Talk:Andrade

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[edit] Genealogical Quest

My surname is Andrade and I was wondering if anyone had any information concerning it. I have heard that it is a Sephardi Jewish surname and that it was a wealthy family in Spain in Medieval times, and that is all I know. So if anyone has any information related to it, please post it here or in the article. Anonimous.

As you can see there are more informations on the article now. The name seems to be more commom in Portugal than in Spain (remeber it has a Galician origin). The name in itself does not denote any religious affiliation (it was initialy a Christian name, but the Iberic Jews picked it up), nor does the fact that you bear it means there is a genealogical connection between you and the people mentioned in the article. The Ogre 14:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation and expansion

Hello, I'm wondering about your edits to Andrade and Andrade (disambiguation). They had (previously) two different functions--Andrade was about a single family in Spain (everyone in the "See also" list was a member of that particular family). Andrade (disambiguation) listed nearly everyone with the name. Now, however, the two pages have essentially the same information, and so there's no way for a reader to tell which Andrades belong to the aristocratic family of Spain and which don't. I was hoping you might explain your rationale. Thanks. Chick Bowen 04:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello Chick Bowen. Just to let you know that I did read you comment on my page about the Andrade issues and that I shall adress them soon (probably only this weekend, though, as I am without time at present). I assure you that there are good reasons for what I did and also that I hadn't finished doing everything. Of course you might come to desagree with me... I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks! The Ogre 01:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Chick Bowen. Sorry for the delay. I've changed stuff in the Andrade article and made Andrade (disambiguation) a redirect page to the main article, since it concerns only people with the surname Andrade that are already listed in the main one. What do you think? The Ogre 19:11, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, and for keeping me up to date. The edits to the main part of Andrade are great--that was a skimpy article, and you've improved it enormously and given a good sense of the family. However--and I'm sorry about this--I'm afraid I still don't see the point of merging Andrade (disambiguation) into it. It seems like it gives the impression that someone like Mário Pinto de Andrade is a member of that family. In fact, now that you've expanded Andrade, I've even more convinced that the disambig. page should be separate, so as not to distract from the content on the Andrade page--this is what disambig pages are for: to separate between pages that are purely for finding an article a reader is looking for from pages that give specific information (see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. However, I'm not going to revert unless I hear from you--I can still be persuaded, of course. You might want to bring someone else into the conversation, too. You could ask User:Redwolf24, for example--he's always around and has expressed an opinion on disambig pages before, I belive. Chick Bowen 19:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi again Chick Bowen. You're right, so I've reverted the changes to Andrade (disambiguation) and removed all those people from the article Andrade. There's really no need to discuss who is a member of the family or not. Let's just say that the disambiguation page is a list of people and the main article is on the origins of the family. Do you think it's ok now? The Ogre 19:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I think this is the clearest way. Thanks again for consulting me on this--I appreciate it. Best, Chick Bowen 20:05, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of Arms

I'm an Andrade from El Salvador, now living in Indiana, USA. I was looking at a newer coat of arms, and I noticed snakes and cauldrons and a winged serpent crest. Were the Andrades witches or I don't know sorcerers or something hundreds of years ago? Guanaco152003 00:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello Guanaco152003. I do not know the coat of arms you're refering to, but the simbology of Iberian heraldry does not point to witches or sorcerers... The cauldron was a symbol of power (having the possibility to feed lots of people), and the serpent or dragon (winged serpent) are fairly common in European heraldry, namely in Portugal, where they are an important symbol since 1000 BC. Also remember that a specific coat of arms may not have any specific connection with the original coat of arms presented in the Andrade article. The Ogre 11:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

i have the surname andrade aswell, my family r from jamaica. i have always been told of our family history by my nan n aunt, no where in this anyone has said bout how we came to portugal and spain? i have been told it was 3 brothers who sailed a boat over there, i know of the family bein well off and seems we were well repected as when some of the family went to barbadous they were very happy to welcome andrade's into there country and treated them with kinda. please could you help me with this im young and curious to who my family are and are roots, as most my family r still in other countrys we dont all get to talk as much as we would like n my great grandparents are no longer with us. i would be really gratefull.