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[edit] Suharto
Well, the article's full of dodgy coding, typos, etc. (the same sorts of thing that I was tidying in that edit). I'll have another go at it when I can. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:29, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Dtaspirin, I've responded to your question on my talk page. Thanks for your editing help! Julius.kusuma 01:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bedford Park, Bronx, New York
Hi Daniel. Thanks for joining Wikipedia. Bedford Park, Bronx, New York is an excellent article, all the more impressive since it's your first effort.
You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City (and the associated talk page). A bunch of us New Yorkers hang out there once in a while to talk about improving the Wikipedia coverage of all things New York. We'd love to have you join us.
One issue that's worth bringing up is naming of articles. There's been some debate about how to best name articles about neighborhoods and other geographic areas. One school of thought is that "Bedford Park, New York" would be the right name for an article about a town or city named Bedford Park in New York State, but that for the Bedford Park neighborhood, a better name would be "Bedford Park (Bronx)". I've slowly been coming around to agree that the "neighborhood (borough)" style is the better one.
Again, thanks for getting involved, and welcome to Wikipedia! --RoySmith 12:37, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hello, I'm the author of the article on Norwood. Greetings from across Mosholu Parkway! As you can see from there and from what I updated on Bedford Park, I've been applying the demography template from US cities to New York neighborhoods, with a bit of more detailed flavor. I would be interested in creating a general NYC neighborhood template and am currently considering various free mapping sources, perhaps the NYC map portal Satyadasa 23:19, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Indonesian related articles
Hey Daniel, thanks for your message. I'll help anyway I can but my specialism is about Old Javanese literature. Furthermore I am interested in (Austronesian) linguistics. Meursault2004 28 June 2005 09:21 (UTC)
Daniel, I'm glad that somebody is interested in putting in a broad effort to improve the Indonesia-related articles. Let me instead use this to list potential and known pitfalls, many of which directly address the issues that you had brought up:
- Any article on Indonesian Politics is bound to be Java-centric. The simple reason is that the largest mass of population, wealth, and resources are in Java. Pramoedya Ananta Toer was known to have suggested that the capital be moved out of Java, but of course this never happened.
- Indonesian nationalism is also dominated by ideas proposed and promoted by people from Java. It is known that many people in other regions of Indonesia (such as West Papua, Ambon, Aceh, etc.) do not share the views espoused by politicians in Jakarta. Throughout the history of Indonesia as an independent nation there have been many separatist movements in various regions.
- As a corollary to the above, there are many independence-minded groups among the various ethnic communities of Indonesia who lived in Java even in the early 20-th century. Many of these people were the beneficiaries of the western education that had been made available to Indonesians I know very little about these groups other than their names (Jong Celebes for people from Sulawesi, Jong Ambon for people from Ambon, and so on), but one has to wonder whether (a) these groups, or the activists from these groups, became involved in what became the Indonesian government, and how, and (b) whether they represent the real aspirations of the people whom they represent. The examples are many, especially if you look at the failed PRRI rebellion in Sulawesi in the 1950s, which was supported by Eisenhower. Many of the leaders were Indonesian politicians.
In general though, I think the most urgent action is to expand a few articles which can be used as gateways:
- Indonesian Politics
- Indonesian National Revolution, which I think should include nationalist and religious movements from the 1920s.
- Indonesian War of Independence, most of which material is in the Indonesian National Revolution page at this point.
- maybe a page on the September 30 revolution? In Indonesian history taught in Indonesia it is called G30S/PKI, The September 30th Movement / Indonesian Communist Party.
