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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Archive 1 - includes sections "Proposal to Change Name", "Missing Links", "Timeline?" "First 'real' order of business", "Non-LDS", "William Marks", "List of articles about Mormonism", "Latter Day Saint texts", "Stale?", "Images", "RSS", and "Excessive external links being seen as spam". Archived January 7, 2005.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Archive 2 - includes sections "Consistency in referencing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (although far from being a dead issue), "Hi this project doesn't have anyone working on it.", "New article", "XENU", "Latter Day Saint", "FLDS temple in Texas", "History of the Latter Day Saint movement", "User:John Hamer and Golden Plates", "Person surnames vs. given names in articles", and "Comments within articles". Archived February 4, 2005.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Archive 3 - includes sections "Define Terms" "January 28, 2005 anon Temple edits", "Page move", "Front page miscs", and "Collaboration of the...". Archived on April 29, 2005.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Archive 4 - includes sections "Church Units" "Cool Project/Good Group", "Participant responsibilities", "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?", "Naming and referencing, revisited", "proposal to merge Creator god into creationism", "Project Box", "Organization", and "Housekeeping". Archived on April 29, 2005.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Archive 5 - includes sections "Joseph Smith, Jr. Article, Anti-Mormonism", "Project Organization", "Salamander Letter", "Featured article candidates", "Timeline?", "Sister Hinckley's Article Deleted", "Use of "Mormon fundamentalist"", ""The Church" vs "The LDS Church" or "the church"", "128.252.144.88 is mischievious", "Make an Alert Page?", "Polls", "Mormons aren't Christian?", "Fortnight Article", "Proposal to rename pages", "J. Reuben Clark", "List of Members of ...", "Newel or Newell?", "J. Willard Marriott", "Dispensation", "LDS Relief Society Presidents", "Tone of discussion with Anti-Mormons", "Word of Wisdom", "Joseph Smith as featured article", "Be aware", "Book of Mormon proper names: Hebrew and Arabic versions in the introduction?", "LDS section in Missionary article is very long", "Rename title "Polygamous clans of Utah"->"Polygamous Mormon fundamentalist sects"?", "Hornets nest at Church of Jesus Christ in Zion", "Nauvoo question", "Stephen L Richards or Stephen L. Richards"

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Archive 6 - includes sections “Merge Book of Mormon People;” “FYI;” “Also;” “Caretakers of the plates;” “LDS WikiPortal?;” “Signature Book links;” “Non-Christian;” “Smith Family;” “Angel Moroni copyright question;” “Book of Mormon Index use for disambiguation;” “Book of Mormon disclaimer;” “Hi, everybody;” “Mormonism and Christianity;” “Article ratings;” “History of the Americas / Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact;” “Spanish Wikipedia;” “United Order/Isaac Morley;” “LDS Church Membership history;” “Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr. to be featured on Main Page;” “Sign-up;” “Fiery Furnace;” “Faith-promoting history (LDS);” “Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints;” “Mountain Meadows Massacre;” “Welcoming new participants / handling anonymous and well-intentioned but oblivious editors;” “Welcome to Wikipedia;” “Copyediting / Links;” “Confusion about the project;” “LDS Temples Pictures;” “When I'm done with a task...;” “Mormonism for new readers;” “Other Wikipedia languages;” “Template:LDS;” “Calling all mystics!;” “Request for Assistance on Joseph Smith article;” “Restructure of article relationships;” “New talk page template;” “Re: { {LDS} } Info Box;” “Calling all editors...;” “Attention: Categories up for deletion or movement;” “External Links on Temple Pages;” “Project page cleanup;” “Joseph Smith, Jr.;” “Book of Mormon character naming convention;” “Polaris;” “RUXLDS;” “Links to http://scriptures.lds.org;” “Atonement article review;” “Bible study;” “AfD”

[edit] Baby Blessing

I have created the article requested on baby blessings. Please read, edit, feast, enjoy, rip apart, check for NPOV, change, or otherwise change or dismember the article to make it better. I make no claim to its perfection and welcome any input. Thanks. --Pahoran513 22:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The main problem I see is that no references have been cited. The Gospel Library may contain some sources we can use though. --Lethargy 21:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New lds theology article

There has been some discussion of where to put Animals in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I was thinking that a theology article would be a good place to start as their are quite a few articles to draw from Category:Latter Day Saint doctrines, beliefs, and practices and a good summarization of this material would be good, and articles like Animals could then be broken off into minor theology articles, or individually as needed. Thoughts?? --Trödel 20:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portrayals of Mormons in popular media

is on the main page, and I didn't see anybody I know in the history, so I thought I'd post it here just to make you all aware of it. :) cooki e caper (talk / contribs) 02:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0

Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team for Wikipedia 1.0 would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please add to the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement article table any articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist like this one automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! Walkerma 04:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Woo-hoo! The Mormons get in version 1.0! That table is currently empty. I nominate Joseph Smith, The Book of Mormon, the Golden Plates, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Latter Day Saint movement (initially) as articles for it—just for starters. Anyone else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr. should be there also since it is a featured article. --Trödel 16:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Part of a series on the
Latter Day Saint Movement

Latter Day Saint movement
Denominations Mormonism · Latter Day Saint Mormonism and Christianity
Movement history
Church of Christ · Succession crisis LDS Church history Community of Christ history
Latter Day Saint texts
Book of Mormon · Book of Commandments Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible Doctrine & Covenants · Book of Abraham Pearl of Great Price
Significant leaders
Joseph Smith, Jr. · Oliver Cowdery Sidney Rigdon · Brigham Young Joseph Smith III · James Strang
Unique beliefs
Views on Godhead · Views on Jesus Priesthood · Articles of Faith · Restoration Mormonism and Judaism · Temples

I say that Joseph Smith, Jr. (and all of its subarticles about Joseph Smith), Latter Day Saint movement, all of the denominations listed on that page, History of the Latter Day Saint movement, The Book of Mormon, Golden Plates, and everything in the LDS template. Are we limited based on number of articles or space occupied? Val42 01:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Who added the table to the right? How about all the articles in the table for this one? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I shall put these into the table when I get a chance. I suggest listing the articles specifically mentioned in the above postings as "Top-importance" and others found in the template on the right go in as "High importance." Does all that sound OK? Is the early life featured article one of the top importance ones, or just high importance (i.e. ignoring the article quality aspect altogether)? Thanks, Walkerma 20:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endowment

I added some proposed content to Talk:Endowment (Mormonism). I would appreciate knowing if any of it might be acceptable. Thanks. Agape bright 00:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

p.s. I have personally invited User:Alai and User:John Hamer to offer their support if they happen to see anything worthwhile in my proposal. I invited them personally because I understand they are not affiliated with the LDS Church, and I have a feeling I may need a little support. I sincerely hope in the spirit of my user name that there is something useful in my proposal, and that my motivation is in reality and perception 100% loving. And I beg standing Wikipedians please to not reject my proposal out of hand if at all possible. Agape bright 00:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wives

Hi, is there any reason that there are 2 sentence stubs for all of Brigham Young's wives, see Category:Wives of Brigham Young. Wikipedia is not a genealogical database, these articles would be more easy to access and far more useful as a list (and they are all in his article anyway).--Peta 10:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. state article POV: Mormonism and Christianity

How do we address POV problems in state articles which place a Mormon category outside of Christianity? For instance, Arizona has a section with percentage of Christians, and places Mormons in a separate section, "Other religions", even outside of the "Other Christianity" section already there. (They also had a link to freemasonry labeled as Mormon.)

The Pennsylvania article avoids the issue by never using the word "Christian". We need to have some sort of standard about how to avoid POV problems in demographics sections, possibly by avoiding clumping things into a Christianity section, and instead simply state church names and percentages.

Any thoughts? --Lethargy 17:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with the PA article. I revised the AZ page to include Mormon under Christian. Somebody can check later and see what happens to that edit. ;^) wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 17:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I double checked the AZ article, and the percentage of Mormons was included in the Christianity totals, but the Mormon entry was under "Other religions". Perhaps someone recently vandalized this page, which would explain the link to freemasonry. --Lethargy 17:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You are correct. An anon moved Mormonism from Christianity to Other and changed it to freemasonry. The same person (or IP address, at least) vandalized Newspeak as well, which I fixed. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 18:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HELP: Major merger proposal

Without commenting on the merits of the proposed merge - I just wanted to notify project members that a proposal to merge a number of articles has been made.

This shows a complete misunderstanding of a movement versus a denomination - I would summarily delete them all as being impossible to pass under the snowball rule, but last time I did that I got bit.

The articles in question:

I am sure there will soon be others since the user stated: "there are nine (9) pages on Momonism as of today (maybe more are hiding)"

What is the best way to put a stop to this nonsense? --Trödel 16:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Not realizing it was a mass effort, I simply deleted the merge proposal from Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since there was nothing on the talk page discussing the merge. The merge request isn't there since I removed it, so maybe it will blow away.

