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カタルーニャ語と近縁にあるスペイン語についてはスペイン語の日本語表記を参照せよ。

I don't understand why is this sentence here. Spanish is closer to Portuguese than to Catalan. Llull 2005年12月15日 (木) 09:18 (UTC)

In ja.wikipedia, ポルトガル語の日本語表記 is not prepared. ---Redattore 2005年12月15日 (木) 10:13 (UTC)
What I don't understand is the inclusion of Spanish language here as if it was a variation of the same language. The matchs with Spanish come directly from Latin language, no from mutual influence (and divergences too). Llull 2005年12月15日 (木) 18:43 (UTC)
My explanation was too short. Catalan resembles Spanish in the spelling. However, pronunciation is considerably different. I thought that comparison of pronunciation of Spanish and Catalan was necessary. If this sentence had given you an impression that Catalan was a derivation language of Spanish, this sentence must be deleted.---Redattore 2005年12月16日 (金) 06:32 (UTC)

There are thinks that I wanted to put but my Japanese don't let. Catalan is a en:Syllable-timed language where the different position of the stress change the meaning of the world, in sometimes abruptly (màquina -> machine, maquina -> "he thinks machiavellianly") or fore example changing the verbal tense ("Canta -> "He/she/it sings", Cantà -> "He/she/it/ sang", "cantara" -> I sang (subjuntive), "cantarà" -> "He/she/it will sing", cantes -> "you sing", "cantès" -> "I sang", et coetera". This stressed syllabe (one for word, only) so important is marcked with a "一" when is transcribed to Japanese. ¿Where? After all the vowels with accent "à, è, é, í, ò, ó, ú", after the last vowel of the world when this finnished with a consonant that isn't in the combination "as, es, is, os, us, en, in", in all the other cases in the penultimate vowel except when there are 3 toguether without accent, then the symbol must be after the first of the three.

The accents of é, è and ó, ò indicates in Catalan difenciations of pronunciation, but are always tanscribed as エ and オ respectibely.

I wanted to put to (out of the table, that is very large), that in very important dialects (in Barcelona area, for example), the vowels a/e in non estressed syllabes are pronunciated in an intermedial sound that could be transcribed as ア, changing too, all the other kana implicated, but the better is make the transcriprion as in the table because is more representative of the scripture. The sames happens with non stressed o/u that is in Barcelona pronunciated as a pure ウ but the better is ignore this in transcription. Llull 2005年12月17日 (土) 18:41 (UTC)

I will translate the above-mentioned content to Japanese. ---Redattore 2005年12月18日 (日) 09:45 (UTC)
どうもありがとう。Llull 2005年12月18日 (日) 10:23 (UTC)

[編集] 「平板」

項目中の「平板に発音する」はカスティリャ語の llano に相当する語の直訳で、元の意味は「次末強勢」(ラテン語 paenultima)ではないでしょうか?——Cureless 2006年10月15日 (日) 23:53 (UTC)

Wikipedia日本語版にはカタルーニャ語に詳しい方はほとんどおられないようです(私も詳しくありません)。利用者:Llullさんに直接質問することをお勧めします。彼は日本語がほとんどできないそうなので、英語版の利用者ページに書き込まむとよいでしょう。---Redattore 2006年10月16日 (月) 08:30 (UTC)
履歴を見ましたが、訳したのはRedattoreさんではないのですか?ついでながら同源のイタリア語 piano にも同じ用法があります。―Cureless 2006年11月16日 (木) 21:23 (UTC)
日本語に落とし込んだのは私です。ただ、Llullさんの英語は私には分かりにくく、疑問点が残っております(本文側にコメントアウトの形で埋め込んであります)。「次末強勢」かどうかは残念ながら判断できませんでした。---Redattore 2006年11月17日 (金) 08:40 (UTC)
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