Talk:Airbus A340

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Airbus A340 was the Aviation Portal's selected aircraft during September 2006.

"(but the longest airliner record will be surpassed by the newer 747-8 [freighter version])." Sorry, but you can`t view in the future. I do not think, that this frase fits in an encyclopedia.

1 Hull loss accidents
2 list of operators
3 modification
4 Image:Pala343.jpg
5 Slow RoC?
6 A340-313X of Emirates
7 A340 Road
8 The longest airplane in the world
9 Competition
10 Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section
11 Fuel consumption?

[edit] Hull loss accidents

On 20 January 1994 an Air France A340-211 (F-GNIA) was lost to fire during servicing at CDG. Another A340-312 of SriLankan Airlines was destroyed on the ground by Tamil Tigers on July 24, 2001 at Colombo-Bandaranayake IAP along with 2 A330s and a squadron of military aircrafts.

I found this very interesting

An A340-313X of Emirates ran off the runway when trying to take off from Johannesburg International Airport on 9 April 2004. The Vr calculated was much too low, so when the pilots tried taking off, the fly by wire system wouldn't allow it. The aircraft soon got airborne after damaging its tyres, brakes and flaps as well as some of the runway lights. It landed safely and all 216 passengers left unhurt.

Now, would this have prevented the Being 747 that crashed in Canada early this year. I think it was carrying goods and crashed for taking off without the necessarly take off speed.

[edit] list of operators

I don't see why we can't merge the list of operators into the aircraft's articles. I see no reason to have a seperate list, many pages have lists that are longer. PPGMD

It used to be a section in the main article, "List of images," except it was just a series of Wiki links to those airlines. People would come along and add their pet airline occasionally. In the case of certain articles (Boeing 737, etc.) it was beginning to become quite large. Since in most of these cases, the list of actual operators is lengthy, it made more sense to split it off. Thus, while the list is currently short, it can grow tremendously. In fact, 150 seconds after you posted your remark, some anonymous user came along and increased the length of the list by a factor of six. -Joseph (Talk) 23:59, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

Well compare it to a article like Navy, it's still fairly small. I think with exception to the 737 list it's hardly going to get bigger than the Navy page. We could always organize it, US, European, and other operators, to make it more organized and readable. PPGMD

The difference to the Navy article is it's largely just a short overview and then a list of units and a partial list of ships (the article then does link to several separate lists). In this case, the articles about the aircraft go into detail about the airframe. Why cloud that with a big list at the end? IMHO, inline lists are ugly, anyhow. -Joseph (Talk) 00:09, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)

[edit] modification

Is there any website with a close up picture where one can view modifications that rectified the flapping problem due to the weight of the outer engines on the wings?

I made a revision and addition to the section regarding the 500 model. -Amit

[edit] Image:Pala343.jpg

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[edit] Slow RoC?

I've removed "There has been criticism about the very slow climb rate of the A343, compared to other aircraft, leaving the airports to impose a longer wait period for take off or landing after an A343." from the article because this sounds very dubious to me. Does the A343 have a markedly inferior RoC to other similar airliners? And how could a slow RoC possibly require longer delays after take-off? And just where is the source for the statement? --Jumbo 12:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Though it's quite true that the Airbus A340-300 has a slower rate of climb then aircraft that fly similar routes, I don't think it's that big of a deal unless you are forced to lower your rate of climb below it. Perhaps a section on common jokes about the A340 (ie the only aircraft to get a bird strike from behind, and other cracks on the A340?)PPGMD 14:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I hadn't heard the bird strike one, but it appeals to my SoH. Thanks. If it's a significant factor in airline/airport operations, then it's worth a mention, but to my mind it's one of a continuing series of subtle and not so subtle digs at Airbus from "Boeing-boosters" and vice versa. I guess when the airliner industry has somehow boiled down to just two major manufacturers, it's inevitable that there be some sort of snide rivalry, especially when the two firms come from different areas of the globe. But I'd very much prefer that our articles be factual and objective rather than consisting of one-eyed digs and jabs. --Jumbo 21:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A340-313X of Emirates

In this section of other incidents, what is "Vr?"

Vr is Velocity of rotation, one of a series of key speeds during takeoff during which various actions or decisions are taken. These speeds vary according to factors such as takeoff weight, runway, length, temperature, wind speed and so on, and must be worked out in advance, otherwise things can go wrong. "Rotation" occurs when the nose is lifted off the ground so that the aircraft assumes a nose high attitude while continuing to roll on its main gear and the tail consequently comes closer to the ground. The bottom rear of most airliners is "cut away" to facilitate rotation without the tail striking the ground, although this occurs from time to time. Immediately after rotation the aircraft will rise smoothly from the runway and commence climbing out. The Takeoff article goes into more detail. --Jumbo 23:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A340 Road

Ok, it may be an article, but should it really be linked to at the top of the A340 Aircraft page? Reedy Boy 12:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you look around at various other Wikipedia articles. This nomenclature is normal. Since A340 redirects to Airbus A340, there needs to be a way for people who type "A340" looking for the road can find it. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 13:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The longest airplane in the world

is Antonov_An-225, 84 m long, 6 meters longer than A340-600. 216.239.87.115 02:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a330a340/a340-600/ --Denniss 19:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Competition

The article seems to rely too much on some supposed competition with Boeing. Certainly there is competition, but the A340 was clearly developed as a continuing expansion of Airbus capablilities, as we have seen throughout the whole Airbus story, culminating in the A380, which goes beyond anything Boeing has done. Building an ETOPS-immune airliner was a logical next step for Airbus. --Jumbo 09:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Supposed competition? Tell that to Airbus now. While McDD was part of the equation at the time of the A340's introduction, today's realities reflect the fact that Airbus and Boeing are fighting each other tooth and nail in all areas except safety and logistical standards (which, amazingly enough, are developed jointly by both companies.) —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 14:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but there's a lot of unsourced supposition in all the "this model competes with that model" stuff in the articles. To my mind it is obvious that Airbus has worked steadily to expand its range and capabilities. The A340 was a logical next step - the objective was to overcome ETOPS limitations, not to compete with any specific Boeing model. This process is taken one step further with the A380, which has NO direct Boeing equivalent. The A380 builds directly on the work done on the A340 - notably the difficult problem of how to put four engines on a wing without the thing developing unwanted flutters - and introduces its own technical innovations.

This continued expansion and development is something that would have ocurred whether there was none, one or a dozen companies competing for airliner business. While it is fun to line up the various models and say that this one is a competitor for that one, I think we should be very careful about stating that this is why they were developed unless we have a good source. Besides which, I get really sick of Airbus or Boeing fans trying to stick in their own little poison pills here and there. This isn't a sporting competition, where we pick a team and root for it, this is an encyclopaedia, and we are supposed to be presenting factual unbiased information.

I'd like to see an article on how the airline market works as a whole, and that would be a good place for competition discussions and comparisons, but these airliner articles should focus on the subject of the article, not on the development of other aircraft. --Jumbo 19:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section

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[edit] Fuel consumption?

Look at the article about the Boeing 747. There you can see the total fuel consumption per km. How come that type data isn't on the stats table of the A340??

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