Not sure what would be the official way to diffuse the effort, but it seems pretty silly to me. A single article would be entirely too big and not much use. I guess I should check to see if they are also trying to merge all the Final Fantasy articles into one. ;^) wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 16:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Checking the Talk page for the new user, I would assume that it is a misunderstanding, and we can simply remove the merge requests. If they get re-inserted, then we should look into how to resolve the issue. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 18:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks User:COGDEN --Trödel 19:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories to rename

Category:Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Category:Presidents of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints need to be renamed to have a capital "The", and pages using those categories also need to be fixed, if anyone is willing to do this. --Lethargy 18:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I put these up at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy. --Lethargy 21:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New format for list of temples

List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints recently underwent a review for Featured List status. The former "Status" column was seen as redundant since the chronological organization structure makes clear what the status of each temple is. The addition of the Notes column to hold information about currently closed temples or temples under construction is blank for most of the temples. Thus, there are two proposals for organizing the list to eliminate this mostly blank column.

Please review and comment. Thx in adv --Trödel 14:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Temple Square

I have submitted Temple Square for the Mormon collaboration, but even if it doesn't pass, I wonder if anyone is knowledgeable/bored enough to help me expand this article? I would also like to expand the articles about the buildings in and around Temple Square, such as the Salt Lake Temple, Salt Lake Assembly Hall, Salt Lake Tabernacle, LDS Conference Center, etc. but I am unfamiliar with much of the history of these. The Salt Lake Temple is the most famous temple and has become a symbol of the LDS Church, so it should be a high priority article.

Currently all of these articles are unreferenced, so we'll need to find references we can use. --Lethargy 01:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LDS Temples WikiProject

If there is interest in such a thing, I would like to start a WikiProject specifically for temples, which aims to improve and maintain these articles: List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Is this worth creating? --Lethargy 01:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I would think so. Pahoran513 01:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this since the query was posted, my first thought was - we can hardly get people (myself included) to participate regularly in the COTM, we don't really need a another project and its overhead.

However, reviewing the subprojects of other projects, I could see this as being useful. And provide a place for documenting how the articles relate to each other, and how the templates work, etc. Thus I would support such a project. I would like, however, to get the List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints up to featured status first. Then I'd be happy to help provide documentation, etc. --Trödel 01:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll hold off on creating it until you (and others) have more time to help out. I haven't started a project page or anything yet, so I'll start thinking of how it should look. It would also be a good idea to wait until that list is featured, so we start off with an article we can point to as an example. --Lethargy 02:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I struggle with how it will be percieved politically on wikipedia - especially with the lapse of effort in the current project. I'd rather see this project focus on that subject for a time to bring it up to good or featured status - then focus the next topic, whatever it be, but create a portal-like categorical structure for temples would be more beneficial, imho. We tried and were partially successful with the "series on Joseph Smith" infobox and related articles, but I think that a similar grouping for temples would be great rather than a wikiproject. hope this makes sense. Just my thoughts... -Visorstuff 16:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Similar grouping or portal-type series could include the follownig:

Series on Mormon Temples
Series on Joseph Smith
Series on The Book of Mormon
Series on Mormonism controversies (exmormon, anti-mormon, mormonism and christianity, etc.)
Series on Mormon doctrines
Series on Latter Day Saint history
Series on Mormonims and Pop culture (including exmormons, etc in pop culture)
Series on Latter Day Saint leaders
Series on Latter Day Saint denominations

Thoughts about these groupings as series? -Visorstuff 16:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon pioneers featured for Pioneer Day 2007

I brought this up at Talk:Mormon pioneers, but I'll alert this project as a whole: We (mostly BRMo) managed to get Mormon handcart pioneers featured in time for the 150th anniversary this October. Let's see if we can pull that off again with the Mormon pioneers article, aiming to have it on Wikipedia's front page for Pioneer Day (July 24) 2007, which will be the 160th anniversary of the pioneers' entry into the Salt Lake Valley. Since it takes awhile for an article to be approved for the front page, I'm guessing we should aim to have this featured a few months before July.

I have nominated this for the Mormon COTM, if you are able to help out with this, add your comments or votes there. Hopefully it isn't inappropriate to mention the vote here, if it is I will remove this. --Lethargy 00:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormonism and Judaism

Hello all. Take a look at Mormonism and Judaism and my proposed split, see also Talk:Mormonism and Judaism. Kaisershatner 18:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template revisions and future directions

User:COGDEN has been making several changes to the general template about the LDS movment. While I think these are being done in good faith, I think it is wise to begin a discussion about what real limits ought to be place into this general template and perhaps some new directions as well.

