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Contents 1 Wikiproject:Singing 2 Oh dear 3 Head register 4 Original research. 5 Christina Aguilera 6 Jeff Buckley 7 Sophia Montecarlo 8 Reality check 9 Megan Hilty 10 Sebastian Vilas 11 Just some wording 12 Additions to the category 13 Michael Kiske 14 Matthew Barlow 15 Stephanie Mills 16 Lara Fabian 17 Deletion 18 Are we still disputing? 19 what happened to jessica simpson's page? 20 Backstreet Boys and Whistle range 21 The Urgent Need To Review And Clean-up This List 22 Listen before you leap! 23 OK 24 A6 on Newlyweds 25 Vanessa Amorosi 26 Clean-up 27 E6 28 Angie Stone and Willa Ford 29 Barbra Streisand 30 Michelle williams 31 angie stone 32 Regine Velasquez and Tamia 33 janet jackson 34 Rachael Lampa 35 patti labelle and melody thorton from the pussycatdolls 36 brian mcknight 37 Erika Alexander 38 debelah morgan 39 natalie maines 40 Jill Scott 41 Cleo Higgins 42 mariah carey 43 Kimberley Locke 44 Nicole from the pussycat dolls 45 ashanti 46 ashanti should be on here 47 Delta Goodrem 48 patti labelle's highest chest note 49 Jean Terrell 50 Deletion 51 Martha Wash 52 cyndi lauper 53 Krystal Harris 54 Kimberley Locke 55 emmy rossum 56 James Brown 57 Dez 58 Proof 59 Nicole Kea from PussyCat Dolls 60 Songs 61 This Clip 62 names 63 Eryah Badu 64 JoJo 65 Kyla 66 Jonalyn Viray = 67 Eric Martin of MrBIG 68 MISIA 69 verified whistle register singer 70 Jennifer Hudson 71 Tisha Campbell 72 Nicola Sedda 73 Criteria for inclusion of material in whistle register category 74 [personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] 75 I'll go through this as there is confusion and rv's by me and others all over the place. 75.1 What was the use... 75.2 Referencing Project 75.2.1 Artists to check 75.2.2 Other assertions 75.3 Motion to re-add Chante Moore 75.4 Singers Not Added 75.5 Inconveniecne!!! 75.6 Angela Via 75.7 Christina Aguilera 75.8 Debelah Morgan New Info 75.9 New Reference tool for disputed singers!! 75.10 Compromise? 75.11 ashanti's whistle note 75.12 Shanice's re-addition 75.13 lisa ficher/christina aguilera re-additons 75.14 debelah morgan voice 75.15 Amel Larrieux re-addition 75.16 chante moore re-addition 75.17 Head And Whistle 75.18 rachelle ferrell 75.19 angela via re-additon 75.20 JoJo High Road Whistle 75.21 jojo new source 75.22 IMDB Sources 75.23 Deniece Williams 75.24 jojo edits 75.25 Kristin Chenoweth 75.26 confusion on articles 75.27 ENRIQUE IGLESIAS!!! 75.28 Editing other people's comments other than to remove personal attacks: 75.29 PLEASE! MYKE! or someone else...

[edit] Wikiproject:Singing

There is currently no wikipedia project on singing. The wikipedia project on music is very weak. It doesn't need us to add to it, it'll be killed off. I suggest we have our own project. The goal would be to source articles under the singing category with books and reference articles outside of our heads.--I'll bring the food 11:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh dear

Who removed Mariah carey? As far as I'm aware she is a Whistle register singer. Her singing in whistle is well documented in various reviews as her "dog whistle" in the new album.--I'll bring the food 10:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Head register

Head register is another division. There should be a Head Register List for those capable of singing high in Head(Whatever high is considered.)

[edit] Original research.

If I go and listen to a piece of music, and then I take the singers voice, work out the note and add it here because that note is >= E6 than I have just researched something. Original research within articles is against Wikipedia policies. Let's take an example from this talk page of original research in action: "Christina's highest note is C7. But She has sung F6 live and I've heard she did some G6's before". The entire list is mostly based on this level of work. Original research is against Wikipedia policies. Any singer who does not have an existing article saying they can hit whistle register from a reliable source (fan sites do not count) should be deleted from this category.--I'll bring the food 20:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I've always considered that as well. I mean, most of these additions aren't sourced. In fact, it's pretty much only the Mariahs and Minnies whose trademark "thing" was the whistle register that have articles written on them.

But then, if we had a category on "things that are green," would we still need to site a source saying that, gee, I dunno, buffalo grass is green? =/ Highconclave 01:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The fact is, if we had a category on things that are green, that would be a totally different class of argument. Is it original research to realise grass is green? No, it's established fact. It's a known thing. It's common sense. Wikipedia has rules allowing common knowledge in. --I'll bring the food 21:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Whether Christina Aguilera can really hit the whistle register is not common established fact discussed like the weather or grass being green, it is an argument on this board with large constituent amounts of original research as evidence for it.--I'll bring the food 21:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

But if I can see that the grass is green, then I can say it's green. Similarly, if I can hear a note in the whistle register, then I can say it's in the whistle register. If the entire world were colour-blind except for a few people, and only they had the ability to determine the colour of the grass...would we need to cite a source stating the colour then?

However, I don't really think that's the point. The point is, we are hardly going to be able to find sources for 60%~ of these people, even if it's blatantly obvious that they can sing in the whistle register. Highconclave 02:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Then perhaps the category should be deleted? The fact is that it isn't like the grass being green as you are talking about a specific skill that is not posessed by majority - absolute pitch. Ergo if this is not posessed by many, than we can take this entire category to be the work of research, based upon a skill. This is unreliable, Wikipedia is not a publisher of original research. --I'll bring the food 01:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

That's stupid. I have yet to come across someone who cannot tell the difference between 2 notes. And besides that, its pretty easy to tell if something is in the whistle register. Many people seem to think that an A5 in head is the whistle register. If someone doesn't have absolute pitch, then their opinion shouldn't matter. There are many singers who sing well into the whistle register on many of their tracks that aren't on this list. The category shouldn't be deleted, wikipedia's regulations should be changed. It shouldn't take 5 huge articles specifically stating that Debelah Morgan sings in the whistle register for her to be known for it. I may not be able to sing an E when someone tells me "sing an E", but I sure can tell the difference between an E and Eb. And its well known that in some cases its difficult to tell the difference between whistle and head when its certain notes but its easy to believe if it is above E6 or can be considered a whistle. If you want I can post a scale from C6 to C7 so you can hear the notes and then i can post an E6 so anyone can compare that to a note given by a singer in their article to personally varify it. These may be real people but its not like they are going to be offended by their article stating they are a whistle register singer IF they would ever be as bored to stop and look at this site. 67.181.94.201 07:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christina Aguilera

Why is she on the list? All her high notes are in super head voice, not whistle. 69.160.116.44 04:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Listen carefully to 'The Christmas Song' near the ending.

Christina's highest note is C7. But She has sung F6 live and I've heard she did some G6's before.

- Her highest note is C7 on The Christmas Song, but live her highest is G6. Here is a clip of some of her high notes: http://s8.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3KBU9UI3Q5OTX09LUJQQ71D123

Apparently when she sang 'Vision of Love' she hit the whistle notes (see the Christina Aguilera article) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.160.206.120 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC).

Aguilera is not a whistle register singer as 1) Her so-called "whistle registers" are done in super head voice and 2) She cannot control the notes or go as high as true WR singers can^{[citation needed]} . Being able to hit a WR note every now and then does not consitute being a WR singer.

Christina is really a whistle register singer, she can hit very high notes and control them as well, I saw her doing it during her Stripped Tour

Pfff well if Christina can't sing notes in whistle register who can? She's able to hit a C7, and Mariah Carey's highest note is G7...the difference is not so big, then if mariah is a whistle register singer we must admit that christina deserves her place on this list too

Chistina's highest note is not close to Mariah's. G7 is in the seventh ocvtave and is perfect octave above Christina's highest note wich is C6.

[edit] Jeff Buckley

Surely he should be added to the list, even his father Tim. Both had amazing vocal ranges and from his limited recorded work from before he died its estimated he had a range of at least 3.5 octaves (A2 -> E6)

[edit] Sophia Montecarlo

I don't know where she comes from or what is she doing in this world but all i know is that I just saw a video of her singing "Loves takes Time" and she hits the whistle notes...she's in http://www.youtube.com/w/Love-Takes-Time-from-Born-Diva-ABS-CBN?v=Ro4VLVnvV80&search=abs if you want to see it!

[edit] Reality check

There is a huge amount of singers in the list currently who have nothing to do with whistle register. For example: Emma Bunton from Spice Girls! I mean come on! Obviously there are a lot of people who think that having high sounding voice equals whistle register and that just isn't true. Also being able to hit relatively high note does not equal singing in whistle register necessarily. It's true that Kate Bush and Jeff Buckley have hit high notes but being a huge Kate fan (I own all her albums plus several bootlegs, including all her demos she made before her recording deal) I have never heard her use whistle register.. same goes for Jeff. I think it would be good to at least add an example of a song where you think that the artist is hitting whistle register notes when you contribute artists in the list (preferably with the approximate place in the song). --194.241.100.194 15:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

• I totally agree. When this page first appeared, there were like maybe 50 singers on the list. Now it's more than DOUBLED!!! Some of these people do not qualify as whistle register singers, sorry.

My mouth dropped open when I checked out the list just a few minutes ago. I have no idea why half the people on the list are even on there. There should be a rule; people should have proof of the person hitting whistle register before added the person. Some of the people hit really high notes, but they are not in whistle register. (ThisIsMyName 12:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC))

• Yes, I agree. There may be some singers who cannot actually access the whistle register on this list. For whatever reasons, there have been some singers falsey placed on this list on previous occasions, which have since been removed.

