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[edit] Big Ugly Boxes
Do we really need them? You know? Those ones near the bottom of the page where plot synopses should be... Why don't we get rid of them and simply update when there's some actual information to update? It just makes the page look very untidy...
[edit] Cleanup
I have tentatively removed the Cleanup warning, but all I've really done is reorganise what was already there. Would anyone who's actually reading the title like to add more detail? Lokicarbis 04:05, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
This page is in desperate need of some cleaning up! I've just been working on the synopsis for the first storyline and it was quite some work! What does the word 'thay' even mean? -- Avengers fan 11:46, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- It means User:Brown Shoes22 has been loose again. If you feel like more cleanup work, go through Special:Contributions/Brown Shoes22 - SoM 16:23, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- When I saw you had directed me to User:Brown Shoes22's contributions page I thought you were just being mean! Lol! Well, now I'm not so sure... Asgardian was in desperate need of a cleanup! One entire paragraph of his bio was repeated twice in two different sections! (The page was actually redirectedto Wiccan when I was uploading his image! Lol!) -- Avengers fan 19:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
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- More cleaning up... I've condensed bios for the founding members (especially Patriot!!!!), and added a link to Scott Lang from Cassie's bio... I still don't understand the repetition in Young Avengers related pages... I mean.. Just... Why? Patriot's mini-bio on this page was more than twice as long as all the others - and was an exact duplicate of an entire paragraph from his own page! However, while I personally don't think it's necessary - I mean, if it is such desperately important information that it needs to be in the Young Avengers article, change it back - as with all of my changes, I don't mind it being over-ruled. Just saying it as I see it... And I still can't think what "thay" means... I'm assuming it means "they're"... Which I think I changed it to... I'll go consult my dictionaries...
- I just did two passes and updated the storyline. I will be focusing more on this entry as it needs much work, and I am a huge fan of the series. Chris Griswold 19:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Patriot
When was it stated that Patriot is the grandson of ISAIAH BRADLEY?
In Issue.3 Patriot unmaked and said he in the grandson of ISAIAH BRADLEY !
[edit] Founding members and stub
Captain America isn't a founding member of the Avengers last time I checked, having been revived from suspended animation in Avengers #4, right? Also, I'm thinking this doesn't qualify as a stub anymore... seems pretty complete to me, given the info we have to go on. Joeyconnick 19:24, 2005 May 10 (UTC)
- He's got founder-priviliges (they put him into their records as a founder in place of the Hulk). - SoM 19:38, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
- Geez, you mean they retcon in the actual comic books as well as in the metasphere? That's... bad. Joeyconnick 03:54, 2005 May 11 (UTC)
- No, he was given founder status for administrative purposes. --Pc13 07:36, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
- Geez, you mean they retcon in the actual comic books as well as in the metasphere? That's... bad. Joeyconnick 03:54, 2005 May 11 (UTC)
[edit] Future Speculation
this is nothing but fans guess, so what is it do here ?--Brown Shoes22 22:53, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Delete the Future speculation section Now. this is nothing but fans guess.--Brown Shoes22 02:53, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- I don't agree. While it is speculation, it is written in such a way as to make it actual information. -- Avengers fan 11:33, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I want to know where the hell "Knightress" came from for Kate. "Titan" for Cassie came from [1], even if the plans have been changed (I suspect for the same reason that a character DC was going to call "Marvel" became Thunder). I've seen nothing anywhere to source that Knightress will be Kate's codename tho. - SoM 12:18, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- Good--Brown Shoes22 03:39, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] First appearance
Stature is Cassie Lang, daughter of the late Scott Lang (aka Ant-Man II)? --Brown Shoes22 15:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Wiccan/Billy Kaplan and Thomas Shepherd (the super-fast teen)
Young Avengers #10 brought up again and again the fact that these guys (except for hair coloration) could be twins.
The Young Avengers Special revealed that Billy's powers -might- be connected to a meeting he had with the Scarlet Witch, before she went crazy.
But what if the connection is deeper than that?
Wanda once had twin sons named Thomas and William...
"Billy" is a common nickname for William...
Eh, it's just a guess.