Certainly the catagory system of Wikipedia works out well to do some searches, but it is also reasonable to use a template as a sort of quick navigation link for related topics as well, as it only takes one click to move to related articls as opposed to two clicks going through category pages. As has been pointed out by this user, the template was getting overloaded simply due to the very large number of LDS-related articles in Wikipedia now and it needed to be cleaned up. My main objection was that the cleanup happened without discussion, so I'm starting the thread here.

I would also like to propose themed templates that would cover a much more narrow focus that could be included or substituted for the general LDS navigation template. This could be something like Template:LDS Leaders, Template:LDS Historical Locations, Template:LDS Canon, etc. Perhaps these more narrow focused topics could also be integrated into the more general LDS template but with some sub-section that would change based on the general category, with the more specific topical areas changing based on general categorization of the article.

Certainly this is something that needs some wider participation than a discussion on an obscure template talk page. --Robert Horning 18:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Book of Mormon Pictures

I´m not a official member of this project but I need your help.I created the Portal:Latter-day Saints and I need some pictures of Book of Mormon storys. For example some paintings of Arnold Friberg. DAde 20:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Friberg's paintings have to be used under Fair Use copyright rules, and I'm not sure you could easily do that in the portal. It's possible, but you have to know what you are doing, and be familiar with U.S. copyright law. Roughly, you'd want to use it for commentary on the painting itself, rather than as an illustration of the painting's content. (No legal advice intended.) COGDEN 20:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Can someone ask Arnold Friberg if he wants to licence his Book of Mormon pictures for wikipedia?DAde 21:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I would put the liklyhood of this to practically nothing. The Friberg pictures have been (and are still) commercially reproduced and an attempt to provide a GFDL-compatable version would be contrary to the business interests that are involved.

On the other hand, there is a book about the Book of Mormon with a 1925 (approximately) copyright date that has some interesting pictures of Book of Mormon events that my wife's grandmother has. I've been trying to steal (or beg, borrow, grovel) to get access to that book where the images are very likely in the public domain due to copyright expiration. Either that or try and get some Wikipedian to help out and donate some original artwork about this subject.

The Friberg pictures, for good or ill, are what most current LDS think about Book of Mormon events, however. They would be difficult to replace, particularly as the LDS Church seems to have adopted those pictures as the "official portraits" of several people mentioned in the Book of Mormon, giving these images iconic qualities. --Robert Horning 19:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Any idea what the title of that book is? COGDEN 20:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The most important picture is a Christ visits the Americas picture.We need a picture which shows Jesus in the Americas. This are the most powerfull images of the Book of Mormon.84.146.233.136 15:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links in temple articles

Is it a good idea to have the exact same links (lds.org, Mormon.org, and a few about temples in general) on every temple article? That just seems like spam to me, and these links would be more appropriate at Temple (Latter Day Saints) or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Of course links that contain information about the specific temple in the article are completely appropriate, but this is ridiculous.

Perhaps we should collect a list of these links and request a bot to remove them. Comments? --Lethargy 05:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I checked out a few articles and I see what you mean. I agree with your assessment, but I don't think that we need a bot to remove the extraneous links. But I think that we should have at least one more person agree before we go and do it. Val42 16:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FamilySearch

FamilySearch has been nominated for AfD. Anyone care to weigh in on this? One of the reasons given for the AfD is that the article is "mormoncruft". -- 63.224.136.62 03:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] religioustolerance dot org

I came across over 700 links to this organization, Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance. The site has a ton of ads but on the other hand, it has content (and a Wikipedia article).

Normally, such an ad-intensive site with so many links gets attention at WikiProject Spam for further investigation. Even if it's not spam, many links may often get deleted as not meeting the external links guideline. I've left a note at WikiProject Spam asking others to look at some of these and see what they think.

Even some non-profit organizations will add dozens of links to Wikipedia since links in Wikipedia are heavily weighted in Google's page ranking systems. (If interested, see the article on Spamdexing for more on this).

You can see all the links by going to this this "Search web links" page. I encourage you to look at Wikipedia's external links guideline then look at the links in the articles you normally watch. Also, if you don't mind, please also weigh in at WikiProject Spam with your opinions. If you see links to pages that you don't think add additional value beyond the content already in an article, feel free to delete them, but please don't go mindlessly deleting dozens of links. (Per WP:EL, links that don't add additional value should be deleted but that doesn't necessarily mean they're "spam").

