Talk:Dungeon Master (computer game)
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I don't really see any direct J.R.R. Tolkien Influence on Dungeon Master. IMHO it's the same as saying that it is influenced by D&D because the story takes place in a dungeon, and there is a dragon in the deepest level of the dungeon. Izwalito 10:03, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't see the Tolkien influence either. Definitely more related to D&D instead. --Pelladon 00:08, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- Here's a bit of trivia from someone who was there. Dungeon Master doesn't have anything to do with Tolkien, at least not directly. There are some loose associations with D&D that came from Andy Jaros, the graphic artist. Andy was the only one on the development team that ever played D&D and at least the concept for the Wizard's Eye (the floating eye creature) and the Shrieker were borrowed from D&D. The character classes (fighter, wizard, priest, ninja) were also modeled on D&D. There were probably some other subtle influences, but really not as much as is probably perceived. What we did take directly from D&D was the name Dungeon Master after realizing that TSR never copyrighted or trademarked the term. It was an admittedly blatant attempt to gain some name recognition, although for a while at least, the term Dungeon Master was better known because of the computer game than because of D&D. (As a side note, FTL had brief discussions with TSR about having TSR market the game. During these discussions we showed a prerelease version of Dungeon Master to TSR, so TSR had their opportunity to object to the name and didn't.) -- Doug Bell 07:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
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- To be fair, Dungeon Master (the computer game) didn't play at all like D&D. It was a world all to itself :). --Pelladon 23:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Both Chaos Strikes Back and Dungeon Master II claim to be THE sequel to Dungeon Master. I note that we have avoided attempting to resolve the dispute here -- should we just fall back on their release dates ('89 and '93, respectively), making Dungeon Master II the THIRD Dungeon Master game? (I suspect the naming conflict exists for reasons analogous to Nintendo's re-numbering of Square's Final Fantasy games in US release.) Pseudo Intellectual 11:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
- There is not much of conflict, actually. Chaos Strikes Back was an expansion to Dungeon Master, not a sequel. At least it was marketed as such - "Expansion Set #1" is written on the front cover and the back cover says "requires Dungeon Master". Still, the game could be run without DM, but the documentation of the original game was required to play it. TerokNor 12:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Made a note in Chaos Strikes Back to reflect that. Thanks for helping to clear it up! Pseudo Intellectual
[edit] Sega Genesis?
User:Doug Bell (apparently the Doug Bell, nice) added Sega Genesis as a platform. Can Doug or anyone else prove the existence of a Genesis version? I have never heard of one. Various collector's lists (like Digital Press) don't mention one. There are no ROM dumps available. If a Genesis/Mega Drive version exists, where was it released? US, Europe, Japan, somewhere else? I know that DM2 exists for the Sega CD, but that is a different game and a different system. Unless I see some box art, I'm not ready to believe that the Genesis version exists. TerokNor 12:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, you are correct, the Sega Genesis was only released for DM II for the Sega Genesis Mega Drive. I don't know what I was thinking :-) I've removed the reference. Doug Bell 16:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NOT THE FIRST ONE!!!
In my opinion DUNGEON MASTER CANNOT be considered the First 3d real time Rpg. I think this title deserve to ALTERNATE REALITY Rpg series by Phil Price, on Atari ST and Commodore 64.
User: Leodegrance, 8th May, 2006
That's true; Alternate Reality (for the 8-Bit Ataris) predated it by a number of years. However, you could argue that combat and other such interations were largely turn-based. 24.91.189.134 18:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
That's not exactly true: AR series had a combat system that was of "real time turns": you had a fixed amount of time to make your choice, if you where too slow, you'll lose your turn. Something very similar to the "live" turns of Dungeon Master.
User: Leodegrance, 17 May, 2006
- If the world stops while you "take your turn", then by definition, it's not real time—it's turn based. In Dungeon Master the world never stopped and waited for you—not while sleeping, not while looking through your inventory, and certainly not while you were presented with your "turn" to do something. In DM there are no turns...you can take any action, or not, at any time. So I think the previous designation as the first 3D realtime RPG is valid, unless there is another example other than Alternate Reality. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 05:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
What about Dyna Micro's Dungeons of Daggorath (1982)? It definitely predates this game. --Matt 21:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Languages
This article mentions that the game was translated from English into German, French, Japanese, Chinese and Korean. I have never heard of any Chinese or Korean versions. Doug, can you confirm if these translations ever existed? on which platforms? Thanks, Christophe (from The DM and CSB Encyclopaedia web site)
- I can definitely confirm it. These two versions were handled by two different companies, respectively, and I no longer recall the names of the companies. These were only PC-based versions, although the exact machines and configurations I'm unsure of. If I can get a hold of Wayne Holder, who is the world's worst person about answering the phone and responding to email, he would probably know. I "think" the Chinese company (although perhaps this is the Korean company) was named Unalys (or something phonetically close to it). I think I even have a copy of the Chinese version, but I'll have to dig it out of the box in my closet. But yes, I can unequivacably state that these versions exist. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 18:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