- Your "guess" is dead on, as that was what the recent issue of YA (11) revealed. The souls of Wanda's created children, stolen by Belasco (basically the Marvel U's Satan) were reincarnated (for lack of a better word) into Billy and Tommy's bodies. That's basically it. They're brothers in a weak sense, and are "related" to the Scarlet Witch and the Vision. Cybertooth85 22:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- My understanding now is that, yes, these are the sould reborn into the bodies of a previously existing Billy and Thomas. I am curious as to when she re-created them: when the original crisis with them happened, or more recently, sometime after Janet Van Dyne accidentally reminded her of them (During Avengers: Disassembled). They each have their own histories, ones which may have been altered to make room for the (incoming/additional) souls. At some point, the Scarlet Witch's influence on them had to end and reality begin; that's another reason I am interested to know when she re-created them. For instance, I highly doubt Scarlet Witch would have wanted her son to be housed in a juvenile detention center.--Chris Griswold 14:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
That's not entirely accurate. While all the evidence seems to support that Billy and Thomas are Wanda's twins, it has yet to be proven. I suspect that a visit to Dr. Strange might be in order. I sincerely hopr though that they are. It might provide some redemption for Wanda and make up for the embarrassment known as Disassembled.GoldenAgeFlash
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- Correct, it has yet to be proven, so we should keep any direct statements about it from the article. However, as maintainers of the article, we can certainly acknowledge the immense likelihood that this is how events will play out. From a fiction-writing point of view, all the information given so far leads directly toward them being the twins. If not, it has been wasted conjecture. Heinberg is a much better writer than that. --Chris Griswold 14:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Everybody please note that Allan Heinberg on the letters page of YA 10 promises that on the next issue, YA 11, Billy and Tommy will learn "the truth" about their origin and their connection to the Avengers. Ergo, what Kl'rt reveals in issue is the truth and skepticism about it is misplaced. Yep, Billy and Tommy are Wanda's twins and Magneto's grandchildren. Das Baz, 6 May 2006, 11:30 AM. (P.S. Note also that as the grandchildren of Magneto, they were Jewish, and in their new incarnations they are also Jewish.)
- Weren't her twins originally just pseudo-illusions/constructs she made with her "Probability Control" powers, and were later revealed to be shards of Mephisto's shattered/scattered soul? I.e., they were never really real in the first place? Dr Archeville 17:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Because this argument is going on in multiple talk pages and I don't want to repeat myself endlessly. -- Majin Gojira 19:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Speedster"?
Can someone please point me to where Thomas is code-named "Speedster?" I have not been able to find it anywhere, including Google searches and Marvel's own Web site. Anyone? Why are we referring to him in this way? Thanks. Chris Griswold 18:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- From continued searching, it just appears that this is a misunderstanding; so far, Thomas has been referred to as "a 'speedster'". Perhaps a Wiki editor took this to mean he was called "Speedster." Chris Griswold 18:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someday there will be a Teen Titans/ Young Avengers crossover and a race between Tommy and Bart the Kid Flash. Looking forward to it. Das Baz 6 May 2006, 11:35 AM.
- Too bad Bart's not Kid Flash anymore. Or a kid. --Chris Griswold 21:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, that is far from being an insurmountable impediment in universes where time-travel is so common. Das Baz, 20 May 2006, 11:51 AM.
[edit] Family Matters Cut By 2 Issues
Will the fact that the final arc was cut by two issues have any significance? Was Heinberg able to fit everything he wanted into 4 issues as opposed to 6?--Radaar 20:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Where did it say it was cut? --DrBat 21:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
On the YA page. Near the bottom, it's in the part about the relaunch.--Radaar 01:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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- This section SO needs to be cut down. Half of the Young Avengers' article is devoted to a single storyline. It's ridiculous!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.151.71.146 (talk • contribs) 12:51, June 29, 2006 (UTC)
- I will try to read #12 today, and then I will condense the entire thing. We don't want long, detailed summaries. --Chris Griswold 19:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- This section SO needs to be cut down. Half of the Young Avengers' article is devoted to a single storyline. It's ridiculous!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.151.71.146 (talk • contribs) 12:51, June 29, 2006 (UTC)
[edit] inuse template
When the {{inuse}} template is in use, please to do not interfere with that article or section until the edit is over. Was that edit really so important that you needed to disrupt what I was doing? --Chris Griswold 23:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Apologies but I did not notice it (jumping right to the "History" page rather quickly. Honestly, though, all I did was make a section of text bold, nothing to even bring it up. And when will you get around to answering my questions in the Speed (comics) talk section? Addendum: Frankly, the fact that you would go about so drastic an edit during a very active debate is quite presumptuous. -- Majin Gojira 00:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not really too presumptuous. I mean, he wasn't changing anything under debate, so the fact that there's an active debate holds no real bearing on what he did. --Newt ΨΦ 02:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well now, there's a foot in mouth for me! I retract that comment, then. -- Majin Gojira 03:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- We should kiss and make up. But not with tongues. --Chris Griswold 05:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well now, there's a foot in mouth for me! I retract that comment, then. -- Majin Gojira 03:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not really too presumptuous. I mean, he wasn't changing anything under debate, so the fact that there's an active debate holds no real bearing on what he did. --Newt ΨΦ 02:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Identical?
The main YA article states that Billy and Tommy are "identical" twins. Even though I understand they they look remarkebly similar I doubt they are actually Identical. Identical means the same DNA, same DNA should mean identical mutant powers (not to mention the same hair/eye color). Unless I have a misunderstanding of how the X-Gene works, that would mean that they would have to be fraternal twins. It would make sense, becuase Wanda and Pietro are fraternal twins. There are instances where fraternal twins favor each other simply because they are siblings, which could be the case for Wiccan and Speed. Arcanum7 00:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stature
Would you say after the events of Civil War #4, has Stature left just Cap's Secret Avengers? Or the Young Avengers altogether?
- The only thing that is said is that she is leaving Captain America's group. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 00:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