Thanks for your help and for providing some second opinions. --A. B. 17:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Anti-Mormonism & subcategories

I recently created the Category:Anti-Mormonism, and in an effort to clean up and more clearly define the category, less that 24 hours ago I created the following subcategories:

At that time I also modified a number of the articles that had previously been under Category:Anti-Mormonism so that they were under one of those sub-categories. While I think that there is most definitely lots of room to debate if a particular entry really falls under this category or one of the subcategories, I think the categories themselves have a solid basis for their existence. However, at this time, there is a CfD on Category:Material related to anti-Mormonism. If this category has been already nominated this quickly, I though that it made sense to ask the participants of this WikiProject for their thoughts on all of these Categories. Do you think that the categories themselves should exist as is, should be modified, &/or deleted? Are the entries in each category appropriate? Are there any articles missing in the categories? -- FishUtah 15:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

After looking at this further it appears that the CfD nominator (Dev920 (talk • contribs)) may disagreed with my inclusion of Latter Days (of which the user is a frequent editor) into the "Category:Material related to anti-Mormonism", and instead of removing the category from the article, they are question the value of the category itself. After considering this, I removed the category from that article; just because the film deals with the controversial topic of homosexuality and Mormonism doesn't necessarily mean it is anti-Mormon. Am I off base on this? The film is still included in Category:Portrayals of Mormons in popular media where it is a solid fit, and "Category:Material related to anti-Mormonism" has a see also to that category. -- FishUtah 16:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Please also see the discussion on at Category talk:Cults#Category:Anti-Mormonism label applied to anti cult orgs -- FishUtah 17:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Fish, I am confused about the subcat. Material related to Anti-Mormonism. That seems like a catch all type of category. What are examples of articles to which this category would apply? Places related to Anti-Mormonism; would this category apply to the early history of the church or does it apply across time? For example, Hannegraff's group is in Petaluma, CA (I think); would the whole city be labeled with this? This may also be a category that may not be appropriate. If it is really for historical sites, then dropping the term Anti-Mormonism would seem a better approach. The Law and People categories would be very helpful. Storm Rider ^(talk) 18:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

If I had felt that the category was OK, just that its addition to Latter Days was wrong, I would have simply removed it. However, I nominated because I felt it was subjective, too broad, and POV. And as it turns out, the guys at CfD agree with me, so I would not leap to the conclusion that I'm being vindictive over a pet article, Fish. Dev920 (Please peer review here.) 21:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

If I made any unfounded assumptions, I'm sorry. You are also making assumptions that I thought that somehow changing the article would make the CfD go away, and that was not my intent. The CfD made me rethink what was in the categories, and I realized I made a mistake with that article (and probably others too), and so I fixed the mistake I could identify and consulted with a wider audience of more experienced editors with an interest in the subject. You certainly are entitled to your opinion that the category doesn't belong, & I'd be happy to discuss this further. However using language like "Mr Utah now appears to be trying to cover his back" and describing the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement as a "WikiProject full of biased editors" doesn't help with having a discussion. I though I had been above board, honest, and open about what I was doing; any mistakes that I made are my own, and not a responsibility of anyone else. -- FishUtah 22:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

A WikiProject on religion is always full of biased editors - it's a sad, but true, fact. I don't really want to have a discussion about the CfD: I nominated it, and now I don't really care what happens to it. Don't give up on Mormon articles because of this experience, just be a bit more careful next time about your actions. Read up on WP:AGF and I'm sure you'll get along fine. Dev920 23:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Fish, I saw you removed your name from the LDS community group; that is unfortunate. It is true that article topics founded in relgion are quarrelsome; LDS/Mormon related articles are particularly so. However, to be successful you can not take things personally. I know that we have a gadflys (read obnoxious anti-Mormons with no objective in producing excellent articles, but only in grinding down their pathetic little axes), if I had my way editors of that ilk would be allowed to work with a coach for a period of time and then their case reviewed. If they continued in their POV editorializing, they would then be banned forever. They serve no purpose and produce nothing positive. It is one of the significant downfalls of producing a public encyclopedia; one must just accept it comes with the territory. Take a breather, reconsider your decision and then come back. I hope you will find the wisdom in doing so. Peace. Storm Rider ^(talk) 04:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I've proposed renaming Category:Law related to Anti-Mormonism as Category:Law related to Mormonism. The laws shown in the category are all ones that deal with Mormonism, rather than Anti-Mormonism, and I think it would be more neutral to avoid the "Anti-" label. You can comment on the proposal here: CfR on Category:Law related to Anti-Mormonism. -- BRMo 07:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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