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[edit] Arab Anti-Semitism?
What the hell is this? "Arab Muslims use the term Zionist to refer disparagingly to Jews (and occasionally 'the West' in general). It is intended to be offensive, but Zion carries holy connotations to many, so the effect is lost on its target." Seems like an attempt to equate Zionism with Judaism, and characterize anti-Zionists as anti-semites to me. It needs reworking, and the title should be completely rewritten. This is not NPOV at all. --Che y Marijuana 08:47, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
On second thought, it has no place in the article. The word "Zionist" does not have any significance to a discussion of Zion, at least not in the way it was brought up. I have removed it, check above for the quote as it was before.--Che y Marijuana 08:53, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
I'm an Arab Muslim and I haven't found anyone who refer Zion to western of Jew. Zionist are those who believe that they should establish a Jew country in Palestine. Unlike Jew which is a religion.. --User:mohdlawati
Actually this is why I looked up the term "Zion" - because I have on several occasions heard the term "Zionist" used to describe the West by Islamic Extremist groups like Al Qaeda and I was curious why they call us that, I can't quote any sources off the top of my head, but if I hadn't heard the term used in that sense I wouldn't have bothered look up the page =p. But yes the original statement is out of line and needs serious rethinking. --88.2.174.232 00:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Ryuujin
Anti-Zionist Rabbis believe that True Torah Jews, (Jews that believe in the Torah) should serve God and treat other people with kindness, dignity and mutual respect. They are very much against the belief that people that profess they are Jews can have an army and go around stealing other peoples' land and shooting missiles from helicopters. The ten commandments also should be followed by real Jews. The real question is then; what is Israel? The true meaning of Israel in Aramaic means "those that are of the Lord". Therefore, the true Israel is not a physical place with political boundaries run by Russian politicians. Rather it is the Earth itself. True Torah Jews--User:Angelman2405:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)~
† See, I am an Arab and I'm also mixed with other Muslim ethnicities, but I like to think I'm pretty fair about the resolution to the conflict over Palestine. In keeping with that, I want to support the guy who commented just before me. That's good lookin out. I've long questioned how "peace-loving" Jews can steal the lands of others. Thanks for finally bringing some real talk here.
[edit] Rastafari
Source is Dread by Joseph Owens Squiquifox 23:41, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Removed "that for Rastas is the train (or plane or boat) that they dream of carrying them away to their heaven, Zion."
Actually, the song is way more complicated and metaphorical than that. I seriously doubt even in the 30's and 40's anyone seriously expected a train to take them from Jamaica to Africa!! The same "train" metaphor is also found in old Southern spirituals, been covered by Rod Stewart, blah blah blah, but it isn't really vital to this article... Codex Sinaiticus 4 July 2005 17:34 (UTC)
[edit] Zionism
This article does need a reference to Zionism, in that Zionism is an important concept for a lot of people today (good or bad), and Zion is the goal of Zionists. It needs less discussion of anime. Could somebody better educated about this subject correct this?--Cuchullain 15:26, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
Zionism is not a national liberation movement, quite the opposite: it works on excluding non-jews to create a jewish state; a movement to exclude Palestinian peoples. This section needs changing.
[edit] Don't ignore Jews completely
This page does need *some* mention of the Jewish longing for Zion. Considering it's mentioned constantly in the Torah, on Jewish holidays, and in songs such as Hatikvah, it should have at least as much space dedicated to it as there is for the Rastafari longing for Africa.131.104.249.87 05:44, 14 September 2005 (UTC)Permanently Confused
[edit] From Zion National Park
Zion is an ancient Hebrew word meaning a place of refuge or sanctuary. Ksenon 23:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] U2's Love and Peace or Else - "Or your daughters of Zion"
In U2's song Love and Peace or Else, found in their How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb album, the lyric says "Lay down your guns/All your daughters of Zion/All your Abraham sons" (or at least it's what I understand). Personally, I don't quite undestand if it has anything to do with the subject, and I would like to understand about possible wars or religious trouble involving this hill. U2 Meaning of Lyrics article about this song is not clear about it, saying only Bono Vox (U2 singer and lyricwriter) said some things that don't quite explain anything.
[edit] Hagia Zion
A mention of this structure (the Byzantine church which was once in this location) should also be in this article. Would one of the main editors like to add it, or shall I just find a good spot for it? One potential reference is here: [1]. --Elonka 06:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Matisyahu referenced under Rastafari?
Though i haven't listened to his music, judging solely (and perhaps wrongly) by his religious and cultural background, i would doubt that Matisyahu's Zion references are the same as those of African or Rastafarian artists.
[edit] Aramaic definition
Anyone know the source of the claimed Aramaic translation of the term Zion? I cannot find any sources that substantiate the translation of Zion as "pure".
69.156.216.247 18:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC) DK
[edit] Pure?
I have moved this Talk because it seems to be idiosyncratic, contadicted by standard opinion and uncited:
An alternative etymology holds that "Zion" (Tziyyon) is from the Aramaic word meaning "pure". Because a man had to be pure to enter the tent where the Ark of the Covenant was kept, this tent became known as Zion. When the Ark was brought by the Israelites into the Promised Land, the land itself was known as Zion -- pure and holy, because it contained the Ark. When the Israelites were captives in Babylon and cried for Zion, it wasn't only for their homeland, but for the Ark itself, for the state of being pure, holy, chosen.[citation needed]
Paul B 10:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Matrix
Zion is also the name of the "last free city" in the Matrix trilogy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.6.196.170 (talk • contribs).
- Check the very first line and click on the very first link: Zion (disambiguation). ←Humus sapiens ну? 20:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