Admittedly, a lot of the newer additions are somewhat obscure soprano, opera singers whose vocal abilities I don't doubt. But, yes, this list should definitely be revised. Highconclave 14:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL sorry i added alot of the singers. but before that alot of the singers were people who sang in superhead, falsetto, or head above E6. But most i added were just Coloratura Sopranos. But i added most with proof. I didnt add the ones like Emma Bunton because I havent heard her sing very high at all.

Hey Sohpia Montecarlo is from the Philippines!!!!!!! by : bratpig

[edit] Megan Hilty

She hits a high E during a performance of "No One Mourns the Wicked" from the musical Wicked. She is Glinda. The clip is under this link, she hits the note at the end http://www.youtube.com/w/No-One-Mourns-the-Wicked--Megan-Hilty?v=74booY2m1nk&search=shoshana%20bean

[edit] Sebastian Vilas

Why it was cleared of the list?

The singer Sebastián Martín Vilas, reaches several notes in the Whistle register.

Web Site: http://www.sebastianvilas.com.ar

Audio Clips:

http://sebas83.shinranet.com/audios/muestra_whistle_02.mp3

http://sebas83.shinranet.com/audios/muestra_whistle_003.mp3

Video Clip:

http://www.youtube.com/w/?v=iQgFhh8RCvM

Why it was cleared of the list??????????? O_O

Probably because he doesn't appear to have a wikipedia page? CaravaggioFan 04:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I tried adding a page for him because i was very impressed. I also added Georgia Brown's but wikipedia says the information needs to be verified and wikified??? 67.181.94.96 07:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just some wording

The introductory paragraph has it written: "...even those who do not actually use the register on a daily basis..." I suppose there's an assumption made that singers who employ use of the whistle register often in their music sing in the whistle register every day, simply from the way it's worded. It should probably be changed or rephrased slightly. Highconclave 14:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions to the category

The list doesn't differeniate between super head/whistle/ ultra-high chest. It just denotes singers who can sing at or higher than E6 (whether they have built there careers singing high or not). We are so hung up on Emma Bunton (whom I have heard sing that high BTW), we need to be investigating the guys. Brain MCKnight? NICK LACHEY? I have NEVER HEARD then to anything beyond tenorland. I'm surprised Justin Timberlake isn't on the list LOL (watch it now appear). Most of the women, I won't argue with, because while I've never heard Tamia sing that high, I have heard others. Even Stephanie Mills? She's a deep alto, like Anita Baker or Toni B. 205.188.116.71

Brian McKnight has a very high falsetto and his vocal preofile says his highest is G6. and F6. I dont deny this because he can sing alto easily. You've heard tamia sing that high??? the highest ive heard her was in chest in tomorow which is a great song but i added most of these ppl because alot are Coloratura sopranos and basically they have to be able to easily hit at least E6. I did NOT add nick lachey i even wrote in his discussion that he is not a whistle register singer. Now I added Al Green. He really suprised me. In the end of his song I Can't Get Next To You he hits and hold D7. Stephanie Mills I have never heard though if you want any information or varification on any of these people I'll try to find it but most I have either varified or have heard enough of to not deny their ability. But Monica even though a great artist I've never heard her sing high really. and alos I added some of the guys but not all. I'm more into the R&B artists though so those are mainly the ones I added. 67.181.94.96 03:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think because originally, the description was almost explicit in saying that the whistle register is anything E6 and up. So I guess a lot of these have just been honest mistakes. However, the fact that some 'fans' of these singers sometimes add them onto this list simply to overstate their singing abilities is troubling. Highconclave 03:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I think the whistle register should just be thw whistle voice and the mechanical register should start at F6 or G6 since alot of E6's don't sound whistle-like. But thats my opinion. 67.181.94.96 17:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Kiske

Another 4 octaves wonder

http://www.youtube.com/player.swf?video_id=rYOgZ2TKJEc&l=293

http://www.youtube.com/player.swf?video_id=px2t2gWIzXQ&l=271

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[edit] Matthew Barlow

http://media-server.amazon.com/media/B00005K9ZU001003/Jack.mp3

http://mp3.centurymedia.com/Iced%20Earth_Horrorshow_Dracula.mp3

• Um...in which parts does he use the whistle register..? =/ Highconclave 03:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stephanie Mills

I guess now's as good a time as any to start cleaning this page up, so Stephanie Mills' name is gone from the list. There are other singers' names who should be deleted as well.

216.79.248.222 00:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lara Fabian

Lara Fabian needs to be removed from this list. I have her entire catalog and never once heard her hit a whistle register, never heard her once even approach the WR, not even live.

Yeah ive heard there was a rumor of her hitting like A6 but ive never heard her. Most of the contemporary artist I have heard though. 67.181.94.96 03:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

I've noticed some people have been removed from the list. I believe some were whistle register capable and I just added some others who belong on here. If anyone has a doubt or question about one of the current members of the list, I know most information on most artists mainly the R&B artists. Thank You. 67.181.94.96 04:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

You have to cite your additions. You've been told this over and over again. --Yamla 15:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Lara sings in FULL connected voice, she doesn't use whistle register.

[edit] Are we still disputing?

If not, I'm going to remove the dispute caregory in a week Antares33712 20:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Sure, we're still disputing. It's just that we're not making any progress. Highconclave 01:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what happened to jessica simpson's page?

Does anyone know where jessica's page went? She deserves to be here.She reaches an F6 in the song "your faith in me" which definately qualifies her as part of the whisle range club.

She could make an F42, but if it wasn't in the whistle register, she won't be on this list. In Your Faith In Me, she sings that F6 in superhead voice - not in the whistle register. Having said that, Jessica actually can sing in the whistle register. So maybe somebody should throw her back in the category... Highconclave 11:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Nick Lachey sat on the cat for weeks and no one cared, but artists with the ability are being deleted. This is why apathy has set in. She hit an A-flat6 (and names the note) on Newlyweds and she has other songs where she sings high notes. People are going to do what they want, but instead of just having the disputed cat on this cat, we should be listing the people we find contentious so we can talk. 216.141.226.190 09:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Nick Lachey.... Wow... I think Nick Carter can hit it. I've heard a clip of a Backstreet Boy's song with an A6 in the background. Nick Carter is a Counter Tenor so most likely it was him producing that note.[personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] . Emmy Rossum has sung Eb6 in Angel of Music(Same highest note as Kandi). It is on the movie, soundtrack, its one of the main songs from the movie. How is it not noticed. And she held that note for quite some time. Al Green has sung D6 in falsetto but I think he can go higher because he holds it as well. I added him but then I thought it was a D7 because its very sharp. But I know Jessica Simpson can sing in the whistle register. It shouldnt matter if its Whistle, Head, Falsetto or Superhead. Also I added Monica Naranjo for hitting D6 in chest in Shake The House and C6 in chest in other songs. Most other Whistle register singers have only recorded G#5 as their highest chest notes(Tamia, Mariah, Coko.) Myke 22:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Backstreet Boys and Whistle range

• Howie dorough is the bsb who can sing in the whistle range. He is a true soprano, and has even joked several times in interviews that in his choir he could sing higher than all the girls. Listen close 30 seconds to the end of "All I Have to Give" and you'll hear what I mean. I have also heard him hit the note live, so I know it wasn't artificially produced. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.116.71 (talk • contribs).

[edit] The Urgent Need To Review And Clean-up This List

Just recently the Whistle Register list was only built up of a few persons, and now I am seeing a whole number of people that I never heard of and those I know have never heard using this ability. I thought the Whistle Register was a rare ability possessed by a few gifted artistes, but now it seems as if anybody who can scream and screech at the top of their lungs as in the case of Steven Tyler is seen as having that ability. This is ridiculous, and if such is the case then Cheryl Lynn ought to be under this listing at least she does a more convincing job than Tamia, Jessica Simpson and Gill Scott all of whom I have never heard using the whistle register. I do not think if someone is lucky to display such ability should immediately be listed here, especially if that person has not done so live, as in the case of Mariah Carey, Shanice, Deniece Williams, Melba Moore, Teena Marie, Terry Ellis, and all the others who I deem to have this ability and have shown this gift live and direct. It appears to me that many fans out there are somewhat not happy that thier 'star' is not listed under this coveted category and are listing their names in any event so as not to be left out. I wouldn't be surprised if sooner or later I see Celine Dion, Madonna, Britney Spears and Alicia Keys name under this heading. This list urgently needs clening up and I would suggest that no one who has never proven him/herself live should be listed here, especially if that someone is still living. I appreciate the Seventh Wonder Category because at least only the ones who really have use this ability consistently as in the case of Minnie Riperton, Mariah Carey and Shanice are listed here.

If you look at most of the artists' discussion pages i've listed their whistle notes and fyi Jill Scott sings up to C7. Jessica has recorded F6, hit E6 live and has squeaked a G#6(i dont count that its just a fact). As far as Melba Moore and Teena Marie, the highest I've heard from them is C6 along with C#6 from Teena. Both great singers but still ive never heard them sing high enough. And Steven Tyler SINGS E6 in Aerosmith - Crazy. Tamia I do not doubt. She is a great Spinto Mezzo and can easily hit G5 in chest. If anyone would like to know more notes from the more popular artists I could be of some help. I currently have a personal varified whistle register singers list containing about 46 artists. To me this is not that rare. There are 9 other people who can sing above E6 in my school choir and about 3 of them can sing nores above C7. Myke 23:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listen before you leap!

[personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] . Just because you haven't picked up an artist's record and and heard the note for yourself doesn't mean that it doesn't exsist. I agree that proof needs to be given before a singer is added, but just because you don't care for an artist like(jessica simpson) or anyone else doesn't mean you should knock thier talent or try to invailidate their accomplishments as a singer. In the case of jessica more than enough proof has been given to substansiate her entry..(a6 newlyweds, f6 "your faith in me")but obviously this has just become a game of faveoritism, so what I say probably won't matter anyway. All I can say is, can we please just start providing some evidence as well as take it upon ourselves hear what was provided before we start ranting that it doesn't exsist.

[edit] OK

I admit when I started this cat last year to kill that list in the whistle register article I never though it would have blown up into this mess. However, on this talk page, I have heard nothing but bickering....the list seems relatively balanced, mostly female, more opera sopranos, then secular music. The men are mostly notable right from their articles. No, I haven't heard everyone, but if we find someone contentious, put the person here so we can discuss him/her/them. Just having the disputed category up and bickering will not bring us closer to resolution. Antares33712 18:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I know most of you don't think some of these singers belong on the whistle register but most do. anyone with questions I'll be mosre than happy to tell you what notes in what songs these singers sing E6 or higher in. These are the singers who I am positive can sing in the whistle register. As far as opera singers, most can but these are popular artists:

Christina Aguilera, Vanessa Amorosi, Toya Alexis, Philip Bailey, Shoshana Bean, Tamar Braxton, Sarah Brightman, Georgia Brown, Kandi Burruss, Maria Callas, Blu Cantrell, Mariah Carey, Kelly Clarkson, Howie Dorough, Ashanti Douglas, Terry Ellis, Rachelle Ferrell, Lisa Fischer, Cheryl Gamble, Nina Girado, Rachelle Ann Go, Vivian Green, Nina Hagen, Lauryn Hill, Janet Jackson, Beyonce Knowles, Amel Larrieux, Adam Lopez, Lani Misalucha, MISIA, Chante Moore, Debelah Morgan, Monica Naranjo, Minnie Riperton, Nicolette Palikat, Jill Scott, Shanice, Jessica Simpson, Yma Sumac, Steven Tyler, Angela Via, Sebastian Vilas, Deniece Williams, Angela Winbush, Betty Wright, Jane Zhang Liangying,

67.181.94.201 23:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

See, that's the thing though. Singing above an E6 doesn't necessarily mean it's in the whistle register. Um, for example, Vanessa Amorosi, she does her E6 in superhead. Though, do you know in which song Beyoncé goes into the whistle register with? =) Highconclave 14:29, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

For right now, we aren't diffientating between the voice (ie. is this whistle voice or head voice or even chest (Rachelle)). We are only discussing this by whistle register (all notes at or above E6). Its stricitly an altitude thing. If we did all that, this whole cat would disintegrate into original research hell. Antares33712 19:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah i dont like using the term superhead. I think theres really only head, falsetto, and whistle that can produce pitches at or above E6. But Beyonce hits E6 adlibbing in Happy Face. And yeah Vanessa Amorosi hits B5 in chest and E6 in head in I Wanna Be Your Everything. 67.181.94.201 22:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Wait, so...all we're doing is listing singers who can sing E6 and above? Highconclave 09:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Singers who can SING at or above E6 and people who can produce Whistle voice notes. 67.181.94.201 23:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

We don't differentiate between how they get up there. E6 or above and your in. And its the ability, so if they have done it live but not on CD, that counts too. Antares33712 13:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly head or falsetto will eventually start sounding like a whistle at about Eb6-G6 depending on tone. Like Emmy Rossum's Eb6 has a whistlish sound to it and some singers can sing F6 and it still wont sound like a whistle. 67.181.94.201 23:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Why E6, though? Why not...C6, or...F6? Highconclave 11:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Per whistle register, E6 denotes the start of the whistle register. Note the musical register starts there, as we are all aware, it is very possible to use whistle voice under this pitch. Antares33712 17:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

this is very true, my whisle voice begins at d6 instead of e6 even though technically e6 is the start

I'm not sure why Its E6 I think it should be F6 really but its from classical and opera singing to have it start there. But yeah my whistle voice can go as low as G#5 on somedays but is usually somewhere between Bb5 and C6 at the lowest. Mariah actually hits G#5 in whistle in Fantasy at the begining if you listen to the whole whistle. But whistle is used just like head and chest where it depends on where its vibrating, its not really a register of the voice more of a part of a register which it would mainly belong to head and falsetto. Full voice I think the highest is D6 but still pretty high. Myke 23:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

An E6 doesn't denote the start of anything... Highconclave 02:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

According to the article E6 is the start of the whisle register. A person's whistle voice can start anywhere, even under C6. Antares33712 09:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The article is on whistle voice if you say it that way. Besides, it says nothing about E6 starting the whistle 'register'. In fact, it says that there is 'no universally agreed upon scheme for classifying vocal registers'. Highconclave 13:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I know some people's whistle can start as low as C5. But Yeah E6 starts the whistle register for the sound of the note. I didnt make this up so I wouldnt be able to change it but thats what Ive always heard. And vocal experts agree that this is true. I told one I could sing in the whistle register and he thought I meant in falsetto because his falsetto used to reach F6 and I corrected him that I meant whistle voice. But My falsetto can reach about F6. Myke 05:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A6 on Newlyweds

can someone tell me what season and episode she did the note in? I've been watching old episodes but I've never seen her do it? Can someone please help?

Its G#6 and I have a clip. Its more of a squeak or squeal but its a note.

You can dowload it Here

Myke 08:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

thax...but do u know the episode so i can watch it too? Thanx again 4 ur help! :)

No I dont know. I will try to figure out though. Myke 02:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vanessa Amorosi

In What song does she hit the whistle register

She hits E6 in "I Wanna Be Your Everything" its a great song. I think she also hits B5 in chest. Myke 08:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

She also uses the whistle register in "Absolutely Everybody" in the last section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.160.206.120 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Clean-up

While, I'm EVER grateful (really truly ever grateful) for the clean-up on this bloated cat, is there any way we can discuss people here before we remove them :-) Antares33712 20:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I had deleted Tamia and Vanity for lack of proof. Myke 02:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E6

[personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] Whitstle register starts where ever the person singing wants to start it. Listen to Mariah Carey's song twister, she sings a D6 in whistle resgiter! [personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)]

Whistle register or Flageolet register is also credited as the high notes in head or falsetto starting at E6 for their fluety or whistle-like sound. Whistle register as in the vocal register can be as low as in the fourth octave and as high as humans can hear which is the tenth octave. Myke 02:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, contentious topic alright :S Can I just interject here and agree with this person. A singer can start whistling as low a B4, but probably all have to stop using head voice after E6.

Just my two cents on the clean up job, the point of this article is to be informative. Hard to accomplish when we editors don't seem to be aiming for that. What about a cat for whistle singing where fits cases such as Mariah, Yma Sumac, Minnie R; and a separate Cat just relevant to otherwise singers who have recorded notes in whistle register and character. Disambiguation on an E6 link would help to separate head sixth octave from whistle sixth octave. Val 22/11/2006

Whistle register is called falsetto in women because women use this register to make the noise. In men it is also a type of falsetto. In women, lower notes are made in the head voice. Because falsetto only produces "unmusical" notes according to many in the opera biz, it is considered the whistle register does not exist and many use the head register in the upper ranges in order to be lyrical within that part of the range. Please note, seperating between unsourced and sourced material is against wiki policy so that will not be happening.--I'll bring the food 16:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Angie Stone and Willa Ford

Doesn't Agnie Stone hit a whistle note at the end of the song "Brotha" and Willa Ford hits whistle in "Haunted Heart" "ooh ooh"

I'll check out Angie Stone. But yeah I knew Willa Ford hit like a G6 or G#6 but no one knew the name of the song. I'll reply with any updates on that. Myke 07:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

No Angie Stone only hits Bb5. Impressive but not whistle. Myke 07:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Willa ford only sang up to D6 in Haunted Heart but in Ooh Ooh she did in fact hit G#6. Starting at 3:30 in the song she adlibs and at about 3:38 she hits F6, G#6, G6, G#6, G6, F6. Imma add her back on and put this in her page's discussion. Myke 08:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barbra Streisand

Doesn't she hit a G6 in "Since I Fell for You"

If you mean in the recorded version, I didnt hear it when I downloaded sir. She did hit a good high note in chest though. Myke 05:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michelle williams

I removed Michelle Williams. She squeaks high in Bootyilicious, but since we can't keep Reese witherspoon in this cat, I removed her since she qualifies basically for the same reason Reese did. Antares33712 14:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] angie stone

there was a song called "groove me" where she hit like an a6 or b6.

i dont know where u can find it, cause it was on a jamba juice CD (I work there) but I heard it like a hundred times a day. Trust me she can definately sing well in this register.

• Yeah, I just listened to it. She goes into the seventh octave right at the end, even... Highconclave 05:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

No she only hits E6. Enough for the whistle register but not 7th octave. I can make a clip of her and other singers hitting the note incase you want me to compare it cause she doesnt go higher than E6. 67.181.94.201 17:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

When she does her high note (in 'Groove Me'), doesn't she start at B6...? Highconclave 05:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

B6? I never heard that. The only time she uses the whistle register is to frequently hit E6 near the end. She starts at E6 and goes down. Because shes using falsetto/head, it will sound higher. But some singers train their voices to sound lighter at that hight like Vivian Green's E6 in Frustrated. Its a great note. I can imagine her going as high as at least F#6. Myke 18:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's around the 2:40 part of the song, if you take a look at it... Highconclave 04:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

are we sure we are listening to the same song? That was no E6, that note was out the ballpark. I listened to that song like 50xs a day and I know it was at least higher than a G6. Maybe there are multiple versions?

