User talk:Yonmei

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[edit] Welcome

Hello Yonmei, and welcome to Wikipedia! Here are some recommended guidelines to help you get involved. Please feel free to contact me if you need help with anything. Best of luck and happy editing! Fabricationary 21:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Getting started Wikipedia Tutorial How to edit a page The five pillars of Wikipedia Manual of Style Be bold in editing How to write a great article WikiProjects Getting your info out there Cite your sources Neutral Point of View Point of View Verifiability Uploading images Image use policy Getting more Wikipedia rules Policy Library Getting help New contributors' help page Where to ask a question Help Desk Frequently Asked Questions Getting along Wikipedians Wikiquette Civility Sign your posts Conflict resolution Getting technical Pages needing attention Peer review Utilities Village pump

[edit] Re:Nominating pages for deletion

Hi Yonmei, thanks for your message on my talk page! I looked up the page you referred to, Leah Luv, and I saw that you placed a "prod" tag on the page which an anonymous user removed. A "prod" tag can be placed on a page only once, when you think it should be deleted and don't think that anyone would disagree. Since someone disagreed (the anonymous user when he or she removed the tag), the next step to try to get the page deleted is to nominate and list it at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion. This link will take you to a page listing three things you have to do to first tag the page for deletion, create a deletion page where other users can give their opinions on whether or not they agree with the deletion, and add the deletion page to the list of proposed deletions for today.

Based on looking at Leah Luv, I think an AFD (article for deletion) might not work - there is a proposed Wikipedia policy on the notability of porn actors, located here: Wikipedia:Notability (pornographic actors). (Also, all biographical pages must meet the criteria listed in Wikipedia:Notability (people).) One of the guidelines for notability is that the actor must have at least 100 movies to his or her credit. According to Leah Luv's IMDB.com page, she has been in 98 movies since 2003, though I don't know if they are heterosexual or homosexual porn. Also searching for her name in quotes on Google yields 386,000 hits, though I don't know how many are relevant (all those on the first page are). In light of those things, it could be argued that she does meet Wikipedia's notability standards.

Please let me know if you have any more questions or need any more help :). Fabricationary 21:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Fabricationary (or may I call you Fab!) that's extremely helpful, both in the particular (this Leah Luv page) and in general. I did look at the specs for "non-notable porn stars" but I missed the "100 movies" requirement. 98 is close enough for tap-dancing. ;-)

Yonmei 18:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userfied

User:Yonmei/Pride in Aberdeen, please tag for speedy when you're done with it. Guy 22:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry, will do. Assumed when I saw "new messages" that it was just another repeat of the comments from this anonymous vandalizer who's been bugging me all evening. Glad it's not: thanks very much for your help. Yonmei 22:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 75.3.23.157's comments

[edit] Mistake

You are making a mistake about the father. 75.3.23.157 20:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No - I am cleaning up a biographical article that has had verified information about the subject removed. Let's continue this discussion on the Talk page where it belongs. Yonmei 20:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no verified information on the subject, he never said he was gay. 75.3.23.157 20:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Some verified information on the subject Yonmei 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

That is an unreliable source. No one's name is attached to it. 75.3.23.157 20:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Some more verified information on the subject Yonmei 20:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place to turn rumors into facts. If this was for any other issues for any other person, then the information would not be included. The only reason it is acceptable in the article is because of anti-Catholicism.

Many people have made many conspiracy theories, none of which are accepted as fact on wikipedia.

You might have a leg to stand on if you were consistent, but your edits are purely anti-Catholic. 75.3.23.157 21:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not anti-Catholic, and you have already been asked today by User:Lordkazan to refrain from personal attacks. Yonmei 21:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Why is it then you allow for the unproven attacks to stay in the article? 75.3.23.157 21:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You are allowing your own POV to colour your opinion. To say that a man is gay is not an "attack", and it is a verified fact that Father Judge was gay.Yonmei 21:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You explanation, 3 people he knew said he was gay, and a few anti-Catholic groups have also said he was gay. 75.3.23.157 21:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have not cited any anti-Catholic groups. Please refrain from personal attacks and slurs - I have already asked you this twice.Yonmei 21:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, people that have worked with Chris Kattan on saturday night live have said he is gay. Yet Chris Kattan is not in any category identifying him as a homosexual? Why is that? Just because there aren't any hate groups that say he is a homosexual? If I created a website, didn't put my name on it, but declared on it that Chris Kattan was gay, then would he meet the qualifications to be in a gay category? 75.3.23.157 21:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