Anyways, this is already a handful of comments, so let's get a discussion started! Julius.kusuma 28 June 2005 12:55 (UTC)
[edit] Noticeboards
Hi, you're welcome to establish a notice board for any country or region of the world. Just make the page and then tell people whom you think would be interested. =) -- ran (talk) June 28, 2005 23:42 (UTC)
- Just to expand on that... we Wikipedians try not to be a bureaucracy. If you have a good idea, just do it. You don't have to ask permission. Imitating what others have done is a good way to start, but you don't have to. If you make mistakes in the process, it's no big deal; people can help you out. That's what collaborative editing is all about. Welcome to Wikipedia! Isomorphic 29 June 2005 04:28 (UTC)
[edit] Indonesia-stub
Hi - Thought you'd like to know that I've just created Indonesia-stub and its associated category - feel free to use it any time! I used a map rather than the flag on the icon of the template because the white stripe of the flag disappears against the background on some skins, leaving just a red block. Grutness...wha? 7 July 2005 08:58 (UTC)
[edit] Pataki
Thanks for the additions. I just want to point out that Shrewdly is one of the peacock terms. Let the paragraph itself tell us if he's shrewd. patsw 19:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Suharto
Reckon if you want to do 65/66, thats a big art alone - if you know cribb/'s book and the cornell side on this that's just a long one alone. Ibu Tien and Mbak Tutut deserve separate entries, and Suharto's "use of Javanese tradition" is an art alone. Then if you look at treatment of dissidents during his reign, then that's another (I just feel tired thinking of what that would entail on the keyboard) specially if you know the tapol bulletin that used to come out from the uk. I do think there's a need for separate articles, and these dont even touch the pki or other issues again!vcxlor 08:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
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- Good to see that you mainly get positive responses to your "civil war" business, I think after a month or so of not even bothering to discuss any further the title with you, I have found something http://members.aol.com/intwg/antiprocess.htm which might reach the impossibility of relating to you on the subject. Remember one day someone is going to come along and edit your 'pet projects' and you will have to deal with them in a less 'possessive manner' than you did with me! Remember the intros to wiki that specifically point out that the articles are 'not yours' alone. Enjoy peace while you can! Best Wishes.SatuSuro 14:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I think you've missed the point again. After your defensive response on Mersault's talk page, I simply walked away from the issue, as it is quite clear you are too vigorous in your own self defense rather than listening to others. When I found the antiprocess page I thought, perhaps that's the problem. And you consider it rude for me to point out the 'possessiveness' of your stance with the articles you have written? Any luck and you will find that there are very few people who will want to change your articles. :)
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My very original point, just in case it is lost, is that locals - Javanese and Indonesians would not immediately know what you are writing about, as it was _never_ identified as such. Then elsewhere you make a point about the prevalence of outsiders views of writing Indonesian history.(!) Anyways, I am sure you will get many credos for your hard work, and it _is_ all excellent work, I am not in any way criticising your efforts, just your enthusiasm for defending your choice of an innapropriate title. I am not following up any of this in any way, and this is the last of my comments, as I have quite considerable personal issues that severely limit my presence on wiki for over three months or more. Once again best wishes, salaam.SatuSuro 00:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Just to contradict my last statement, the point you make about available re-directs does in fact in effect solve the whole problem!! Sorry, I hadnt tried to see what redirects had been put in. :)
At the time of the first interaction, I thought I was about to get into a fairly massive and comprehensive article writing about central java, as I had an issue about fieldwork that I was doing there years ago, and apart from promising cdc and others that I would get into massive article writing about sacred sites of central java and so on. In _that_ frame of mind I was quite concerned that quite a lot of articles about indonesia seemed at that time to be very limited. However now that I am effectively dropping out of active wiki work for quite a while, It doesnt matter. :) SatuSuro 05:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Indonesia/East Indies military history
Hi Dan. Indonesian Civil War is a good article, which far exceeds my knowledge of the subject. As far as WW2 goes, the web resources are seriously lacking, and I have found this to be the main obstacle to work on the land battles of 1941-42 in the NEI. ABDACOM and the sea battles are fairly well-covered by other sources. As you probably know, the major source, even though it is rather "Dutch-centric" and the English is not great, is http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/ Grant65 (Talk) 04:25, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- You may also be interested in these links/references: a Library of Congress article: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query2/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+id0029)
- This page from the International Institute for Social History: http://www.iisg.nl/w3vlindonesia/ This private page: http://members.tripod.com/~leavis/WWII.htm And this book: Bibliography on Japanese occupation of Indonesia/Indoneshia Nihon senryoki bunken mokuroku (by) Takahashi Muneo, et.al. Tokyo, Ryukei Shosa, 1996. 386p., 27cm. ISBN 4844784544. Regards, Grant65 (Talk) 02:12, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
- BTW, User:Berndd11222 has also expressed an interest in the casualties/damage caused by WW2 in Indonesia. Grant65 (Talk) 02:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
- Hey Dan, I read Indonesian Civil War just now and I am impressed by your good work in collecting, collating, and organizing all the information. Great job!! Julius.kusuma 15:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Indonesia during World War
Hi Daniel:
Grant65 mentioned that you are working on Indonesian historical topics. Recently I have updated the WW2 casualties page.[1] and have listed 4 million civilian dead in Indonesia during World War Two based on John Dowers - War Without Mercy that cited a UN report. Do you know of other sources on the topic? Four million civilian dead is a very serious statistic. --Berndd11222 03:48, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Featured article candidacy for an Hugo Chavez subarticle
I noticed you have listed yourself in Category:Leftist Wikipedians. That said, you will probably be interested in an Hugo Chávez Featured Article Candidacy (FAC). Chavez himself happens to be a socialist politician. As usual, please use your own higher judgment in deciding how to vote on this FAC, if you should decide to devote a few seconds to the matter. Regards, ← SARAVASK — 01:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Good Article for Indonesian Civil War
Hi, I tagged Indonesian Civil War as a good article. It still seems like a good article to me, although it could use the additional important information you list. But I don't feel particularly strongly either way, and I wouldn't throw a fit if you took the tag off pending improvements. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 22:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion of 'left wing wikipedians' category
Hi. I saw you're (like me) listed in this category which is up for deletion. Hoped you'd like to vote in favor of keeping it... Thanks! Larix 02:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Hiya, Yankee Fan
I also live in New York and like the New York Yankees. I'm from Brooklyn -- Eddie 05:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template
{{User:Rfrisbie/Userbox/Antiracist}}
Hi, I made an edit and thought I'd tell you about it in case you don't agree or want to talk about it to a template you made: I think it's a very good idea but perhaps a link to Anti-Racist Action is more appropriate: as well as being a present-day organisation/people, Malcom X was a member of Nation of Islam, supporting a "separate black nation" - essentially apartheid.. (said this in the history too but I thought'd I'd post here so you know and stuff)
I hope you still like it, I have personally added it to my page: I agree very much with the sentiment just not the organisation linked to whom the person linked to was unfortunately a supporter :/
quote from the article about the org: "the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation."
Louis Farrakhan, the leader, has also stated that "White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet." (see again Nation of Islam article)
really a pretty venomous group that's just as racist as white trash like the kkk :/ --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 21:13, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
- Ok I can kinda see your reasons
- But this is a quote from him, in the Nation of Islam article:
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- "Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to black people." --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 22:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of tfd notice
Hi there, I just saw that you removed a template for deletion notice here. Those notices shouldn't be removed until the deletion discussion is completed. Thanks. -- SCZenz 05:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] TYOLD
Hey I have written a reaction on this [page. Meursault2004 16:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anti-Saudi userbox
You expressed some concerns over the alteration to {{User against Saud}} - namely, "do you know, for a fact, that people who have run this userbox are willing to settle for merely "oppposing" the House of Saud, when they in fact they added the template to their Talk pages when it was written "support the overthrow"?" If users have concern that a userbox template might be altered after the fact, the best solution is to use the subst: command to include the entire code, rather than transcluding it. I have included below a slightly modified copy of the "overthrow" version (I replaced the logo with a PD flag to avoid copyright concerns on user pages). You can copy and paste the code on your user page if you want. That way, even if the template is deleted, you will still have the userbox on your page. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 23:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Template:User illegal-immigration-3
Just wanted to say that I love it! :) Robert Paveza 20:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Ditto. Even we English English are immigrants (from around modern day Holland and Denmark). Maybe you should have a look at www.che-lives.com? It's a great leftist site.
[edit] Thank you for voting!
Hello there! I wanted to thank you for taking the time to vote on my arbitration commitee nomination. Although it was not successful, I appreciate the time you spent to read my statement and questions and for then voting, either positively or negativly. Again, thank you! Páll (Die pienk olifant) 22:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Indonesian Civil War
Thank you for your message. Well I don't think it is a bad thing that you have been accused by a user to be possesive of the Soeharto (I consistenly spell this way :-)) and Indonesian Civil War. It just means that you care about these articles in particular and about the history of Indonesia in general. As for Soeharto actually I would like to see that the article is not too sided. Yes, Soeharto was an authoritarian ruler, but he was also a respectable leader of a country called Indonesia. (Not that I am accusing you of something). Perhaps you can also mention some good and charitable deeds he performed. It is as if 3/4 of my life goed down the drain if someone only mentions the misdeed of Soeharto and depicts him as a maniacal dictator.
Now as for the Indonesian Civil War, I indeed object the use of this title. This term is too heavy if you understand what I mean. Yes there were killings and mass murders but no warfare. It is unlike the Yugoslavian civil war or even the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Well I hope I have made clear my statements and thank you for having paying attention to the history of Indonesia. Meursault2004 21:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No Rand template
The censors have deleted it, so I have begun creating leftist-oriented templates in my userspace. Hopefully they won't delete these! Feel free to use it:
| This user opposes Ayn Rand's objectivist philosophy. |
--Revolución (talk) 23:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RFC / MarkSweep
- Please stop by Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/MarkSweep regarding user's recent actions. Thank you! Sct72 00:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fellow defender of free speech
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[edit] Hi
Just wanted to poke you to check out this, where I've asked for opinions about your use of what is in my view uncivil language. Christopher Parham (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Parham = Another censor. Dtasripin = Correct. Just Another Brick In the Wall. Эйрон Кинни 09:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] An apology would seem in order
I note that you have recently accused me of racism. I recognize that you removed the accusation relatively promptly, and for that I am appreciative, but you can't unring the bell. A public apology from you for this baseless allegation would be greatly appreciated. Kelly Martin (talk) 22:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I'm hardly neutral
As I've been kicking and screaming about thie drama for ages. Have a look over my contributions if you'd like. Since I'm having no luck getting the "delete at all costs" crew to lighten up, I'll try with you a little bit.
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- Jimbo, the Board, the Arbitration Commitee, and the 330 or so moderate admins - none of them believe in "freedom of speech". The vast majority of editors who are contributing to the encyclopedia not only do not know about the userbox fracas, they don't care. This means that if this continues to spiral into increasing levels of nastiness, what will eventually happen is that everyone who's a "dissenter" will get blocked for a few months and the the very few "censors" will be less inclined to restrain themselves next time.
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- You're doing yourself no favours here. I neither know nor care about your personal story, but if you've never found yourself alone with several members of the police force and far from the door, try and imagine that you have. That's not the time for shooting of your mouth, or posturing, or calling people "honcho". It's the time to be as polite as possible, to think very cerfully about everything that you say, and to give no possible reason for anyone to lay into you with boots and clubs.
If you (and your cohort) actually want to affect change, then you must appeal to the moderates. You must demonstrate that you are contributing something to the discussion other than bluster. You will find very few admins as patient and tolerant as me, and every time I see someone throw sparks about "freedom of speech" and "censorship" I want to scream. A llittle bit more Ghandi, a bit less Tamil Tigers, is that so much to ask? And please don't say "we'll quit if they will" as the logical flaw with that is obvious. Show that you're the smart ones, make yourself a small target, and quit adding fuel to the fire.
brenneman{T}{L} 06:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ISBNs
just noticed your mention of ISBNs on your user page and wanted to ask you something. have you ever noticed that ISBNs can be totally useless at time? i recently had to get an astronomy textbook and the edition they sold at the bookstore had an ISBN which was nowhere to be found on the internet (after the bookstore sold out of the book and wasn't getting any more copies in). it took me about three weeks to sort through various ISBNs on the internet before i was able to order the right one. i think it was because there was a special printing of the book that only our campus bookstore (run by Barnes and Noble) had. don't worry about responding to this in a timely manner, just wondering if as a fellow college student you had ever had the same troubles i have had. thanks :-) Alhutch 04:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Statement against Jimbocracy
read my Statement against Jimbocracy. --Revolución hablar ver 00:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Meetup in NYC in June
Hi, Dtasripin, I noticed you are a New Yorker. If you are interested in coming to a meeting of Wikipedians take a peek at this and please tell any other Wikipedians that you think might be interested in participating about this event. Thanks. Alex756 02:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] TfD nomination of Template:User antifa-01
Template:User antifa-01 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. PS: I know this a heated subject. I don't care either way on the subject. This was a technical nomination only. If you wish to have a go at somebody, please pick somebody else. If you wish to have a go at me, then fine but I won't respond. ➨ ≡ЯΞDVΞRS≡ 22:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Supersemar
Hi, remember me from the Indonesian Civil War debate? I have just created a page on the Supersemar, and it would be good if you could have a look and rectify any shortcomings. Incidentally, did you know that Cornell University have put all articles published in Indonesia prior to April 2001 online for free at [[2]] ? May not be such a big deal for you, but a boost for us in Indonesia, where many of these mysterious articles are missing from libraries! Davidelit 13:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] G'day from OZtralia
Daniel - i've put the idea up, but I leave it to others - you _have_ put a lot in, and I abstain on the basis there is too much -ve stuff in the belly of wiki, so I would wish a smile, and silence - in a matter of speaking :) SatuSuro 14:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 3RR
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. -Will Beback 20:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Violations of WP:AUTO are not vandalism, and so do not justify violating 3RR. -Will Beback
[edit] WikiProject Indonesia
Hey there, nice to know you. I was thinking probably we could make a well-establish WikiProject Indonesia, apart from the regional notice board. It saddens me that even the Indonesia article is not a featured article. What do you think about that? Looking forward to your reply. Take care and cheers -- Imoeng 08:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I've taken the liberty...
...to edit your anti-scientology userbox. It's a lame joke I thought of a couple days ago. You can revert it if you don't like it. Hope you don't mind :) The Ungovernable Force 09:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Sukarno and Indonesian History articles
Hi, I notice the "politically corrected" version of history for Sukarno and the Republic of Indonesia government has crept back into Wikipedia. Hoping that you are not a student of the Rockefeller / Ford Foundation sponsored US universities; can I relay on yourself to see the fictional propaganda written by Sukarno & Legge is replaced with some actual academic work like CL Penders or Bernard Dahm ? Somebody even wrote that Sukarno was a "popular hero" before the war; I hope you are aware Bechetl and these other corporations are the same ones Mr Bush has been pushing his pro-Jakarta pro-TNI pro-nuclear agenda for since Jan/2001. Suggested US reading: http://fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/Nation/n1916-06-22.pdf http://fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/Nation/n1916-11-02.pdf http://fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/Nation/n1928-06-27.pdf http://fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/Nation/n1944-07-22.pdf http://www.fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/NYT/19500408ed.pdf http://www.fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/NYT/19500427moluccas.pdf
Suggested academic works: "The Life and Times of Sukarno" - http://www.papuaweb.org/dlib/bk/penders1974/
Chapter 1 of "THE WEST NEW GUINEA DEBACLE" - http://www.papuaweb.org/dlib/bk/penders2002/ "Sukarno and the Struggle For Indonesian Independence" -Dahm, Bernhard
I know it comes as a shock to many Americans, but Noam Chomsky really has been telling the truth about the Republic of Indonesia being created by corporate America. Same reason it is still covering up for the genocide in West Papua, see http://fandom.net
I appreciate these kinds of resources are not commonly promoted in most universities, but I hope you can and will be fair to the people of 'Indonesia' and update the Wikipedia with a truthful telling of how the Republic of Indonesia and Generals came to power.58.107.10.36 12:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