LOL ok thanks for that. PLEASE put where in the song is the high note. Yes it is B6. I dont like listening to the whole song unless I actually like the artist. So I only heard the E6's at the very end. But her whistles dont sound very nice. Theyre shreiks. Still whistle i guess. I never guessed her to be able to sing that high. B6? Jesus.. 67.181.94.201 08:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

O Nevermind she hits D7 after the B6. Myke 02:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

was that her or a backup singer because the sam thing happened to lauryn hill

No Lauryn Hill had a professional whistle singer as a backup singer. That Whistle was perfect. Angie Stone's wasn't. Its her own voice. Myke 22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The woman singing background on Lauryn Hill's album is Sabrina Johnston. TamYum 04:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regine Velasquez and Tamia

When do they hit whistle register

Regine sings in the whistle register before but Tamia's highest is C6 I think. Myke 02:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

in what song does tamia hit a c6

I hear from alot of people she hit it live and in vocal profiles, it says her highest note is C6 but I haven't heard her sing past A5 in chest. But she does sing pretty high in Officially Missin' You. Myke 00:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

when i was in you tube i saw one video of Regine Velasquez duet with David Hasselhoff, she hit whistle twice at the end i have no idea what note was that but i think that was whislte, anyone know the title of that song? and mp3? we have no access on her music!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.3.187.174 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] janet jackson

doesnt she go into the 6th octave in the song he doesn't know i'm alive

Yeah she hits D6. I think she should count cause she hits high notes all the time and that D6 sounded easy fro her. And she used to sing all that stuff live with coreography. Her voice is very unnoticed. Like her Bb5 in chest in Control. Myke 20:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

But, the D is not E. Tamia I have heard sing the E and she is not in the cat. Antares33712 17:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

listen closely at the end of "love will never do without you" she acends up to I think a D6 before the synthysizer over powers her vocal. I never noticed it before but its there, kinda deep in the backround.

[edit] Rachael Lampa

I have never heard her hit a whistle note

Listen to kaleidoscope album she hits F#6 in one song. Which I am going to look for. Myke 20:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

What note does she hit in Ave Maria?

C6. Myke 02:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] patti labelle and melody thorton from the pussycatdolls

i heared that patti hits a F6 in the song "beat my heart like a drum"

and i think melody hits a whistle note in the song "bite the dust" on the part where she says "me"

Where abouts does she sing 'me' in the whistle register? As in how long into the song. 58.104.89.110 06:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Lol I think i know what part and thats no where near the whistle register its G#5. Myke 06:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

what about patti labelle?

I never could never find that song. Myke 22:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

This song is on her Winner In You album, Track #8. I can't really tell if she hit a whistle note towards the end or not...I'll let someone else determine that. TamYum 07:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

That note is an E6... Highconclave 12:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

No the first one is a F the second one is an E. Their belted in head register though. snail2

Thanks. TamYum 04:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please send it to me cause I aint gonna buy her stanky ass album just to hear a note. I just wanna hear the note thats it ive heard her voice and its annoying. Myke 00:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Myke, I don't know if this will work, but I can provide a link to the song so that you can hear it:

http://play.napster.com/track/11916942 TamYum 04:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] brian mcknight

he hits an F6 in the song "Back at One"

No he doesnt. I know that song well and he never did. I have never heard him sing in the whistle register MAYBE F5 but note even C6. He is a great singer though. People before you make these claims you must personally check the note by using a tuner or by comparing it to a keyboard. Patti Labelle can sing in the whistle register like E6 as her highest, Melody thornton is the best PCD singer but Im not sure of whistle register. And Angie Stone is new to me. Myke 00:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Erika Alexander

when has she ever hit whistle register?

i cant even seem to find a song by her. Myke 09:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't even aware that she was a singer. TamYum 07:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Watch in living single she is frequently singing and singing high, high soprano.

Do you have a clip of it cause others should be able to hear or see proof from wikipedia. Ive heard Tisha Campbell sing G6. She has a nice Whistle register. Myke 22:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] debelah morgan

hey just wondering...in the song "I remember" she hits a whistle note at around 1:40 in the song, and I'd love to know exactly what it was. I have huntch it's a G6 or A6 but I'm not sure. Can someone please help me? Thanx.

First whistles are: G#6, F#6, E6. The squeals later she hits A6 as the highest and i cant really seem to figure the whole thing out. i can sing it but its too hard to check it on my keyboard. Myke 06:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

awesome!thank u! its the highest note i can sing with vibrato,so i wanted to know...I'm guesing the A6 is on the word love?

Is that what shes tryin to say? lol i thought she was just squealing. Myke 20:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

yep. she is repeating the phrase "you really love me" She can ennunciate words in whistle register. The notes in the song "bring back the sun" and "take back the rain" are more clear though.

Thats not very good of enunciation. Mariah Carey and Minnie Riperton are better but then they use whistle voice not falsetto or head although they do occasionally but most of their high notes are whistle. Mariah has good enunciation in "Yours" when she says "So Amazing". I can enunciate almost as good in whistle. She does it again in "Fly Like A Bird" where at the end she says "I Need Jesus" but the enunciation isnt as good. Myke 22:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

what note was that on the song "What would you do" the very last part at the end, u need to turn the volume up cuase the music is fading! was that her highest? and by the way she can pronounce it properly at the song "bring back the sun", "take the rain away", "i remember", "baby i need your love" at the end she said "i need" as clear as mariah's yours!!! they are all good!!!

[edit] natalie maines

what song does she hit whistle note

I dont even listen to her so i wouldnt know if she can sing that hgh. Myke 06:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jill Scott

I have NEVER NEVER EVER heard a song where she sings in whistle register and i have heard all those songs you listed i can't seem to hear it and i haven't heard Tamia's whistle register

Likewise me, but someone seems to be fixated on the notion that both these ladies can sing in the whistle register.... June 14, 2006

I have never heard tamia sing very high in falsetto or head but I heard her hit A5 in chest singing Spend My Life With You but I recently noticed that performance was deleted from youtube. But as far as Jill Scott she can not only sing in the whistle register but the seventh octave. She does so in "Spring Summer Feeling". If you dont believe its her, she hits an effortless D6 in "Gimme". Myke 22:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleo Higgins

What song does she access her whistle register

She sings F#6 in "A Touch of Love". Myke 22:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mariah carey

i have never heard her hit whistle register

[personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] Myke 07:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

lol. User:gulfrazthehunk 16:16, 6th December 2006

[edit] Kimberley Locke

Has she ever hit Whistle register

The highest ive heard from her is D6 live but i dont remember where and some people say she can and ive heard it by numerous people so I left her on but took others off. Myke 07:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

all i can say, she is a great diva.

[edit] Nicole from the pussycat dolls

why did you take her off she hits a whistle note when she was in eden's crush in the songs 1000 words, Let Me Know, I Wanna Be Free

You need to say that before you add her. You can't just add her without publicly giving proof. That's why she was taken off but I added her back on after listening to 1000 words. Next time post in here where she sings in the whistle register and it has to be accessable by anyone. comcast rhapsody really helps me find songs off cds. Her highest is G6 in 1000 words. Myke 02:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

There is still an "edit war" occurring, where anon. users replace "cat:whistle register singers" at Nicole Scherzinger without a source. So far all we have is seemingly "original research" about Scherzinger's voice in the songs "1000 Words" and "Let Me Know What Happens" and "I Wanna Be Free". The cat. should be removed until verified. see WP:CITE --Design 03:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ashanti

why did you take her off if you look up her vocal profile on refrence.com it will show she's highly capable of singing in whistle register. You can also listen to the the song more than a melody off of her can't stop albulm and go to youtube.com and look for her singing the national anthem at which in the end she hits a note above e6.

Yes ashanti should be on here but in the national anthem she hits Eb6. I posted the notes she hits above in another conversation. Myke 02:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ashanti should be on here

she is a coluatra soprano and her highest note is a g6 she dings alot in whistle register on the song more then a melody

LOL That is a horrible song. She sounds nasty in it and the background vocals suck. But I didnt hear a G6 anywhere. and G6 seems like it would be a sour note for this song. G#6 would fit the song best. Myke 02:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh Myke that's so mean LOL TamYum 16:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Well its honest. I know singers who are way better than her and cant even hti C6 but use their range to its best. Myke 02:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Like Aaliyah she sings so nice I'm surprised that she can't sing in the whistle register. Whistle register would fit her voice the most.-JOSH

If Aaliyah was a soprano she'd have such a nice voice. Myke 11:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delta Goodrem

Nobody seems to reply on her talkpage, so...in which song does she go in the whistle register? And does anybody think we should probably archive this page or something, because it is getting rather big... Highconclave 05:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

She goes into whistle in the song Predicitable and My Big Mistake

...when? =/ Highconclave 10:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

you gotta listen to the whole song

I've listened to them both heaps of times; I've never heard her sing in the whistle register. Highconclave 07:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

were you listening carefully?

Incredibly so. Post a clip, or specify the times within the song where she sings in the whistle register; otherwise, I will remove her from this category for lack of evidence. Highconclave 18:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] patti labelle's highest chest note

does anyone know what it was? I think it was in "when you've been blessed" it was slightly higher than monica naranjo's d6 in "shake the house" but I have no tuner so I am lost.

That note is Bb5 I think. Monica does hit C6 in Chicas Malas though. Myke 01:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Patti belts in mixed above about F5. Her highest belt that I knoe of is F6 in "Beat My Heart Like A Drum". She hit an E#6 on burnin' from the album burinin. I don't think she's ever used her highest chest note on a recording.

