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Contents 1 Irving (Generation M) 2 Eosimias (comics) 3 Non-existent New X-Men characters 4 Mike Marts Confirmation 5 Wolverine 6 A response and a problem 7 Would it be possible to add in a reading order? 8 32 16 or 8 million? 9 198 listing and the Stepford Cuckoos 10 What a mess.... 11 198 List 12 Removed the 198 list 13 The 198 Files 14 Remove Shadow King 15 Captain Britian 16 Felicia Hardy and the Owl 17 Too bad

[edit] Irving (Generation M)

Question. Where was it stated that he is actualy powered and not just one of those who kept theire changed physical apearance?-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.141.63.83 (talk • contribs).-- 11 October 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.141.63.83 (talk • contribs) 16:09 October 11, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eosimias (comics)

Where was this character revealed to be powered and living at the school? I keep seeing him (?) listed in various articles as powered and residing at the school. Granted, I've stopped reading New X-Men, but have not heard anything about this character recently. Breakaway 07:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-existent New X-Men characters

After checking through New X-Men #24 over and over, I did NOT see characters E-Shock, Jet Storm, and Time Master appear in it. M.Factor 04:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Marts Confirmation

Where did Mike Marts confirm all of those mutants to be depowered? M.Factor 04:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Pending some form of citation or confirmation, I've removed both sets of information being questioned by M.Factor. The Mike Marts chart particularly smacks of being based on a private conversation (e.g. "Mike Marts told me at a convention...") rather than a verifiable source. If an editor can confirm these bits of information, revert or pull from the July 24 edit I've made -Markeer 15:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Just for the question which source should we belive about Marrows status Mike Marts or the official Handbook?-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.141.22.141 (talk • contribs).-- 26 September 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.141.26.4 (talk • contribs) 13:46 September 26, 2006 (UTC)

Although we do not use OHOTMU stats, story-related info can be used with caution. Marts can only be used if citation references an appropriate, reliable source and should be clearly marked as having not yet seen print in story form. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Marts can also make mistakes, why don't we simply keep her out of these lists until the status is clear? Also you guys take what is writen in The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe as source to list characters powered so why not Marrow? She is called powered in it.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.141.26.4 (talk • contribs).-- 28 September 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.141.26.4 (talk • contribs) 21:35 September 28, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wolverine

Just changing the Wolverine comic link from the wolverine animal link to the Wolverine comic link. Whispering 21:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC) disambiguation link repair (You can help!)

-- I don't think Alexander Lexington should be included here. The Sentinel Squad ONE series is set before the group's first appearance, which was in a comic set on M-Day. As this book is about the team's formation and training it would be before M-Day, so Lex would still have his powers. I'm not sure if Meld has shown up post-M-Day or not.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.89.224.216 (talk • contribs).-- 18 March 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.89.224.216 (talk • contribs) 20:41 18 March, 2006 (UTC)

Isn't Mr. Immortal Homo-Supreme and not Homo-Superior? Isn't Doorman actually deceased but re-incarnated as an agent of Oblivion with powers granted by Oblivion? Aren't Cloak and Dagger only mutants in a lame retcon that nobody pays attention to, kind of like Doc Ock at the gamma bomb site?-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.30.190.4 (talk • contribs).-- 15 April 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.30.190.4 (talk • contribs) 20:26 April 15, 2006 (UTC)

WHO SCREWED UP THIS PAGE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.251.173.250 (talk • contribs).-- 8 April 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.251.173.250 (talk • contribs) 20:24 April 8, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A response and a problem

First of all, noone screwed it up, this is taken from a official Marvel list.

Second, I have noticed that on every page that the House of M, M-Day, or Decimation are mention a differnt pecentage of mutants losing their powers is used, is there one official number that should be being used on all of them?-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madhackrviper (talk • contribs).-- 21 April 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madhackrviper (talk • contribs) 01:01 21 April, 2006 (UTC)

  Yes, the number of mutants left is 198.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by  70.242.135.113 (talk • contribs).-- 8 May 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.242.135.113 (talk • contribs) 19:47 May 8, 2006  (UTC)

      Wrongo, it has been mention numerous times as an "innacuurate number".      
      Plus, I was talking about the percentage, not the bumer, I've see nthe 
      percentage range from 90-99% --Madhackrviper 23:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Would it be possible to add in a reading order?

Or perhaps a publication order (this one I can do myself). I've searched long and hard checking if there is an order I'm supposed to go in.. Nothing. The marvel site is really a piece of trash, so it's not bee much help.

