Talk:Haditha

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Contents 1 Passive Voice Alert 2 Relevancy 3 Watch 4 Separate Article 5 History etc 6 Etymology speculation 7 Population discrepancy 8 Locator map 9 BBC news

[edit] Passive Voice Alert

"The unreleased report of the US military investigation into the event is  said to have  found that 24 unarmed Iraqis, including 11 women and  children, were killed by 12 members of the US Marines" is  said by whom???? 70.114.32.133 02:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Unnamed sources who've spoken to newspapers, channels etc? GiollaUidir 22:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relevancy

"According to James Crossen, who was sitting next to Terrazas when the roadside bomb exploded, women and  children in the area often helped insurgents. It's likely, according to Crossen, that women and  children had given information on US patrols to insurgents which led to the roadside bomb attack.[4] In addition, Terrazas' father said other marines told him they were fighting with insurgents who used civilians as human shields."

How is  the above relevant to the story now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.118.184.104 (talk • contribs).

And if supposedly they were helping do the marines have  the right to shoot innocent unarmed women and  children civilians? and  if they used the children as sheilds as you claim where would the insurgents disappear behind the human sheild?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alromaithi (talk • contribs).

If they were helping the insurgents then they wouldn't be innocent or  civilians. 03:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I also think this paragraph is  irrelevant. it  should be deleted! --Ghormax 12:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

If this paragraph is  irrelevant, then so is  the one "The unreleased report of the US military investigation into the event is  said to have  found that 24 unarmed Iraqis, including 11 women and  children, were killed by 12 Marines from the unit, apparently in retaliation for the death of Terrazas,[6] and  two captains and  a lieutenant colonel have  been relieved of duty.[7]" Mentioning supposed results of an  unreleased report about an  incomplete investigation is  relevant, but what marines on site said is  irrelevant? (FJC)

[edit] Watch

Expect the trolls to flock to this article. Just you wait. Haizum 04:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separate Article

There should be a separate article about the Haditha Massacre. The information about the event is  slowing leaking and  an official report is  expected within 30 days. The segment about the massacre is  only going to get larger and  more detailed. it  only seems fair to have  a separate article. -- nobody 20:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The information about the incident should remain separate. But if information supporting "massacre" is  in this article, then information from the other side, that maybe it  wasn't a massacre, must also be included.

[edit] History etc

Surely there must be more  to Haditha than being the place where a few Marines went on a trigger-happy rampage?GiollaUidir 18:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology speculation

Haditha or  Hadithah as it  is also spelled is  a common arabic town name. There is  a "hadithah, jordan" and  a "hadithah, saudi arabia". I believe the correct name for this town is  "al-hadithah, Iraq".

I am  speculating the name derives from Hadith an  islamic concept that has spawned it's own Category:Hadith --Paul E. Ester 01:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

No my friend it  has nothing to do with Hadith. Haditha has a completely different meaining which is  (new).

I wrote the sentence above and  it is  correct. I just didn't sign it. "No my friend it  has nothing to do with Hadith. Haditha has a completely different meaining which is  (new)." Yes "Al-Haditha" is  the correct spelling but like my name it  has diiferent variations: "Alhaditha", "Alhadeetha" "Al Hadetha" but the popular spelling should be "Al-Haditha". Alromaithi 23:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

And Hadith doesn't mean "new"? Zsero 03:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population discrepancy

The guardian puts the population of haditha at 150,000 Simon Jeffery and  agencies Pro-US mayor killed by Iraqi guerrillas Guardian Wednesday July 16, 2003

[edit] Locator map

I'm working on a new infobox template for Iraqi places, incorporating a new style of locator maps - the Haditha article is  the testbed. Please bear with me until I'm finished. -- ChrisO 17:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I do think that the map would make more  sense with Baghdad on it  as a point of reference. --waffle iron ^talk 17:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not appropriate to use articles for "Tests", you should use the sandbox or  your user space? How long do we need to "Bear with" you? Standard reason for warning a user is  testing on a live article? As an  admin you know all this.... so it's a bit confusing--Paul E. Ester 18:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I've taken off the "inuse" template for now - unfortunately I wasn't able to get the infobox working properly. I'll see if I can get someone else to help. -- ChrisO 20:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem with map: the first map shows the city as not touching the river and  the second map shows it  right on the river. I think the first one is  not entirely accurate in its placement. Badagnani 14:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BBC news

Sergeant Raymond Girouard, Private First Class Corey Clagett and  Specialists William Hunsaker and  Juston Graber - all of the 101st Airborne Division - have  been charged with premeditated murder and  other offences.[1]