[edit] Jean Terrell

When does she go into whistle register

She sings in whistle at the very end of "You Gotta Have Love In Your Heart" (a duet with the Four Tops). This song can be found on the Supremes Box Set album. If you sign up for an account at www.napster.com, you can hear this song in its entirety. I wish to add her name myself *whispering* but I'm scurred (just kidding)TamYum 06:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

I deleted the following artists since there is nothing in their discussions or articles saying they access the whistle register in a song:

Erika Alexander, Carina Anderson, Cecili Bartoli, Angelica Catalani, Sarah Connor, Sebnem Ferah, Jim Gillette, Hermoine Gringold, Susaye Greene, Giulia Grisi, Clara Louise Kellogg, Cleo Laine, Estelle Liebling, Jenny Lind, Kimberley Locke, Maureen McGovern, Christina Nilsson, Lea Salonga, Henriette Sontag, Teena Marie, Jean Terrell, and Martha Wash.

Do not add them back on the category without posting information on a song where they hit E6+ or sing in Whistle voice. If you add them back on without doing so, I will just delete them again. Myke 02:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

what? you give orders now? *LOL* Drmagic 03:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Clara Louise Kellogg, Henriette Sontag, Estelle Liebling, Jenny Lind, Angelica Catalani, Hermione Gingold, Giulia Grisi and Maureen McGovern were/are all Coloratura Sopranos. Most of them lived before any great advances in recording technology, so I doubt there'd be many audio recordings. But with the assumption that all coloratura sopranos can sing in the whistle register, perhaps we should re-add them. Highconclave 11:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought they were but it says nothing about them being coloratura sopranos nor singing songs required to hit the whistle register or playing a role in an opera for a coloratura aoprano. Myke 17:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

There's this site [1], which mentions a few of those people (plus some others). Mostly, I've only verified those above as coloratura sopranos through google and whatnot, so I think they're safe. But I'm not sure about Erika Alexander, Sarah Connor, Jean Terrel and the rest. Highconclave 18:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi... just adding something on Cleo Laine...

In her live version of Riding High at Carnegie Hall, she sings up to an A above high C. You'll notice that she uses a really fat sound... so I would consider her to be singing in connected 'super-head voice'.

In reading many discussions about whistle register and super-head voice, my understanding is that the 'whistle register' does not actually connect smoothly to the rest of the voice - aka it is more like falsetto in male vocals. Whereas, the superhead register is a connected part of the voice. What is your take on this?

Rainbow

Superhead is a bad term.. I really dont know why people use it. There is head which most singers sing at or above E6 and make a whistle/bird/fluety tone to the note which is what some people call super head or whistle register or mechanical register and then theres whistle register or whistle voice which is a completely different register itself. This is even rarer in singers(although many people can prodice pitches above E6). this is what betty wright, mariah carey, minnie riperton, georgia brown, adam lopez, sebastian vilas, and chante moore sing highest in. head and falsetto at a certain height can be considered whistle because of the sound but the register officially starts for them at E6. I don't know why an E because it can sound like whistle at D6 or not sound like whistle as high as F6 but that is uncommon. usually at E6 it does sound like a whistle though so this is pretty accurate. 67.181.94.201 07:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martha Wash

doesn't she go into whistle register towards the end of Its raining men the 5:00 version

Wow she ascends from an F6 in that song. I never noticed. But then again i never had the bravery to download it. Myke 09:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cyndi lauper

when does she hit whistle note

[edit] Krystal Harris

I think shes hits a couple whistle notes on her "me and my piano" album which featured the song "supergirl" which she is best known for. In the songs "you're the reason" at (2:30) and "angel on my shoulder"at(2:50) she hits some high notes maybe c6 or d6. They're not the highest out there but they have a lovely tone quality. Ya'll should check her out.

In angel on my shoulder she hits C#6. Myke 00:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

thats what I thought. "you're the reason" probably had a d6 as her top note then.

[edit] Kimberley Locke

What note is she hitting in her performance of "Emotions" i think thats a whistle note

It's a C6. Highconclave 11:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

what note does she hit in If You Ask Me To?

Um...F#5. Please sign your posts. Highconclave 10:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] emmy rossum

why isn't she on here? Sara Brightman is for hitting the same note in phantom of the opera. Funny and sad that with all the bogus singers that have been on this cat, so many singers like her who can actually sing e6 or above are overlooked.

From what I see, Emmy Rossum sings the note a semitone lower than Brightman does. I haven't heard for myself, though. Highconclave 11:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Its an eb6...not quite as strong as Sarah's but still worthy of recognition. Not everyone can nail a tough note like that.

[edit] James Brown

He hit a high note (more like a screech) in "The Big Payback". What was that, a fifth or sixth octave note? (sounded like an Eb6, can't be sure) Someone explained how male singers can make their notes sound higher than they actually are, like Al Green for instance. TamYum 08:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow lol he hit E6 each time but he doesnt have the best control that high so he did hit Eb6 and I think he may have hit F6 as well. Im not sure. But he did hit E6. Myke 03:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL TamYum 06:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dez

I don't know how many people know about her but she has one of the best voices I've ever heard. She is a gospel singer who is a coloratura soprano with immaculate tone quality and a gorgeous whistle voice. She only released on album called "sing for me" but you can hear whistle notes on several songs..."sing for me", "A miracle","i'm calling you", "To God I give the praise" and "thank you Lord". I encourage everyone to take a listen to her, shes worth it.

[edit] Proof

Please list songs in which the following singers access the whistle register in order to keep this category varifiable: Kate Bush, Cyndi Lauper, Lauryn Hill, Kimberley Locke, Trey Lorenz. Myke 03:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Kimberley Locke C6 Emotions Cyndi Lauper - The World Is Stone

I don't think either of them are in the whistle register... Highconclave 12:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Just because the whistle register can be in the 5th octave doesnt mean that any note in the fifth octave or 6th octave is a whistle note. Whistle is either a separate register that mainly is used in the 6th and 7th octave such as mariah carey's range is G5-G#7 or can be the range of notes from E6+ which can be produced in either head voice or falsetto. Kimberely only reached C6 in head voice and Cyndi Lauper only sang in the whistle register once but I dont know what song or where to find the performance. 69.225.238.23 21:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Cyndi Lauper - When you were mine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.174.173.214 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC).

ooh she hits E6 in whistle voice. I thought it would be head or falsetto. Myke 22:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicole Kea from PussyCat Dolls

Why are you removing her she hits a G6 in 1000 Words when she was in Eden's Crush —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.174.173.214 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Songs

Where do Lyrico and Miwa Yoshida sing in the whistle register? Myke 22:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Lyrico in True Romance, and Miwa Yoshida in Suki, as part of the band Dreams Come True. Highconclave 04:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This Clip

Does this clip count as the whistle register? I don't know much about musical range, so I thought I'd better check. It's by Beni Arashiro on her song 'Oh, Happy Day (Studio Live Version)' --Mahogany h00r 12:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes its E6. 67.181.94.201 22:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] names

Nicola Sedda - Ashlee Simpson

why are these two names under the description of "whistle regiter" in the top of the page of the "whistle register singers category"? If it's a mistake I think someone should remove them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.55.89.94 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Eryah Badu

She hits D6 in her song Stay on her Live album. And it sounds like mixed. 67.181.94.201 21:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JoJo

What notes is she hitting in the Song "Too Little, Too Late"

Highest is an E6. Highconclave 13:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kyla

Here is her whistle note [2]

Yeah that was B6. She had trouble hitting the note though. She held it good though. Myke 06:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jonalyn Viray =

Here is her whistle note, too!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYw2zoVCRRo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.92.235.234 (talk) 04:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Eric Martin of MrBIG

I think Eric Martin can be added to the category, he hitted something like G6 or A6 with a tipical whistle register sound in his performances. I think he hits a G6 at the end of the song "Electrified" too. Also, I was reading lots of discussions about another singer ( here in wikipedia too )with the widest vocal range ever and he has a great powerful voice ( a 7th/8th or more octave singer! ), but no one added him. the link is Link: http://www.nicolasedda.com just another thing ....lots of the singers added for an E6 or F6 don't hit those notes in whistle, but falsetto. These singers should be removed.

Whistle register is 2 things, the notes in falsetto and head at and above E6, and the vocal register itself. Myke 21:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

whistle register is two things? I’m sorry but you are wrong, where did you read this? Reading the whistle register and vocal registration pages I’ve seen there’s a big confusion about it.. a singer can arrive to it ( if he/she can ) in two ways, that is very different from what you have written, usually singers arrive to it from falsetto, and arrived to a high limit note the larynx changes register ( if we consider falsetto as a register ... I usually don’t) to whistle register, but this doesn’t mean that whistle is falsetto in the sounds above E6. whistle register is only 1 ( one ) thing, like all the other registers are. During falsetto, vocal chords are not connected ( or less connected ) while during whistle register the chords are zipped and closer, so how can you say they are the same thing? larynx works in a different way. If we consider whistle as a vocal register, the singers added in this category should sing with a vocal register that is not falsetto, and is not head...but a “register” that works in a different way. The singers added for high falsetto ( e.g. for a E6 ) should be added in a head register/falsetto singers category cause their larynx doesn’t change register. Even if the sound seems whistle, pay more attention to what (and how) they do before adding them. In this page you are adding thousands of singers only for one or two notes in that register to their limit ( near the explosion of their heads )...I don’t think it has sense to have this category... only really talented singers like Mado Robin, Mariah Carey, Minnie Riperton, Georgia Brown, Adam Lopez should be added. They are real rappresentative of what whistle register is. again can someone reply about singers above ( MRBIG's singer and the other)?

