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Can anybody explain why McKay pronounces it Zed-PM? PrometheusX303 23:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Zed is Zee in Canada, McKay is from Canada. 68.32.218.61 07:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't know that. PrometheusX303 13:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Why can't the asgard or somebody figure out how to reverse engineer the ZPM and just build more? Or what about the power modulator thing O'Neill built to go to the asgard homeworld? At least, wouldn't the database at atlantis have info on how to build one?


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[edit] Why can more ZPMs be made

How did the anchent biuld there ZPMs. Isnt the knowledge in the anchient database.

[edit] inconsistancy?

thumb|300px|left Something about this picture seems kinda inconsistent with what is shown in Stargate Atlantis. Specifically, when McKay unplugs ZPMs from Atlantis, they turn dark. The ZPM in this picture, however, is lit up, despite not being plugged in... TerraFrost 01:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

You may be corrct. But are the Atlantis ZPMs you mention the original? If so, they are dead, or nearly so, and so wouldn't give off light. PrometheusX303 13:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
That may be the fact, since the ZPM in this picture is half charged, but the one that Jack found to power the Antarctic Outpost was nearly depleted as well and therefor did not glow. From this it may be the case that charged ZPM's glow, wher as nearly dead ZPM's only glow when plugged in. However, McKay did also state, in the Pilot for Atlantis, that the ZPM would light up WHEN plugged in, but as I said, it may have only been because of the amount of power left in the device. I'll stop rambling now. Grizzwald 05:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] zed vs zee revisited

"This is because of the difference in english pronunciation between European and American nations."

I edited this entry as it is conflicting. Last time I checked, Canada was an American nation. The current info will reflect more that Z is pronounced zee only in the United States and by my stubborn girlfriend. cplbeaudoin 03:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it might be better to just link to Z? TerraFrost 18:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Since there's a link to Z (I added this a few days ago), I took out the extra explanation of zed vs. zee — which seemed to me to be lacking in NPOV anyway (implied that the American pronunciation was merely an archaic oddity). Richwales 04:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zelenka does not say Zed PM!

I removed the bit about Dr. Zelenka saying Zed because he does pronounce it Zee-PM. Watch "The Intruder" at the very end he calls it a ZPM, the American way.

Thanks, Faris,


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[edit] which picture?

I'm currious... which of the following ZPM pictures do you prefer?:

This one or this one?

I, personally, prefer the former, but since that one is kinda mine, I'm currious what ya'll think TerraFrost 16:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

--Faris b 04:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)== Known ZPMs ==

Although I like the new table format, I don't think there's any reason to assume that the Proclarush Taonas ZPM was the one that was given to Ba'al when it could have very well been the old ZPM that powered the Ancient outpost in Antarctica. Unless there was something in one of those two episodes that I'm not recalling?

Also, I've updated the stuff in the Found column to point to the List of Planets article, again. By linking to that article, you're liable to get information about the planet and (if it exists) the civilization on that planet (since each planets entry in the List of Planets article links to the civilization) whereas you would only get information on the civilization if that were what was being linked to.

Finally, if the location of depleted ZPM that wasn't given to Ba'al is unknown, technically, so to are the locations of the original Atlantis ZPMs (who's to say that they haven't been taken back to Earth for study?) and the ZPM that Camulus was supposed to use to kill Ba'al with (who's to say that Ba'al kept it at that planet after finding Camulus with it?) TerraFrost 16:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the latest edit... the ZPM protected by the Brotherhood was not stolen by the Geneii. Major Shepard and company managed to recapture it from the Geneii taskforce only to have it taken from them by the Brotherhood, who rehid it. Rewatch The Brotherhood. TerraFrost 17:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Rodney and his team had that ZPM, so the Brotherhood stole it from them by force of numbers. --Andromeda 11:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
That ZPM was the Brotherhoods, by right. It was their's ten generations ago and it was on their planet. By what right can Rodney claim it as his own? The fact that his team found it? If so, then I suppose that this "stolen" sidekick was in fact not stolen, because the original owner lost it?
And if Rodney doesn't have any legit claim to that ZPM and the Brotherhood does, how can the Brotherhood be stealing it?
Also, why did you revert the changes I had made to the Found column? I justified my actions - can you justify yours? TerraFrost 17:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
There's more info in the civilizations page than in the list of planets page. --Andromeda 20:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess I'll give my opinion here. It's all on the point of view, most people's is that since the ZPM was hidden there FOR the Ancients or whatever, it was meant to power Atlantis to help them get back into buisness since I'm sure you need power to make more ZPM's so thusly they are stealing it from it's RIGHTFUL owners, so it was never theirs, its like if someone loaned you a screwdriver, does it mean it's theirs to keep? Same with the ZPM, it was meant for the inhabitants (Ancients or otherwise) to use in Atlantis. So I think the current note should stay about it being stolen by the brotherhood.

