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[edit] Intent?

(I'm moving my original questions from your talk page, Icelandic Hurricane, because I think it's relevant to the wikiproject as a whole)

I'm a little confused by the intent of this project. Since

  • you didn't, as far as I can tell, discuss this in the Inheritance talk pages, to see if anyone else is interested
  • you didn't advertise before creating on the list of proposed wikiprojects, although I can see you've used that page before,
  • and you haven't, as far as I can tell, done any edits in the Inheritance Trilogy pages (or if you have, they haven't been recent or in the major pages),
  • and you didn't describe your goals for the project on either the talk pages for the Inheritance pages or the WikiProject page,

it's really unclear where you intend to go with this WikiProject. Could you provide some context? A good starting point is the suggestions for new wikiprojects page; if you follow the guidelines there, you should have a good starting point. Right now this is a big stub with no ideas, no participants, a redirect in the template, and no context -- since you don't appear to have edited the pages before, so nobody can tell your goals or editing philosophy.

While this is a great starting place for advertising a proposed wikiproject on the list of proposed wikiprojects, I'm not sure this project is ready to go live. As the suggestions for new wikiprojects page suggests,

"Generally you should have at least 5–10 people involved before a Wikiproject structure makes any sense and adds any value. If you don't think you'll get at least 5–10 people on board, then don't waste your effort—you'll be better off just writing your articles."

Maybe you should just make some edits to the page, or start a discussion on the very lively talk pages? Or propose a project and get feedback from the editing community before you bring it live? Deborah-jl Talk 14:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging?

Having come across an article like Saphira the dragon on Wikipedia:Dead-end pages, I wonder if it would be more beneficial to merge the vast majority of these articles into a single characters page, per WP:FICT (disclaimer: I have never read, nor heard of, the series in question). Nifboy 03:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Well the Saphira article definetely can be expanded. Someone must've just tried to summarize the "adventures". So, if we cannot expand any articles in certain ways, then yes, merge them into one. Icelandic Hurricane #12 12:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two Saphira articles?

Unless it's just me, I think there are two articlea on Saphira; Saphira Bjartskular and Saphira. How did this happen? Icelandic Hurricane #12 11:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I need an admin to delete the Saphira Bjartskular article. Icelandic Hurricane #12 20:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Saphira Bjartskular redirected to Saphira.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 09:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inheritance Trilogy Wiki

I'm not sure if this is the "correct" place to address this, but I just thought I'd mention the Inheritance Trilogy Wiki to you guys. It desperately needs some new members (there are only about three of us active right now), so I'm trying to spread the word. If anybody cares to drop by, please do. Amina skywalker 19:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Oh wow... Thanks for bringing that to our attention. Aznph8playa2 13:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
You know, this website can be a great resource for improving the articles under the scope of the project. Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 14:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree, but should that really be our scope? Should the scope not contain, simply the improvement and inclusion of all information relevant to the Inheritance Trilogy rather than a competition with another site?Aznph8playa2 01:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Well I couldn't think of a better one. Maybe you could think up one and place it here, to see if yours would be better. Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 12:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bogged Down

I really feel that the focus of the page is drawn away from by the massive extent of references to other projects. I apologize to those who have worked to make the page what it is, but I'm cleaning up the page so that our tasks and goals are evident.Aznph8playa2 01:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Burning Plains

I've created this article. Any comments/suggestions.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 09:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

This is a real nice article. When the assesment page gets organized, this can get a real high class, possible GA or A class. Good job! Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 00:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Class categories

How do you make categories for each class on the assessment scale? I've made on for stubs. But I don't know how to make the rest. Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 21:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization rules

Thought I'd address this, since I seem to differ from most everybody else. :) In my opinion, the names of races should be capitalized: ie, Elves, Humans (or Men), Dwarves, etc. Many of the exisiting articles, however, have elves, humans, and dwarves uncapitalized. Does anybody know the "rules" for this? « Amina . skywalker (¿Hábleme?) 14:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I wish. I would capitalize them, but I don't know if that choice would be proper. Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 16:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I found the following on the reference section of Dictionary.com: "The basic rules are to capitalize the names of definite sections of a country or the world, and the names of nationalities". And, on the the UMW website, I found this: "capitalize names of all races, nationalities and ethnic groups". From that, I feel fairly comfortable capitalizing. :) « Amina . skywalker (¿Hábleme?) 23:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
But the book itself has the races lowercased. Shouldn't we follow the book itself? Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 11:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I would think that, because this is an encyclopedia, the thing to do would be to follow the generally accepted English grammar rules. But I'm willing to go either way. I just want to make sure I'm in line with everybody else. :) « Amina . skywalker (¿Hábleme?) 02:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Just leave them lowercased. íslenska hurikein #12(talk) 19:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I support uppercased letters, and I've already done it on the pages I've recently created.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 08:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing of the critical reactions pages

I think the critical reaction pages are a tiny bit harsh. Should they be edited?(Vance Clarend 11:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

One, who are you, and two, what are you talking about? íslenska hurikein #12(talk) 19:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I mean like the critical reactions pages for Eragon and other articles seem to be a little bit like "Eragon IS a flat ripoff of everyone else" rather than a less biased "Eragon may have many similarities to other works of fiction." (Vance Clarend 11:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

I don't think they're overly harsh. Statements like "There has been much debate..." or "It has been pointed out..." aren't biased one way or the other, in my opinion. Though the section about the names bearing resemblance to names in Tolkien's work could do with some rewordings, I suppose. « Amina . skywalker (¿Hábleme?) 13:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elva article?