LOL you mis interpreted what i had said. Whistle register is 2 different things. It can be the register which is usually sung by Mariah Carey, Minnie Riperton, Adam Lopez, Georgia Brown, Betty Wright and some other singers. Or it can be flageolet register which by opera is the fluety sounding notes starting at E6. And all opera singers sing this way in their head voices. Mado Robin does not use whistle she uses head. Its considered unmusical to sing in whistle since it can be airy and head voice is much more appropriate. But they should stay in the same category since for some singers it is difficult to tell which vocal register they are singing in. And head register is usually the second highest of registers which whistle is first. For example my head goes up to G6 and so does Mariah Carey's. Myke 00:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Again, I didn’t misinterpreted what you’ve said, I don’t want to be mean, but I work in the Opera field too and I know what I’m saying. It’s very long to write it here so I’ll write only simple things. Whistle register is one thing ( again ), you can arrive to it from falsetto or head voice. Also, whistle register can sound airy (flageolet) if you chose to use more air or it can sound more prickly...it dipends on what we are singing needs, but the larynx works in the same way, and works in a different way form high head and high falsetto. Have you ever asked yourself way whistle register is called flageolet too? Lots of great books write “whistle/flageolet is a distinction without a difference” cause the larynx works in the same way, also we can have sounds more airy in head voice..but that doesn’t mean that it’s falsetto... Telling that whistle is high falsetto and head too, you are saying that whistle register is not a register and it doesn’t exist, cause all registers are one thing. Again, forget E6 as a limit, talking about whistle register, or talking about registers, we are talking about a changing in the larynx. I don’t want to be mean so I'll stop here and pass over it, but I think soon we will have a whistle register singers category of about 2 million singers ( without adding all babies in the world, cats birds and so on...) So, going over this discussion, please, reply about these singers I’ve posted above, have you listened to those singers’ songs? I think Eric Martin hits an A6 live too, but I don’t remember the song. also for Demetrio Stratos, a greek singer, I've heard he hitted something in the 8th octave.

I understand what you are saying. Whistle register is the fluety/whistle-like/bird-like sounds in the upper range of the head and falsetto voices. But if you listen to Mariah Carey, Minnie Riperton, Adam Lopez, Chante Moore, Sebastian Vilas, Georgia Brown, Nina Girado, and other singers, they sing in a different register. you know the difference between head and falsetto, this is whistle voice. If you want a clip of what the difference is, I can show you by posting a clip of Mariah hitting C6 in head and then lower in whistle. Whistle is what has an airy tone. You can make head have an airy tone but whistle voice is like that naturally. Mariah uses whistle more than her head voice. Her head voice can only be heard on tracks like Dreamlover, the "You" in chorus to Emotions, Someday, When You Believe, You Need Me(C6), Never Too Far, and some other songs but besides that she usually uses falsetto and whistle. You know opera but whistle voice isnt used in opera. Only head I believe which can be head from singers like Beverly Sills, Mado Robin, Natalie Dessay, Maria Callas, and other popular coloraturas although Im not very knowledgable about opera as much as contemporary singing. 67.181.94.201 19:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MISIA

MISIA sings a G6 in the opening of her debut song, つつみ込むように. She also sings A6s, but they are not sustained. [3]

Yeah she screwed up Lovin' You though. The worst rendition ever. But she did hit F6 in it lol. Myke 00:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] verified whistle register singer

Christina Aguilera - The Christmas Song, Car Wash

Toya Alexis - If you really love me, I Believe in you and me

Vanessa Amorosi - I Wanna Be your Everything

Beni Arashiro - Oh Happy Day

Ashanti - National Anthem

Erykah Badu - Stay (from her live album)

Shoshana Bean - Ain't No Way

Tamar Braxton - Money Can't Buy you Love

Tisha Campbell - Don't Ask my Neighbor

Blu Cantrell - Waste my Time

Kelly Clarkson - Natural Woman (live on American idol)

Sarah Connor - From Sarah with Love

Linda Eder - Man of La Mancha (Live)

Terry Ellis - Don't Go

Rachelle Ferrell - It Only took a Mintue

Lisa Fischer - How Can I Ease the Pain

Rachelle Ann Go - Never too Far (live)

Cleo Higgins - A Touch of Love

JoJo - Too Little, Too Late

Sabrina Johnston - To Zion (Background vocals)

Beyonce - Happy Face

Rachael Lampa - Shaken, You Lift Me Up

Cyndi Lauper - When you Were Mine

Chante Moore - Inside My Love

Lani Misalucha - Lovin You

Debelah Morgan - I Remember

Monica Naranjo - Shake the House

Nicole from the Pussycat Dolls - 1000 Words

Jill Scott - Gimme

Shanice - Lovin You

Karen Clark Sheard - You Showed Me

Jessica Simpson - Your Faith in Me

Angie Stone - Groove Me

Regine Velasquez - More the Words Can Say

Angela Via - Picture Perfect

Martha Wash - It's Raining Men

Betty Wright - After the Pain

Patti Labelle - Beat My Heart Like a Drum

Willa Ford - Ooh, Ooh, and Haunted Heart

Vivian Green - Frustrated

Rosie Gaines - Diamonds and Pearls

Lin Bo - Mr. D.J.

Nina Girado - Foolish Heart

All of those are correct except:

Ashanti only gets up to Eb6 in the national anthem although it was effortless and very loud, Erykah Badu only hits D6 although it is in mixed which means her head voice is higher, Jill scott only hits D6 in head but its very effortless, Patti Labelle doesnt hit a F6 in BMHLAD but she did hit Eb6 live in Lady Marmalade, and Willa Ford only sings in the whistle register in ooh ooh where she hits G6. And Monica Naranjo only hits like Bb5 in Shake The House.

But here are some you missed:

• Christina: Soar-F6, What A Girl Wants live-G6
• Philip Bailey: Reasons Live-F6, Devotion live-E6
• Shoshana Bean: All I Want For Christmas Is You live-E6
• Sarah Brightman: Angel of Music-E6
• James Brown: The Payback-E6
• Kandi Burruss: My Little Secret-Eb6, Understanding-D6
• Marcella Detroit: Stay-F6
• Howie Dorough: All I Have To Give-A6
• Cheryl "Coko" Gamble: Downtown-E6
• Nina Girado: Simula-E7
• Janet Jackson: He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive-D6
• Kyla: Someday-B6
• Amel Larrieux: For Real-F#6
• Lani Misalucha: I Will Always Love You live-A6
• Chante Moore: Wey U-B6
• Debelah Morgan: Fall In Love Again-Bb6
• Monica Naranjo: Chicas Malas-C6(chest)
• Minnie Riperton: We're Going Wrong-D7
• Nicolette "Nikki" Palikat: Pinta-F#6
• Yma Sumac: Chuncho-C#7
• Steven Tyler: Crazy-E6
• Barbara Weathers: If Your Heart Isn't In It-F6
• Deniece Williams: Every Time He Comes Around-G6
• Shanice Wilson: Breathe Again-A6
• Angela Winbush: Settle Down-E6
• Betty Wright: No Pain, No Gain Live-F7, No Pain, No Gain-G6
• YaZarah: Baby-E6
• Jane Zhang Liang: Lovin' You live-G6

Some you already put but you didn't put the highest note or im putting another one to back it up. Myke 00:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jennifer Hudson

When has she sung in Whistle?

That's a hard one. I don't know of any songs. Just live performances. I've heard her hit B6 in some song live. It was in head voice. She said she'd rather sing in head voice cause she believes whistle will ruin your voice. You can ask her on myspace. But I can't send you anything or tell you where she sings in whistle sorry. Myke 00:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tisha Campbell

In Don't ask my neighbor at what time dose she hit whistle register

If you send me the file I can tell you cause i cant seem to download it. Myke 07:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicola Sedda

I've visited his site and he's a great singer, if not the greatest I've ever heard. he hits F7 in "in another life", C7 in "painted on a wall", E7-C7 in "their shine inside" and has recorded a vocal exhibition on sounds from the first octave to the 9th octave in 2005. I think he hits a B6 during the guitar solo in "the sense of time" but I'm not sure.

[edit] Criteria for inclusion of material in whistle register category

I'm having problems sorting out that whistle register category. After adding hundreds of fact tags to original research statements as you proposed and removing singers from the category one by one who are not sourced as having the ability (over 100 actually), a user is now rv'ing hundreds of changes [4]. Can you stop this, it is incredibly frustrating to have someone put back hundreds of unsourced statements and original research items on living person's biographies talk pages --I'll bring the food 15:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

This user doesn't seem to understand that I only reverted his changes to others comments on talk pages. I think it's been cleared up by now. — getcrunk what?! 16:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm very glad if it's been cleared up. However, let me be quite clear in case there is any residual problem. Non-negotiable wiki policy is VERIFY. This means that any material has to be referenced by a reliable source. Comments on talk pages are not a reliable source. Any editor has the right to remove any material from an article (or a category) that is not so referenced, if that editor chooses. It is up to the person wanting to include it to provide the reference. If someone reinstates material, knowing that it has been removed because it is not referenced, they are violating wiki policy and may have editor privileges withdrawn by being blocked. In the case of this particular list, this can be taken as a final warning, although one which I hope is unnecessary. Happy editing! Tyrenius 20:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if the outcome of this is frustrating and disappointing for you, and I fully understand that, especially if a lot of work has been put into it. The basic principles of editing are in NOR and VERIFY. This is because 99% of the time, it's the best thing. Maybe this is one of the 1% where it isn't. Nothing's perfect. Unfortunately, yes, if something is contested, then it is up to the editor who wants to include it to provide a verifiable secondary source to back their claim. If this is a notable feature (and I know nothing about it) then presumably someone somewhere has written about it, or noted that a particular artist is capable of reaching it. If no one has, then it becomes (as it is at the moment) original research and wikipedia is the wrong place for that. I suggest you find another site which would welcome that kind of information, so that it is not wasted. Tyrenius 04:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

How do you source something like that. like I know most of those singers who were deleted use whistle register. It took alot of research to expand the category that far and I do not believe it was fair to delete those artists off the list without a notice of anykind. but now youre saying even if we know a certain singer accesses the whistle register, we cannot add them back on without a reliable source? I have posted clips of singers accessing the whistle register on here before. You can atleast help us to add sources and varify singers. And I have a list of about 60 singers who access the whistle register, the song they sing highest in(to my knowledge), and the highest note. Myke 23:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I have moved your comments down slightly so our conversation is more coherent. Basically, I believe we can and will find sources that are reliable to add to those articles, I know in the case of Mariah that they do exist. I also believe your Original research actually belongs on a website, a proper one so that it can be used as a source. Have you considered your own website? It must be one with a proper domain name and properly built, you'd have to refer to the MM:SS of each song in which the note was done, I believe that would not be original research if we then used it--I'll bring the food 12:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] [personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)]

This has gone far enough. After so many people have put countless hours of effort into making this page the fun, interesting and insightful piece that it is, it makes abosolutely no sense [personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] to delete all that we have done because they simply don't like it. Lets face it the facts here, relying solely on publications written mostly for the musically dumb to tell us every singer in the world's highest and lowest notes is ridiculous! They write about hype, gossip and other things that the majority of americans want to hear about. Only a select few like us care to read about a singers vocal profile or read articles containing information about their syle and abilities. What makes their opinions so much better than ours? They would be doing the exact same thing as us anway! Hear a song.. get a tuner...gee that's a g6! Come on! [personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] ! If mean to tell me that if you listen to a Debelah Morgan or Shanice song you are gonna tell me that, that B6 you just heard is not a whistle note because some music writer hasn't said it is?!..[personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.116.71 (talk • contribs) .

That post was a blatant violation of the no personal attacks policy. Please don't do it again. This is a final warning. Thanks. Also study NOR and WP:VERIFY. We all have the same rules. Tyrenius 03:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Some of the very singers removed are citable as having five octave ranges and what-not. Wikipedia is a sad place today. Let's just remove the cats ar go on with our lives. It was fun while it lasted 216.141.226.190 01:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok both of you kinda overreacted. I mean I can understand both points of view but I mean we should dicuss each singer and their songs first before deciding if they should be deleted or not or if someone is to be added. But there are singers like Debelah Morgan, Shanice, Christina, Mariah, Rachelle Ferrell, Angela Via, Betty Wright, Yma Sumac, Jane Zhang Liang, Lani Misalucha, Nina Girado, Regine Velasquez and many other who if not known for singing in the whistle register, are known for their range which can bring up the question of if they do or not and those people should stay. Where as singers like Cassie and Ciara, we wouldnt even think of adding. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Myke209 (talk • contribs) .

I think everyone who contributed something should just keep on re-adding it. This information was deleted because according to higher up's, it was deemed "misleading" if you will. Whats more more misleading however is telling the world that only 11 people in the entire musical universe are capable of using this register. FIGHT BACK!

That would be a very bad idea and would likely get all those involved banned from wikipedia. There is a simple good reason for the changes - WP:LIVING. If you say something false about someone, you can end up in a lot of legal trouble (general 'you', not previous poster). The policy exists for a reason as policy. LinaMishima 03:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

What Im going to do is add anyone who's articles say they sing in the whistle register. Myke 03:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

That's a reasonably sensible plan to have, Myke. But I would advise you to check that there is a reference supporting such a statement first, as otherwise it should be the statement that is removed, rather than the catagory added. LinaMishima 03:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Well like I'm also adding all the actresses who have played Glinda in Wicked and those who have played Christine Daae from PoTO because those roles require E6's. And I know this for a fact. And the Whistle Register artile also says so. And singers such as Debelah Morgan and Shanice are well known for their abilities in whistle. Myke 09:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

What? Based on information on wiki? Wiki is not supposed to cite itself as a source. Ergo actresses in "Wicked" cannot be added to the whistle register cat without independent sources verifying the notes being hit. Reliable ones--I'll bring the food 14:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I confirm that this statement by I'll bring the food is a correct interpretation of policy. Tyrenius 10:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'll go through this as there is confusion and rv's by me and others all over the place.

Whistle register - article belongs in the category because it relevant to it.

Georgia Brown - this singer is known for a range including the whistle register - she holds a record for her range and is therefore applicable, her range does not have holes in it.

Mariah Carey - mariah carey is known for her whistle register and "dog whistle" as reviewers call it, pejoratively.

Adam Lopez - Lopez holds a former record for 7th octave, is well known for his whistle which is mentioned in his biographies, and is basically a one trick pony, of which the whistle is his trick.

Brett Manning - Brett Manning is fishy to me, still I have his cd set and he does in fact assert that he posesses whistle register, ergo he's allowed in cause he says he has it in an authoritive text on the subject.

Roberta Peters - classical singer - from article "Bing had her sing the Queen of Night's second aria from Mozart's Die Zauberflöte (with its four Fs above high C), seven times, listening from all parts of the hall to make sure she could fill the hall with sound. He scheduled her to sing the role in 1951." F above high C is whistle.

Lily Pons - from article: "Lily Pons had a small voice but in her early days, flawless technique and very secure top notes. She was the first soprano who effortlessly reached the high F in Delibes' Lakmé." The high F is a whistle note. I think this singer may need removing from the category, unless this statement can be traced back to somebody elses article.

Cited reference to Pons' high range by a contemporary of hers -- Nina Morgana. Like many coloratura sopranos, Pons could easily vocalize a high F; however, be careful in using this as a criterion -- not every high F is sung in whistle-tone; it can also be part of a soprano's tessitura. It's the quality of the sound that decides the register. As Pons was renowned for those light and plentiful high notes, including her doesn't seem to be a stretch. This category is going to skew heavily towards classical sopranos, I think, simply because their ranges are better documented.--Marysunshine 03:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Minnie Riperton - Riperton is known for her whistle. Full stop. Like Carey. Everyone knows it. It's her trademark, she *is* what people think of when they think of the whistle. Common knowledge.

Erna Sack - "Her career really started in high gear in 1930 when her uncanny ability to sing those stratospheric high notes, including c4 (C above high C). (Richard Strauss later wrote a new cadenza for her high voice, for her to sing as Zerbinetta in Ariadne auf Naxos)." - the Richard Strauss writing classical music with whistle notes for her voice could be easily verified.

Dorico Alonzo Tyree - This singer has authoritive proof of range from their press release which is scanned in the article.

Sebastián Vilas - his bio mentions whistle.

These were the reason they were left, and the reason I restored them when they were untagged by an IP. Others were removed again because they do not have any sort of proof attached to them, other than that provided by original research.--I'll bring the food 16:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] . How can you not see that Deniece William's article says that she is hitting the high notes in Minnie Riperton's 'Every Time He Comes Around' which goes up to G6, well in the whistle register. Many other singers should be added back on. Anyone knows Shanice, Debelah Morgan, Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson, Betty Wright, Rachelle Ferrell, Lisa Fischer, Amel Larrieux, Jessica Simpson, and Yma Sumac are whistle register singers. [personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] . Why are wikipedians suddenly so difficult. Just because they haven't done something themselves they want to take part in undoing what many people helped produce. Any many of these singers can be found singing in the whistle register on youtube. Thats visual and audio proof. Myke 12:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, please remember to assume good faith, and that personal attacks are not allowed. You see, not everybody either knows what a whistle register is, or has the musical ability to identify it themselves. However this does not preclude such people from seeking information on artists who may be whistle register singers. Unfortunately, the crux of the problem lies in that articles on living people have a greater duty than all other articles to be verifiable. I propose rather than arguing about this here, a guideline or policy change suggestion is most certainly in order. Not on the point of WP:LIVING or WP:VERIFY, but on means of verifying musical abilities (not just whistle register) which may often be considered so obvious by experts so as to not be cited anywhere. LinaMishima 13:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

*eyeroll* "Anyone knows Shanice, Debelah Morgan, Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson, Betty Wright, Rachelle Ferrell, Lisa Fischer, Amel Larrieux, Jessica Simpson, and Yma Sumac are whistle register singers. Anyone who doesnt must be either ignorant, sheltered, naïve, meltally retarded, or stupid." Aside from the insults and implied notion that I am retarded (thanks dear) hardly anybody knows these singers have whistle. Are you seriously implying *anyone* knows about Amel Larrieux's ability in the whistle register? Before I removed the OR from her article I'd never even heard of her, let alone her alleged talents in whistle.--I'll bring the food 15:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I, for one, am very happy with this abridged list. It includes singers who are renowned for their whistle ability, not just anyone and everyone who can allegedly squawk a high F. Bravo to I'll bring the food for being bold and keeping the encyclopedia encyclopedic. --Marysunshine 23:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

thought: why not then have two catagories, "renouned for whistle register" and "whistle register"? Whilst perhaps a little cludgy, it would certainly help quench the arguements. LinaMishima 00:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I like the originality of that thought. It might work. I think a huge part of the problem is the lack of "authoritative" sources for whistle register singers. What I'm doing now is looking up various people and terms in databases such as LexisNexis, JSTOR, ProQuest, and www.grovemusic.com. These articles are either journalistic and/or scholarly, and might be able to help with disputes. --Marysunshine 00:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I recall giving google a quick try, but obviously that was doomed to fail. Had I known of such sources, I would have tried them. LinaMishima 00:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. :) Several of the ones above are subscription-only, but luckily my undergrad account hasn't been disabled (yet). As you might expect, many of them conservatively estimate vocal capabilities -- Yma Sumac's range is modestly described as "well over three octaves" by Grove Music Online, but it's certainly a start to solving the debate. If anyone has access to a good public library or school music library, they can also look in reference guides like Grove there --Marysunshine 01:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh, I might have access to similar things then, too, being both student and staff at my uni. But then, I'm an engineering type who normally knows little outside of the IEEE journals :P LinaMishima 01:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What was the use...

