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[edit] Stubs

We should come up with a list of items an article needs to have for it to not be considered a stub. Ex. History, Names, major junctions etc. For instance, MD 10 in my opinion should be considered a stub, but who am I to say what is and isn't. Hollowman512 23:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

True. While there is WP:MDRD/EG#Structure, that's pretty much something I threw together based off of some US highway articles. It would make a good starting point though to decide what should be in an article. Basically what we should do is decide which sections from there should be required and which should be reccomended, and possibly even ammend it to include more sections. Then, any articles that do not have all of the required sections will be marked as stubs.-Jeff (talk) 02:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, one thing that should be in the structure is the route box. I was also thinking exit list would be a good thing to add too, but if we do that we should come up with an official way to list them.Hollowman512 21:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, "Major junctions" can also be named "Exit list" for freeways. Also, for routes that are freeways for part of thier length, exit list could probably be a subsection of major junctions. I've rearranged the reqiurements now under WP:MDRD/EG#What makes a full article? and the section on the routebox is now grouped under there. Another thing I think should be reqired is the counites traversed and cities and towns sections, as long as the route passes through more than one. MD 10, for example wouldn't need a counties traversed section since the whole thing is in Anne Arundel County. Junctions should be listed west to east, or north to south, however, they are usually numbered south to north, so the question is, do we go with the natural ordering or do we go order according to exit number?-Jeff (talk) 23:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Is there a way to take a poll, or is it even necessary since we dont have that many participants.Hollowman512 21:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm hoping some more people will take part in this discussion so we can come up with more of a consensus. I put up a news item on it, so we'll have to wait and see if anyone else wants to contribute to this.-Jeff (talk) 01:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Here are some of my ideas of what sections we should have:

  • Counties traversed: omitted if only one, required otherwise
  • Cities and towns: omitted if only one, required otherwise
  • Route description: required (a standard section found on just about any highway article)
  • Points of interest: optional (not all routes pass thorough interesting places)
  • Major junctions: required (should at least include termini)
  • History: optional (some routes don't have a history worth telling)
  • (sections for letter-suffixed rotes): optional (only if the route has any)
  • (other sections) optional (ex. Intercounty Connector#As part of the Outer Capital Beltway)
  • Related routes: optional (if any, will be followed by "see also" and other standard sections)

That's basically what we have now, just assigning what should be required in a non-stub. Also, all non-stubs should at least include a routebox with the parameters filled in, just putting a routebox on the article without parameters does not constitute giving it a routebox!

Well that's all I can think of, if anyone has any other ideas of what should be included please go ahead and post them.-Jeff (talk) 02:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It is 6am, so I could probably think up more if it were later in the day; but I would particularly like to see the length and alignment (North-South; East-West). Regarding Jeff's points, I agree with them all: specifically in providing information on the termini; but we may wish to keep the Cities and Towns section restricted only to incorporated cities. There are a number of neighborhoods which have their own zip codes and often refer to themselves as their own towns, but are otherwise just a typical residential subdivision. Good example: Ashton, which even drafted its own Master Plan; or a more well-known example: the Kentlands. --Thisisbossi 10:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
One restriction I would definitely place on this is that if a place is a neighborhood of an incorporated area it is not its own town to be listed under the cities and towns list. If a route passes through Baltimore we won't list the neighborhoods it passes through, we just say it passes through Baltimore period. And if it passes through the Kentlands, we will say it passes through Gaithersburg. When it comes to unincorporated places though, that's a bit more tricky. In rural areas there are some unincorporated places that do have characteristics of towns, they have a downtown area (usually a Main Street) and are surrounded by rural land, there's no mistaking that they are "towns", despite being unincorporated. I think we should include areas outside of corporate limits that consider themselves "towns", but be conservative in which ones we list if necessary to keep the sizes of the lists down.-Jeff (talk) 18:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Should we make it a requirement that some kind of photo needs to be on a page before it isnt a stub? I have a picture of the eastern terminus of MD 177, so maybe a requirement could be to have pictures of the routes termini.Hollowman512 22:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think images are nessessary for non-stubs, but if an article is in need of an image, I'd stick an {{image needed}} template on it.-Jeff (talk) 01:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions debate

If anyone here hasn't seen the oversized link in the news box, or simply hasn't decided to take part in the debate (which I wouldn't blame you for), here's what's going on: First of all, it doesn't seem like we are going to have to move our articles no matter how this turns out. There are two main "principles" that are being decided between, the first favors preppending the state name to route names, and the second favors Wikipedia-style disambiguation (route name (state)). Our naming convention already follows the first principle, and the second has already allowed Maryland and some other states as exceptions. This will soon come down to a state-by-state debate and the debates will be held at each wikiproject (starting Sept 4). I don't know if we are supposed to have another discussion on this or if we can just cite the old one, but we'll worry about that when September 4th comes.-Jeff (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

"You can leave them out if you can link to the discussion. Just make sure that the convention is not stable because all the pages are there or they were moved there (for example, CA and WA). --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 21:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)" This is referring to states that have already decided on a stable naming convention, which we have, and it follows both principles, thus we won't even need to have another discussion on this. We just have to make sure we link to the discussion.-Jeff (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
And now it's official, we will be keeping our current naming convention: Maryland Route X.[1]-Jeff (talk) 19:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2

Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Route description order

Should the Route description, Cities and towns list, and Major junctions follow the same order convention (i.e. North to South, West to East) as the Infobox? –Shoaler (talk) 11:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, for consistency I'd say it makes sense.-Jeff (talk) 17:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baltimore City

It doesn't seem to be linked on their site, but the SHA has a 2005 Baltimore City Highway Location Reference at [2]. --NE2 20:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, nice find, didn't even know that HLR existed.-Jeff (talk) 01:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standard for major junctions section

I've been working on a standard style for listing junctions, it can be found at user:Jeff02/test page#Road junction table, it's based off of the Interstate exit list table. If we need to, we can add collumns for example, for exit numbers for highways that have numbered exits. As far as what junctions to include, the best rule of thumb I have come up with is include junctions with signed numbered routes and junctions with other major roads. Comments?-Jeff (talk) 06:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

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