This WP is coming along well, but I have noticed that the Elva article was very poorly written originally; I have tried to clean it up but it needs much expanding. Can any members of WPIT help me with expanding this article please? Aaron teh tennisman 00:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I did some minor expansion to the Role in Eldest section, but I can't seem to remember the group of people that attempted to assassinate Nasuada. Anybody know? íslenska hurikein #12(samtal) 17:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I can look that up when I get back from vacation....next week maybe Teh tennisman 23:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I thinks it's The Black Hand. I'll confirm ASAP. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 09:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A VERY important announcment

I've streamlined the assessment process. Check out

Related categories are:

Category:Inheritance Trilogy articles by quality

Category:Inheritance Trilogy articles by importance

don't be daunted, you don't need to add the category. Just add the template with the corresponding quality and importance assessment on the article's talk page as per the examples, and it'll automatically be added to the category The method of using the template now is: {{Wpinheritance| ... | class=??? | importance=??? | ...}}

--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 10:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Sweet!!!!! This is so cool. It's just like WP:WPTC! íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 13:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why have so many articles

There should not be so many articles about the inheritence series. There should be a short article about each book and maybe one or two about some main charicters, it is just unnessesry to have an artice for every battlle/skirmish that occurs in the books, esspesualy ones like The Battle Of Carvahall, it wasn't a battle and could be explained in one or two sectences, having so many (basicly) useless articles just slows up the internet and wasts Wikipedai space. Artickles like the Battle of carival belong in the article about the book, not in their own article. If any fans are planing to scream at me because I am insulting their "god", don't even bother, I won't listen. Shadoom1 08:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no lack of space on Wikipedia; it's unlimited, so there's no problem of space wastage. Articles like Battle of the Burning Plains are interesting, and notable events in the book, so they are written about. Thanks! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 09:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Battle" of Carvahall (however its spelt)

The article should be renammed to something like "the rebelion of Carvahall" as it was a rebbelion (a group of people chose to violently resist the power of a ruling lord) or "The battles of Carvahall" (as it was a seres of battles, not a single one), just not "the battle of Carvahall", It could be a skirmish, but it wasn't realy like that, "Skirmish" would be better than "battle" though.. Shadoom1 07:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

It was a series of skirmishes/assaults, not just rebellion, since Galbatorix's armies attacked first. This series of assaults put together has been named Battle. Cheers! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 08:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Galbatorix's forces didn't attack first, the villages did, the death of Quimby and burning the village were "acidents" not attacks. A battle must have constant conflict tlo be considered a batte, there was not constant fighting during the Carvahall "battle", it would be best classed as an uprising or rebelion. Shadoom1 07:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alagaësia article

Hi, just dropping by to tell you that I edited the "Similarities to Middle-earth" section in Alagaësia. I made it "Similarities to other fantasy works", since it's not only similar to one setting. Also, I put some invisible notes there; might help if anyone put how Paolini's languages are similar to Tolkien's, and how Paolini's setting is different from everybody else's. (Middle-earth is not "black and white", BTW.) Though I'm a fan of Tolkien and haven't read these books (yet), I don't think that Paolini was overtly copying him (except perhaps for the names) since most of the similarities (Elves, Dwarves, Sorcerer servants, etc.) are fantasy tropes or clichés now. Look at Warcraft, Forgotten Realms, etc. (Of course, Tolkien pretty much pioneered some of the clichés when they still weren't.) Uthanc 10:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice work! Keep it up. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 17:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ineritance places

I just made a new articlecalled Ineritance places and have put information on all the Places articles in it, but it still needs alot of formating to make it readable, I have also put merger suggestion things at the top of all the place artices, most of them are patheticly small and would be better off in one big article than hundreds of small ones, as it was a large edit I also decided to join this project Shadoom1 09:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that we should actually leave the tiny articles, since book 3 will come out in likely a year. But after that, if we have little info, I guess we can merge them. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 11:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

For the moment woulden't it be better to have one big article, then if theres more info in book 3 (unlikley) then we can have links to the main articles from the big one, for the moment it would be better to have one big article than hundreds of small ones waiting for the next book, untill there is more information to expand the articles they are simply too small to have their own articles Shadoom1 22:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor thing on appearances

Can the page for the project be changed so it's not so bright? I see the relation to the book covers, but looking at the green, red, and blue is quite painful. Plus when I look away I can only see pink. --Spyderchan 02:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I guess. Just change the web colors. The codes are on this page. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 21:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!--Spyderchan 22:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cleaning up Eragon (character)

Would it help any to simply have a section on his article for family and add "see also" links to the synopsis on the Inheritance trilogy page?--Spyderchan 02:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe. I'll wait for others' opinions before we decide. íslenskur fellibylur #12 (samtal) 00:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps. I have been doing some serious attempts at editing Eragon, but there is such a horrible flow of thought, it is stinted in that it goes book by book. This article could use a top-to-bottom rewrite, one which I have been working at since I started working on this WP> --teh tennisman Speak your piece!People person!FREE OWNAGE CLICK HERE 18:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

as for that page, does anyone mind if I go through and do a top to bottom rewrite on it, adding in the sections that are listed on the project page? --teh tennisman Speak your piece!People person!FREE STUFF CLICK HERE 19:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

never mind-i have too little time for this.--teh tennisman 19:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

  • User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
  • User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
  • User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
  • User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 14:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] elven vs. elvish vs. elfish etc.

I'm wondering what word to use to describe something elf-like. I've seen "elven" a few times in the articles, and I'm pretty sure that's not in the dictionary. "Elfish" would be proper English, right?--Spyderchan 02:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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