Of deleting all the names that were there anyway? They are slowly, but surely, being added right back to the list. And Myke, I totally agree with you. [personal attack removed--I'll bring the food 21:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)] . Those of us with good sense know that Deniece Williams, Yma Sumac, Rachelle Ferrell, and Betty Wright sing in whistle register, along with many others. TamYum 20:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You people i swear. You may not know who Amel Larrieux is, but anyone who knows who she is knows she sings in the whistle register fequently. And isn't that the reason people use encyclopedias anyways? To find information they don't know or to find more information on a subject? And as of now, this isn't a category for "renouned whistle register singers", its for all whistle register singers. And you are forgetting the other singers. Now as I said, this is an encyclopedia, just because you may not know something, doesn't mean it shouldn't be on here. That if anything, should give that information a better reason to be on here, because not many people know this. And just because someone doesn't know what whistle register is or the difference between (super)head E6+ and whistle voice, doesn't mean that other people can't be a reliable source of information. If you don't know something or are not sure of it then don't try to take part in something. I know what whistle register is. I know who sings in it. Now what I'm going to do, is I am going to post links to youtube on articles of those singers singing in the whistle register which should be good enough if regine velasquez who only sang one F6 in her life is on here. Myke 04:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

"just because you may not know something, doesn't mean it shouldn't be on here"

Tghat's quite correct - but on the other hand, just because you do know something, doesn't mean it should be on here. All Encyclopedias are based on facts. Before something can be placed within one, it has to be referenced. Without this, the Encyclopedia would become next to useless for anyone looking for correct information. To further strengthen this proof, it is required to be from an established and respected source and availible for everyone to check against. Hence a quote from someone can only be used as a source for the quote itself - and even then it would be poor, as ideally you want a secondary observer to note it as being said. I remind you again that some of us have looked for evidence, but not found any. For my final point, Youtube unfortunately suffers from a number of problems as a source. firstly, that anyone can upload a video, which makes the next point harder to deal with. Secondly, that we have only the uploader's word that the video is not a fake or hoax. Finally, in this case what we need proof of is not that she can hit notes that an expert would recognise as being in the whistle register, but that an expert does recognise them as being in the whistle register. A sound clip of the note being hit alone is not enough to prove this. LinaMishima 12:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Can you list the songs in which Amel Larrieux does whistle register. I know about her snog for real but list others, People who KNOW HER MUSIC know she sings in it frequently so give us some more songs that she uses them in. PLEASE-JOSH

[edit] Referencing Project

Ok, rather than continuing to be silly about this, I propose that we undertake a group attempt to reference artists' whistle register status. I need to ask those who wish to have an artist recognised add the artist, then those willing to check for references add a reference check line. This reference check line should be added even if no information is found, as this prevents duplicate checks. Please use the followng formatting system for the entries and place them within the following 'artists to check' section:

*[artist name]
**[source] [term checked for] [depth of search] '''[result]'''
***[details of document found]

Example:

• Chloe Readman
  • Google '"Chloe Readman" whistle register -athlete -physics' Ten results pages Fail

[edit] Artists to check

• Chante Moore
  • B6, 'Wey U', Waiting To Exhale: Original Soundtrack Album
  • G6, 'With You I'm Born Again', Things That Lovers Do
  • F#6, 'Things That Lovers Do', Things That Lovers Do
  • A6, 'Free/Sail On', A Love Supreme

• Jojo
  • E6, 'Too Little, Too Late', The High Road

• Debelah Morgan
  • msn music website

• Debelah Morgan
  • [5]**

This site contains a review which states her ability to hit "mariah-like" falsettos

• Nicolette Palikat
  • [6] - Transcribed from a newspaper article. It's in Malay, but mentions "whistling ala Mariah Carey" in English.

• • This source is not acceptable as it is not in English.--I'll bring the food 19:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The section regarding the whistle register, the part we are concerned about, is written in English. Highconclave 22:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other assertions

The following does not fit into the required format, and has been moved out from the above list. Content retained, as people object to wholesale removal.

I feel she should be added to the list (and the seventh octave) list as well, since she is qualified in the same manner as Minnie Riperton. If she can "know" Minnie is a seventh octave singer, then Debelah Morgan should be on the list as well. Her assertion is in MS Music [[7]]Antares33712 16:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Does it say where Morgan's range begins? Cause it could well be B2.--88.105.98.246 14:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Neither does it say where Minnie's range begins technically, nor Mariah :-) Antares33712 20:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Mariah is well known for her whistle, as is riperton. Their inclusion is based on wholesale, good old fashioned notability.--I'll bring the food 23:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motion to re-add Chante Moore

I think Chante Moore should be re-added because in the liner notes of her 20th century master's "Best of Chante Moore" album it states that she has a 5 octave range

Please add to the referencing project section using the format given. LinaMishima 05:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

That would probably count as a primary source, and we need secondary sources to verify LinaMishima 05:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

{text moved into the correct section} LinaMishima 13:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Minnie Riperton and Debalah Morgan also are notable for five-octave vocal ranges Antares33712 13:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Then please do not state this here - add to the above section in the format I have asked for. If you want myself and others to check them out for references, we need things in a useable and concise format. Once they have been added to the above, and any hints given, we will look into checking them out - you could also look for references yourself. LinaMishima 15:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know we were doing that. I've largely stayed out of the fray Antares33712 16:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I seem a little harsh. When someone offers to go out of their way to verify information, it is helpful if it is provided in a format that makes checking it simple and is free from additional text that has to be read around. Hence it should be understandable that one can get a little irritated when they have to reformat themselves. The msn music website is not finishing loading information for me, preventing a quick 'yes'. LinaMishima 17:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

As one would expect from microsoft, the MSN music site does not load in FireFox, only in IE ¬.¬. Not knowing enough about music myself, I will only mark someone as successfully referenced if the references state 'whistle register'. The Whistle register article seems to support this, hinting that vocal range alone may not be enough. If the definition of the whistle register can be clarified, this may help matters. LinaMishima 14:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

In terms of talking about female singers a 5 octave range would have to put them in the whistle register at some point. I have yet to see any one female who can sing as low as Barry White, so really whats the promblem here? I know some females like Toni or Mary J. Blige can sing very deep, but still the female voice isn't designed to sing that low, so at some point(excuse the redundency) a woman with 5 octaves would have to sing at least to the top of the 6th octave which for sure is in the whistle register.

True. even four octaves in some cases. Most opera singers only have a 2 octave range. a five octave keyboard is from C2-C7. So if a female singer sings at the lowest, F2 which is the lowest any female singer has ever sung, they would have to sing F6 to make their range 4 octaves so five octaves would have to be F7 at the highest but I'm sure those singers ranges' are overrated. Mariah Carey only has a 4.5 octave range herself. The reason why I say 5 octaves seems overrated is because this means the singer lets say their lowest note is B2, they would have to hit B7 in whistle which chante moore and Debelah rarely sing in the 7th octave. whistle yes but not 7th octave. Now Debelah uses head voice but chante uses whistle. You can tell this because when she sings in whistle in "With You I'm Born Again", the tone is airier than head voice and even though it is high, it sounds low in the register. Myke 22:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

A 5 octave range does not mean whistle register neccessarily. 5 octaves in European notation is actually 4 octaves in US notation. I havent a clue why they are different but they are. This means that it is very feasible for a women to have a range of D2 to D6, this being 5 octaves in EU notation, and therefore is not able to be added into the whistle register category. Also to clarify Mariah has more then 5 octaves (5 octabes 2 notes to be exact) as she sang to F2 in a live rendition of "You & I" and also he famous G#7 in emotions in 1993.

Mariah is miscredited with a 5 octave range in American notation. Shes an american singer. It would make no sence for her to be known in America for a 5 octave range in American notation. She didnt't hit F2 in any song. She barely hit C3 in You And I. If thats F2 then I can hit F1 easily. I know she hit G#7 in Emotions twice. but that means she has to be able to hit atleast G#2 to live up to the claims made about her. Her lowest is Bb2 in a vocal demonstration. Besides that her lowest is C3 which she hit many times. Myke 11:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

No myke your wrong. She sang down to C#3 plenty of times, she also sang a Bb2 in there and where she sings "We can conquor the world" she sings from D3 to B2 held then down to an F2. She has also hit G#2 in a live rendition of my all, B2 in the album version and Bb2 and B2 in the "Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (Anniversary Mix)".

Considering all the sources I have seen on 5 octave ranges thus far were written in America by American writers, I think it is safe to assume that they were not talking about the european notion of range, (which is slightly more complicated and more difficult for people to understand). I think many people make the mistake of assuming a singer has a 4 or 5 octave range because they can sing specific notes within those octaves, when in truth they may not be able to sing ALL of the notes. Take myself for example. I can sing B2-A6 which puts me just 1 note shy of a full 4 octaves, still I am considered to have a 4 octave range by some because I can sing most of the notes within 4 octaves. I appreciate the gesture but still unless I can squeak out that B6, I technically don't have a 4 octave range which I think is the case for a lot of diputed singers.

Did I not say she hits C#3 plenty of times? But she is rarey heards singing that low live. She hits C3 in Emotions, My All(not B2), You're So Cold, and as for You And I, on world she hits: E3, E3, D3, E3, D3, (holds it) D3, D3, C#3, C3 and breaks off. Now as far as My All, I've heard so many rumors about the live and studio versions. I've heard of every note G#2-B2. But I have never heard nor seen nothing personally. And the lowest I've heard was Bb2 form that vocal demonstration. But still I consider her range C3-G#7 when showing PROOF. Now she hit C3 plenty of times. And she hit G#7 twice with Emotions and recorded F#7 in All In Your Mind. And as far as Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town, I don't listen to the remixes cause I hate dance/techno music. But I will check it cause I'm always looking for more low notes from her. