a national radio audience. The article could use more independent sources, yes. However, it's a well-written article, it's on a group worthy of encyclopedic coverage, and Wikipedia is certainly not hurt by leaving this article in. —C.Fred (talk) 03:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

A little research confirms that KDKA radio broadcasts the telethon, and at 7 p.m. in the winter, that's playing to a national audience. —03:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep. Does seem just about notable enough for me. It appears a very successful and well established band per the sources. It still is only school band though. Rockpocket 06:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm still not convinced that the group is notable enough to warrant inclusion. To begin, I don't think WP:BAND is the proper guideline to use as we're talking about a school group. I'm sure there are hundreds of school bands across the nation who could make similar claims (ie appearing on a telethon, performing at education conferences, winning competitions, etc.). Think about it this way; probably a band a year is chosen to perform at education conferences. Say there's one per state and at least one national conference. That's 51 high school groups per year. Over the course of 20 years, there have been over a thousand groups that have done the same thing as this one. - The relationship with Malletech is somewhat intriguing, but again, I'm sure that hundreds of bands across the nation have similar relationships with instrument manufacturers. Again, not necessarily notable enough for this single group. Finally, see WP:NOT which states "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia." I just don't think this group is that notable... ClarkBHM 13:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.