Talk:Alfred Jodl
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Why was he acquitted? --HappyDog 01:45, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Because he wasn't guilty, at least not of anything that the allies didn't do themselves.
He wasn't guilty of anything that the allies didn't do themselves? He was a nazi, wasn't he?
Well I don't know he was an Army officer, 'Only following Orders' is the traditional excuse, in his case it was found to be the case.
Being a Nazi was/is not sufficient evidence to be convicted of war crimes, you actually have to do something directly 'wrong'.
In his case he was an Army Officer, not for the Nazi cause, but then again not couragous enough to do anything against it, just another one of the faceless accomplaces of Hitler, albeit one with a high rank.
- Whatever. The problematic thing is that no source is cited. Such a final sentence—or, on the other hand, its omission—may easily give a completely wrong impression (either way). I googled <Jodl 1953> and what I mostly came up with was mirrors of Wikipedia, so that wasn't a great help.
- However, I found a web site called http://www.shoa.de/ , where a Hubert Beckers (Netherlands) writes ( http://www.shoa.de/content/view/255/202/ ):
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- Das Urteil war - auch in alliierten Militärkreisen - von Anfang an umstritten. Seiner Witwe Luise Jodl blieb, ihre Bemühungen um die Rehabilitierung fortzusetzen. Im Jahre 1953 wurde Jodl am 28. Februar von der deutschen Hauptspruchkammer in München posthum rehabilitiert und der ihm zur Last gelegten Völkerrechtsbrüche nicht schuldig befunden, allerdings unter Ausklammerung des Anklagepunktes "Verbrechen gegen den Frieden". Sein Besitz, rechtsgültig 1946 eingezogen, wurde der Witwe zurückgegeben.
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- Später aber hob die bayerische Staatskanzlei unter amerikanischem Druck das Münchener Urteil auf und am 3. September 1953 widerrief der bayerische Minister für Politische Befreiung den Widerruf des Jodl-Urteils.
- This means that Jodl was rehabilitated in February 1953 but a few months later, in September, that verdict was revoked, allegedly under U.S. pressure.
- We should really ask someone very knowledgeable about this matter to write the final part of Jodl's biography. <KF> 22:17, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
- Try the german wiki page about jodl, they say, after his wife had made some kind of deal behind the cutain with the americans, who threatend to take the case themselves, wich would have ment also not in favour of Jodl, after those had an agreement, a mayor declared the revoked verdict for revoked (excuse my english, writing under time pressure). Should not be too hard to find the archive, where those records of the trials (nürnber and the civil trial) are mentioned. I am working in an archive, I'll try to get some confirmation on this. As of accusing someone as a nazi, not all millitary have the balls, to stand up, knowing that this would mean certain danger to themselves and their family, some just try to get along with times. And you should not ever forget one thing: Their education as officers in an army (whatever army in the past 150+ years) includes historic analysis of battles and that people die ther a lot, mostly because politians F*** things up. Their job is war. Some never learn to think beyond that.
- I have yet again removed the acquittal claim from the article. Could someone who knows german and/or history well please add the complete story, including revoked acuittals and so on (compare Talk:Nuremberg Trials). We must have good sources for such an important claim. -- Woseph 11:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
- A professional soldier's job is basically plan to kill,destroy the enemy. Talking about humanity is a poor attemp in this situation because Allies also killed,wounded many Axis soldiers and civilians. At least, they had to let him to be killed by the shooting squad. Hermann Göring's popular quote, "the victor will always be the judge, and the vanquished the accused". With respect, Deliogul 22:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] acquittal claim removed again
I removed it once more. As others have said: if details and sources can be provided for this claim, I have no problem with its inclusion; but it is such a statement needs more detail & verifiable sources before it can be mentioned in Wikipedia. --SJK 10:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cremation, Place of scattering the ashes
It is not true that Jodl (or one of the other Nuremberg executees, for that matter) was cremated at Dachau. They were cremated at the Munich Crematory, and their ashes scattered into a little stream named Kowentzbach, running into the river Isar. Don't have the sources at hand, but I think it is in Maser's book on the International Military Tribunal. --Traugott 13:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] most brilliant minds of German military history?
General Jodl was one of the most brilliant minds of German military history. (?)
This assertion is unsupported by any evidence. No German general in their post war memoirs ever refers to Jodl as “a brilliant military mind” To classify Jodl as one of the “most brilliant minds of German military history” would be funny if such a gross misstatement wasn’t found in an ‘encyclopedia’. Any student was a passing knowledge of the war understands Jodl and Keitel were Hitler’s office boys. Jodl did nothing to alter the course of the war. He simply translated Hitler’s orders through the military chain of command. Peacock words like “brilliant” for Jodl are sadly misplaced. Jodl was a military nobody; an empty uniform. I ask the author to provide evidence that Jodl or Keitel did anything other than serve as Hitler’s military secretaries. I corrected this absurdity once, but I have don’t have the patience to do it again.
[edit] acquittal claim
Why remove the acquittal claim? It's a FACT that he was acquitted in 1953 by a German commission of all charges. Whether it was or was not deserved doesn't matter. It's a fact and the fact should be added back to the article. http://www.nndb.com/people/919/000031826/ DTE 01:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