--Faris b 19:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, heh. A more accurate analogy would be... you loan someone a screw driver and then give the toolset that it came from to someone else. Does the new owner of the toolset have a legit claim to the screw driver? I wouldn't say so. Is the current possessor of the screw driver a thief if he doesn't give the screw driver to the new owner? Again, I wouldn't say so.
Now, this may not be what the ancients had intended, but it is, never-the-less, what the Brotherhood believes they had intended. So in their minds, they're not stealing it.
Also, like you said, saying it was stolen is POV. It'd be less POV, imho, to say that it was protected. If something is valuable enough to steal, it's valuable enough to protect. And if it wasn't stolen, then they're still protecting it. So no matter whether or not you think that ZPM was stolen, it'd be hard to deny that it wasn't being protected. TerraFrost 21:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

That's a good point. That would best to change it to NPOV. "protected" doesn't sound right to me, how about another word like "kept from them by the brotherhood" or something like that? Anyway, if McKay didn't open his big mouth and say that they came to Atlantis a few months ago from somewhere else, it would have been theirs. They (people of Dagan) thought that the Atlantis team lived in Atlantis their whole lives but he had to say they didn't.

--Faris b 04:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

What about "Sought by many, the Brotherhood denies it to all, save for the Ancients, who they believe will return at some point."? TerraFrost 17:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

That's pretty good. Go for it.

Also, remember in "Coup D' Etat" Ladon said that the ZPM was depleted for a 1000 years. Does that mean that there are other cultures in Pegasus that use ZPM's or was it just a mistake because they don't know the Ancients have been gone longer? The Genii can't seem to use ZPM's.

--Faris b 19:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

That's probably just wild speculation on their part. Ladon says an operative of theirs found it a hundred years ago. Unless the person who got it for them got a little bit of the ZPMs history, as well, it's not as if they have a lot of stuff to back their claim up with.
Also, the people in The Tower may well have known about ZPMs and how to use them. The fact that the people in the village don't know about it doesn't necessarily mean that those in the Tower don't (although it does seem like a fair assumption that they don't)... TerraFrost 02:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that's what I thought.

Yeah, but I doubt the people of the tower knew how to use anything except the control chair and the drones and that hologram thing to spy on people. Sheppard even says the only systems running in the control room were systems on auto. They probably don't even know how to activate the shield. Plus, if they had only one (barely) functioning ZPM those were probably the original ones from when the Ancients were there like in Atlantis.

And another issue is why didn't the Atlantis team know about that hologram tech to spy on people? And how is that possible? Are there Ancient sensors everywhere or is that just an extension of the biometric sensors and such? One more thing, did they say that they actually flew the jumpers for a while but they ran out of power or did they try to fly them? I could never get that part.

--Faris b 04:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asuras

Why does Asuras link to Atlantis? I know they are very similar, but Asuras has it's own history.

Might we also assume that there were more than 3 ZPMs at Asuras? It took 3 to run the ship, but a great portion of the city was left behind. Niam also said that they had more than enough ZPMs to run the city. PrometheusX303 15:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Because, several months back when spoilers for this ep emerged, I added a bit on Asuras on the Atlantis page, unless you think Asuras warrants it's own page, that is the proper page for it to link to. No, just 3 in Asuras itself, in the other larger buildings, yes, probably more ZPM's but most likely in the main body only 3.

Faris b 19:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess that depends on the history of Asuras. At first I took it that the nanites built it and the surrounding city. Did they just take over after the Ancients ascended?
I was also thinking that the name refered to the entire city, including the expansion, not just the city-ship.
If there is more detailed history for Asuras (and "Lemuria", for that matter) a seperate article may be needed. If more city-ships are discovered (I have no advance knowledge of upcoming episodes, so there may be none) a new article may include them all. If not, perhaps subheadings on the Atlantis page?
One final point on the entry on the Atlantis page: Should we remove the spoiler tag, since the episode has aired? PrometheusX303 21:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


Ok but since the Asurans will be appearing again, it may be prudent in the future to make a separate article for Asuras when the time comes in about a month or so. No, spoiler tags stay on til the episode airs in syndication about a year from now as not everyone gets Sci Fi. I'd say that there are more city-ships out there, for one, they have yet to find Praclarush Taonas, it was an ancient city as well that left, possibly for Pegasus as well, either that was it in "The Tower" or it was Lemuria, but we may never know, I'd say there are more of them out there, the Asurans are most likely building themselves a new one already.

Faris b 22:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The others left on the Asuran homeworld should be noted...And I took care of that. I'm not sure whether or not to call the entire thing Asuras, or just the city, so I simply called it the Asuran homeworld.208.228.100.69 00:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NO ZPM???

What the HELL is wrong with the writers? They've basically killed the show now! Ironic, SG-1 is cancelled but Atlantis kills itself.

Without the ZPM, Atlantis is basically worthless, no dialing Earth, no shield, no weapons (Mk II's don't do that good powering them), no cloak...

Unless they're getting another one in the next ep or something else, does anyone have any future info? People are going to get sick of this really quick! It was stale in season 1, the whole no ZPM thing so what the heck is wrong with those writers now?