As I have never edited an article about Chris Kattan, nor am I even sure who he is (nor do I care, sorry) this comment is irrelevant. Please stick to topic, and refrain from incivility. Yonmei 21:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Have you heard of Bill Clinton? Why don't you add him to a gay category? Ann Coulter said he was a homosexual. 75.3.23.157 21:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe you have anything useful to add to this discussion. Please do not edit my Talk page with any further comments with regard to this issue. Yonmei 21:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Breaking Wikipedia's Policy

It is against wikipedia's policy to just blank comments from your talk page. You should have your talk page archieved. 75.3.23.157 22:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Please put all of the comments you have removed back in and I won't have to report you to an adminstrator. 75.3.23.157 22:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If you have a problem with my behavior, please do take it up with an administrator. Yonmei 22:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cardinal Egan

Do you know when that link was added in and by who? I am guessing you don't or you wouldn't keep putting it back. We can't just add any random stuff to an article. There needs to be a reason for something to be included. The original editor who put that in did not give a reason nor have you. One article about a man is not notable. There are many articles about the Cardinal, they are all not included. It is wikipedia's policy that not every article about a person is notable. That one article is not notable. 75.3.23.157 22:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You can't just remove any random stuff from an article.

Nor should you have used Bill Clinton as a sandbox, which I take it the addition of an article by Ann Coulter was intended to be. Yonmei 22:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Ann Coulter's claims are no different than that one priests claims. 75.3.23.157 00:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this an acknowledgement by you that in adding the link to that article by Ann Coulter to the Bill Clinton page, you were deliberately doing something you believe to be wrong? Yonmei 07:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moore Catholic High School

If you noticed, I removed content from Moore Catholic High School, why haven't you put that back in? 75.3.23.157 00:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

As another editor has already pointed out to you: WP:POINT. Don't edit a page to "make a point". Yonmei 08:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't act like you know anything, it's clear you are new to wikipedia or you would be responding on my talk page, not your own, or you would leave a message on my page that you responded on my talk page and also leave a message on your talk page stating this is where you would respond. 75.3.23.157 16:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC

Since it's evident you're reading my Talk page with much more attention than you give your own, why should I give myself the trouble of going over to yours unless I have something to say to you that the administrators ought to read? Yonmei 17:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Activism

Reading the article, I am not persuaded that his activities vis-a-vis gay life would fall under the rubric of "activism." I think that both in the name of accuracy as well as consensus-building with other editors we should consider it sufficient that his orientation is openly discussed, and he is listed under the present categories. Regards, Haiduc 10:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

We don't all start with the same baggage. Haiduc 11:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Yonmei, you have no proof that he was an activist. You only have ignorant beliefs that if a person is gay, then they must be a gay activist. This is not true. Yonmei, your hateful nature shines through in every message. 75.3.23.157 16:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from personal attacks. I have added a note to your report on the WP:PAIN page. Yonmei 17:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daley edits

(Titled by "75.3.23.157" Try to be reasonable)

You are not familar with what you are trying to edit now. For instance, the Stroger Crisis had nothing to do with Daley. He had no involvement, he just made one comment on it, that is not enough though to make a whole section about in his encyclopedia entry. That situation is related to John Stroger, not Richard M. Daley. Most of those sections were put in by an anon. user and they are highly biased. Some of them were small news stories, some of which were unrelated to the man the article is about. They also contain highly POV phrasing. Some of the news that might be worthy of mentioning, but are not worthy of an entire section dedicated to it. They would just belong as sentences in the current events section, but a lot of that information added is unrelated to the man the topic about. It is related to Chicago politics, but not directly related to the mayor. I am asking you to be reasonable on this and not allow a wikipedia article's quality to be sacrificed because you have a personal grudge against me. I hope you can respond back to this and be reasonable, not confrontational. 75.3.23.157 19:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "work" of Dralobv