Also, I added the X-Factor 1-4 in the Decimation line, as it was missing.

--Cryptik 19:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 32 16 or 8 million?

Quoting from the article:

the number has been referred to as "symbolic" rather than actual. Numbers for pre-Decimation mutants vary from "over a million" (House of M #8) to 16 million (New X-Men #115, where it is said that the 16 million mutants who died on Genosha was around "half" the mutant population)

But if 16 million is "half" the mutant population, then the mutant population is 32 million. Alternately, only 8 million died in on Genosha. If someone who has the source could confirm, that would be great. — vijay (Talk) 21:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Around 16 million died on Genosha, leaving (around) 16 million left. Numbers not precise. - SoM 02:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

This is stating the obvious, but there's a lot of bad math concerning the entire matter. At least the Professor X article states that 91.4 % of the mutants were depowered; so if 198 represents 8.6 % of the original mutant population, there were only 2,302 to begin with. Elswhere I've seen a figure of 98 %, which would still put the original count just below 10,000. When in fact narrowing an original of 16 million (based on above statements, I haven't read the particular stories myself) down to 198 would mean a 99.9988 % decrease in numbers. Many people think 1 % a smaller unit than it really is – especially when dealing with large numbers – and this seems to include comicbook writers. --Anshelm '77 00:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 198 listing and the Stepford Cuckoos

Shouldn't Celeste, Mindee and Phoebe be listed as three seperate mutants as opposed to a part of a collective group and a singular member of the 198? Didn't change it of my own accord in case I'm wrong in some strange way...-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.139.193.42 (talk • contribs).-- 20 June 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.139.193.42 (talk • contribs) 13:45 June 20, 2006 (UTC)

198 Questions Some of these characters have not been confirmed as far as I remember. Emplate and a couple of others have not been seen as either powered or depowered. I also think that the Three-in-One and Collective Man do count as one mutant since they were that way in the files.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.206.172.177 (talk • contribs).-- 31 July 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.206.172.177 (talk • contribs) 18:25 July 31, 2006 (UTC)

No, they are different people but have linked powers. That's it. And for Emplate and all the character who were in the Handbooks, if they aren't listed as depowered, then they're powered, Eric J Moreels told me, whn I asked over at ComixFan.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs).-- 13 October 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 18:30 October 13, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What a mess....

This article is a mess- especialy the 198 list! Where have Eosimias, Gregor Smyrdiakov, or "the SHIELD Psi-Agents" reappear? There are no sources! Can we organize this like depowered list?-Merlin Storm

It needs to be mostly deleted because it's inaccurate and uncited. --Chris Griswold 00:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not, although they weren't in the 198 Files, Gregor was in Mutopia X #5 and the SHIELD agents in New Avenger, the Collective story ! --Siemgi

Also, the references section is broken, with a lot of visible HTML markup. Scraimer 21:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 198 List

In one week, I will begin to delete uncited characters in the 198 list. --Chris Griswold 07:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Now lets see- Skids and Indra were confirmed in Blood of Apocalypse(XM) part 1and Childhoods End(NXM) part1, Madame Web was confimed in Feral(ASM) part 4, Negasonic was in Torn(AXM) part1, and....that's all I know. Anyone have more info?-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.251.162.94 (talk • contribs).-- 12 August 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.251.162.94 (talk • contribs) 22:20 August 12, 2006 (UTC)

I edited it for errors (including correct alphabetization), and it was reverted! WHAT THE HELL!Merlin Storm 00:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

And I put the list back on. Talk about having a God complex "in one week I will blah blah blah". Try actually reading a comic book then maybe you'll know that most of these mutants were confirmed as having their powers and part of the 198 in the X-Men: 198 Files one-shot. If you really want to get your jollies, you can delete the ones that aren't part of the 198 and only speculated. Actually, I'll do that for you. Originalsinner 20:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Then cite them. The whole thing is uncited. Did you respond within the past week? If you had, I wouldn't have removed it. Drop the "god complex" accusations and discuss this, and we'll fix it together. Otherwise, of the three of us that have discussed this in the past two weeks, two want it to be gone and only you want it to stay. I do appreciate, however, that you --Chris Griswold(☏) 00:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like point out that I thought you had restored the entire list, but it turns out that you had actually made a great decision to cut it down to the 198 and cite the 198 Files, which is a great start. Thanks. --Chris Griswold(☏) 01:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Now there's the problem. People are getting confused between the confirmed 198 and the remaining mutants who weren't part of the 198 handbook. Which is now ticking me off because after I culled the last list, it got reversed to include the other mutants. This is possibly gonna turn into the same problem the wikipedia has with the Omega-level mutants page. Apart from deleting the list, what do y'all suggest we should do. I know who's been confirmed through the 198 handbook, but the other mutants (esp the D-listers) I don't really know how to cite them. Eg Vulcan and Darwin aren't 198 because they were introduced after Decimation. Oh and sorry bout the God complex dig, but you were sounding like a lil' dictator for a tad (this is a joke)Originalsinner 04:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

So that's the Civil War, Decimation, and Omega-level lists that are having problems with uncited listings. Can you think of any others? I'm going to take this to the WP:CMC talk page so that maybe a larger group of editors can find a solution. --Chris Griswold(☏) 05:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head but I'll keep you posted. It does annoy me as well with all the uncited crud. Didn't realise Civil War was being screwed over as well. Originalsinner 19:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be some confusion over mutants COVERED in the Official Handbooks of the Marvel Universe and who was revealed still powered. Mondo, Mastermind II, etc. may have had entries, but their whereabouts and mutant statuses are still unknown. Also, I have no idea where people are getting all these real name listings for characters like Mondo.

As I said, Eric J Moreels told me that the mutants who were in the Handbooks, and not listed as powered or depowered are supposed powered. That's why their powers are listed in the present tense, for instance. And the name is just people who like to write crap. And by the way, how do you make your name appear ? I can't do that/don't know how. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs).-- 13 October 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 18:40 October 13, 2006 (UTC)

Why did somebody delete that list ? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs).

On another note, I don't believe Quake is actually classified as a mutant with an X-Gene, so I don't think she applies. M.Factor 21:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed the 198 list

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#"Factual" Lists, e.g. X-Men: The 198 Files for details. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The 198 Files

Since this is a book, with entries about the powered mutants, I don't see why people keep telling that its unreferenced statement. And it's no more copyright violation than citing other names is it ?-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs).-- 13 October 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 18:43 October 13, 2006 (UTC)

Actually it is since it's the "exact" list Marvel bought out hence a copyright violation. Originalsinner 18:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, then every article is a copyright violation. And who f***ed the whole powered part up ?-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs).-- 15 October 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 21:20 October 15, 2006 (UTC)

Please sign your posts by adding ~~~~. Additionally, please calm down. Take a moment to read WP:CIVIL. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm not calming down. I am just done here, fed up of constantly trying to make articls better only to have it edited out. Siemgi

Just a thought. Why not make the list just like the depowered list? That'd make it clearer wouldn't it ?

You know what's fun? My work was contantly edited out but that article is a real mess, with fake names, non-mutants and errors. If you really want us to look at you as a moderator Chris, then at least to your job correctly.

You're right: This article is a mess. It's also not a very important article, and I have a life other than Wikipedia which precludes me from fixing all of your sloppy work. Let's wipe the article and start over. Being an admin is not my job, and, actually, I don't ask that you look at me as anything; I'd prefer you not look at me altogether. If you want me to take anything you say seriously from now on, register an account. Oh, and try not to violate copyright anymore. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The last time I tried to make some clean up it was dubbed vandalism. So what should I do ?Siemgi.

[edit] Remove Shadow King

It is stated by the Shadow King himself that he is not the Shadow King of this dimension along with the along with all the other extra dimensional X-Men that fought New Excalibur.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs).-- 14 October 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs) 17:29 October 14, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Captain Britian

Not a mutant. Please remove. He's related to two very powerful ones but his powers are magical based just as Lion Heart's.-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs).-- 14 October 2006 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs) 17:31 October 14, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Felicia Hardy and the Owl

Hi

I was wondering if both Felicia Hardy and the Owl should be included in the confirmed mutants section since both are mutants. Though Felicia is a latent mutant who under went a process to "release" her bad luck powers. The Owl though is a mutant. Just thought I'd ask before adding them.

Thanks

RIANZ 23:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too bad

I thinks it is too bad that the powered section was changed. Listing the issue in which they were reaveled powered next to them (à la depowered) would make the list clearer. And by the way Asp isn't a mutant.

Man, all this hard work and dedication to creating such a really nice list, its going to be so sad when the status quo is returned.--Mullon 04:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually Asp is a mutant. Check out her profile on Marvel.com. RIANZ 00:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)