Faris b 03:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

They had no power to begin with, but the show got this far, didn't it? PrometheusX303 03:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

How can you be like that? If you lived in a really hot area and you were miserable and someone gave you an air conditioner and you were happy, then it broke down, wouldn't you want another one?

It's the same way with the ZPM issue, I personally can't stand Atlantis going back to the "cut off from Earth, we have to make due" scenario again. It was ok for the 1st season but now they've gone high tech and have supplies now, if the Wraith come, Atlantis is doomed because this time, they won't send it darts like before, they'll bombard it from orbit immediately just like they tried in "The Seige, Pt. III".

Faris b 03:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Seriously?? No one is angry at this besides me? Then you all should take a visit to the scifi.com Atlantis board and just about everyone is pissed about this.

What? No one else wants to see Atlantis with 3 ZPM's, the know how to make drones, find more Ancient ships and KEEP them?

Faris b 19:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The pogression of this discusiion makes no sense whatsoever. Tobyk777 19:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? Doesn't anyone else care that there isn't a ZPM anymore? With the way the writers do things, it could be another year til they get another one. Faris b 19:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Atlantis should be able to dial Earth, soon enough, per Rodney's plan of building a Stargate network from Atlantis to Earth TerraFrost 01:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, well I guess that's why the writers introduced that idea, because they planned on getting rid of the ZPM, which makes me worry if Atlantis will ever get another one again. I hate the idea of the Wraith thinking Atlantis is gone, I wish they knew it was there but were too busy fighting each other to come there like with the Goa'uld on Stargate SG-1.

But the flaw in that is that you can only carry as many supplies as one jumper will hold, unless they're supplying on any planet, they will barely have room for 1 shipload at a time, if it was on another open planet, they could send 11 jumpers worth, also, the time element. How long would it take to dial 30 addresses to get there? 30 mins probably. (That's how many they'd need, I calculated it). And if there's an emergeny that they need to let Earth know about, it'll be probably like 30 mins or so and then 30 more back so by the time it happened, it may be too late to do anything about.

Plus, since the jumpers are keyed to Pegasus glyphs, can be used properly in the Milky Way? We saw that the Jumper from Maybourne's planet had Milky Way glyphs so they might only work in 1 galaxy.

Faris b 02:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a problem at all because soon, they will find another ZPM. I know this for sure here's how: http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/315.shtml Don't click the link if you dont want a (very minor) spoiler. Tobyk777 02:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, if Atlantis had a fleet of ships unlimited drones, and 3 ZPMS, the show would be boring. They would be invicible and never have any problems to solve. Tobyk777 02:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Not necessarily. The Ancients had all that and they still had to flee.--Andromeda 03:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. Very interesting, I already saw that spoiler but I forgot about it shortly after I read it, now that I know about the depletion of the one from Egypt, which wasn't mentioned before, I think I have it figured out now how they get another one. Thanks a bunch.

Well, I never said a fleet, how about 1 Aurora class ship that they keep? Also, those things would be great for supply runs, they're 4x the size of the Daedalus. Maybe it would be less intense if Atlantis had it all, but I would like to see Atlantis at full power other than the Asuran one(s) or in flashbacks of when the Ancients controlled it.

Faris b 06:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't even like the Wraith any more, they remind me of low-budget dracula-movies. I think they should be replaced with a decent enemy as soon as possible. Maybe the Asurans, or even the Ori. (after all, with SG-1 cancelled, it would certainly be a shame to disappear after only two seasons) This way, even Atlantis at full power could still be in jeopardy. And maybe they need the ZPM depleted to allow the Asurans to invade the city in the mid-season finale. Maartentje 16:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atlantis DID get 3 ZPM's!

The proof lies in the episode "Echoes" which aired last night in Canada on Movie central, it seems they did get 3 ZPM's total, 2 from the Asurans and 1 from the Ancients onboard the Tria. They sent the other 2 to Earth, one for Antartica to properly power the outpost and 1 for the Odyssey to help fight the Ori.

Faris b 08:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean "Echoes". However, there is a problem here which the episodes are vague about. We know that 3 ZPMs were in the city as of the end of "The Return", but we don't know whether all three came from the Asurans or whether they brought only two along to plug up the other two spots. Nothing in the dialogue settles it definitively one way or another, although Occam's Razor favors the latter scenario. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
In Return 1, Sheppard specifically says the Ancients installed a ZPM to power the city, so they could return to Earth through the stargate while Daedalus takes the heavy equipment. There is NO speculation, NO possiblity of denial, the Tria had at least 1 ZPM. - 59.167.44.109 12:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes. It is speculation, for all we know the Ancients could of magically synthesized one. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. Phantoms, Echoes, simmilar titles and all.

Anyway, no, the Tria DID have a ZPM because in the dialog betweeen Caldwell and McKay said that an Ancient ship doesn't have the power to travel for any length of time numbered in the years (10000 or 12 whichever). Plus, the Tria was a WARSHIP meaning it was full of SOLDIERS, I doubt every Ancient knows how to make everything, they had scientists, military personel and such so I doubt they magically made one once in Atlantis.

Faris b 01:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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