- - Yes, all of his "contributions" have been erased, but not just by me. I think I will send a thank you to Deleuze. I'm glad to hear that you have Important Work--my brain is apparently too small. :-)MrFish^{Go Fish} 18:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Terry Lloyd

Hi Yonmeni - thanks for the prompt - missed sig off by mistake - Sorted now. Taken your request about this out now - hope that's OK. Cheers, --Leigh 13:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Welcoming Congregation" restructuring

Please see my comment on reorganization of the "Welcoming Congregation" topic (replying there). Thanks! --Haruo 07:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] you need to leave Homophobia alone for 24 hours ...

... lest you violate WP:3RR. this is a warning. i'll report the violation if you do it. r b-j 20:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the 3RR warning: appreciated. Of course, you are also at the 3RR limit for Homophobia for the next 24 hours, as is CC80. It will doubtless do us all good to leave it be for a day. Yonmei 00:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

actually i have 1 revert for the day on that article. an edit does not necessarily mean a revert. BTW, you can respond here, i'll watch your talk page. i think that is the normal Wiki protocol. r b-j 00:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-18 Alexander the Great

You are receiving this notice because you have recently commented on Talk:Alexander the Great. You may be interested in the mediation case located here. It is my hope that mediation will help solve the debate, but you are welcome to participate or not participate as you choose. Cheers. --Keitei (talk) 19:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You are mistaken

I have not been removing material from the homophobia article. All I have been doing is ADDING comments to the discussion page.

This comment was made on 10:20, 3 November 2006 by Rglong, who for some reason seems to forget to sign/date his comments quite a lot (and who did, in fact, accidentally blank quite large chunks of Talk:Homophobia, evidently without even noticing that he'd done it).

[edit] A bit quick to delete

is it against policy to put an essay published about this author such as the crtic on orson scott card which, unless im mistaken, you deleted?

if not then leave it and let a discussion be brought to the subject so that the conclusions, which are relevant, can be debated and used by everyone to help illuminate OSC's political views.

This comment was made by 82.255.139.101, at 22:36, 4 November 2006. For some reason, this user didn't think to sign and date their comment.

Yes, it is against wikipedia policy (and illegal) to post copyrighted material on Wikipedia. You will see a summary of wikipedia policy on this issue below every editing window on Wikipedia. It reads: "Do not copy text from other websites without permission. It will be deleted."

Please sign and date your comments in future. Yonmei 23:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic names

I now think it was a mistake to pipe the names in the categories Extrajudicial prisoners of the United States, and Guantanamo Bay detainees. Most of those names are Arabic names. And they don't follow the convention we have in most European names. It makes sense to order European names on the last name, or surname, because it is inherited by children.

IMO, it doesn't make sense for Arabic names. They don't have a "surname" the way we understand it. Their names works more like old Norse names, or names in Iceland. Consider Nasrat Khan's son Hiztullah Nasrat Yar. Khan's "first name" becomes Hiztullah's "last name". Kind of like "Eric the Red" and his son, "Lief Ericson". So, IMO, it doesn't make sense to sort on last name. I noted this in the new Guantanamo categories I created.

Does this make sense to you?

You recently piped some of the articles you added to these new categories. If you don't agree with me, can we discuss this further, before you sort more articles on the person's last name?

Thanks!

Cheers! -- Geo Swan 14:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I have seen a couple of people make this mistake. You put your reply on User:Geo Swan, not User Talk:Geo Swan. You probably know this. Additions to a contributor's User Talk page cause the wikipedia to give you a heads-up. But contributions to their User page doesn't.

I was wondering why I hadn't seen a reply from you. And now I think you were probably wondering why I wasn't reply.from me.

Oh well. I am going to move your comment to my talk page, and respond there.

Cheers! -- Geo Swan 08:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

That fellow who has studied Arabic did offer his opinion on the optimal sort orders for Arabic names.

But, like I said, trying to put those names into a last-name, first-name order is a temptation that is going to continue to occur over and over again, because people will follow the examples of organizations like the DoD and the Washington Post.  :-) -- Geo Swan 13:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Cheers! -- Geo Swan 13:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homophobia

Just so you know, from a third perspective (mine) it doesn't really seem like RBJ is attacking you at this article. Can you be more specific as to what statement you're actually talking about? CaveatLector^Talk 01:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw this and felt exhausted at the thought of providing you with every damn example of where RBJ is trying to turn this into a personal attack on me rather than discussing the issue, but RBJ just did it for me - and still seems to think that none of this constitutes a personal attack. Yonmei 18:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Yonmei - thank you for your message. I'm here to add in my two cents. I don't feel qualified to comment on the different opinions on the wording of the Homophobia page, but from what I've seen on the article's talk page, your talk page, RBJ's talk page, and the mediation page, I'd say you've done a great job at staying calm and polite, and refraining from personal attacks. RBJ seems like a very intelligent guy (that stuff about electrical engineering on his talk page went way over my head) but has been blocked several times for 3RR violations. Both he and you seem interested and perhaps personally invested in the topic of homophobia/LBGT rights, and it's to be expected when two such people meet, especially online, that there'll be some disagreements. I don't know how this issue started, but in its current state, I'd advise you to continue to be courteous and perhaps stop using those templates about personal attacks. If I were RBJ and I got those posted on my talk page or on other Wikipedia pages, no matter my intentions, I could see how I could be a bit put off if someone kept implying that I was making personal attacks and informing me of the consequences. Both you and RBJ have been here a while, so I'm confident that you two know the ropes, whereas the best use for the personal attack template (in my opinion) is for a new user who may, perhaps out of inexperience with internet socializing in general, be a bit too brash towards others. However, I don't find anything objectionable about how you've handled the situation so far, but please remember that while your passion and effort to share your knowledge here is noble, there comes a point where you have to detach yourself and your investment from a page that anyone in the world can edit (though not now since the page is protected, hehe). It's tempting to always put in the last word, but your previous words and actions here are readily available, unalterable, and will make a stronger statement for your case than repeated iterations. I hope mediation goes well and the situation improves. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Fabricationary 05:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homophobic Homophobia

Sorry to be talking about this subject, which I suspect you might be starting to get sick of, but I've been looking at it, reading the talk page, and would like to make a contribution, but don't feel entirely qualified until I know exactly what the homophobic elements of the article are. I (think) I can see what you mean in the ""Homophobia" as applied to political figures" section, but might have missed some, and you seem qualified to know. Cheers =) Gekedo 21:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Barnstar for you

A LGBT Barnstar (currently under proposal) is hereby awarded to Yonmei for his/her tireless efforts to combat homophobia on the pages of Wikipedia, particularly on the homophobia article page itself. Keep up the good work. Wikipedia needs more members like you. Jeffpw 08:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• And here's a tag you might find useful:

The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view of the subject. Please improve this article or discuss the issue on the talk page.

Jeffpw 12:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

"His" ... hee-hee. That's quite an assumption about someone who hasn't (afaik) identified gender @ wiki. --LQ 12:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oops and damn! Where's that damn OOPS userbox when you need one!?! I just checked out your userpage and saw the Feminist userbox....and what's worse is that *I* had a "non-sexist prose" userbox on my page 'til I blanked the page. Thank you for accepting this award in the spirit it was intended.

yours in chagrin,

Jeff

[edit] 66

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Sixty_Six - He has a pretty long history if your interested. Matthew Fenton (talk · contribs · count · email) 10:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homophobia

I have alot of things I do here on Wikipedia. I have already suggested a compromise for the definition What other issues are there? -- Selmo ^(talk) 01:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] good edit

I saw you took that paragraph off of Homophobia. I figured I would say "good job" on that. I agree that death threats of this type are rare. Peace. See also: wikipedia:wikilove MPS 20:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homophobia

I'm going to suggest that you take the case to WP:MEDCOM. This issue seems pretty heated. -- Selmo ^(talk) 03:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)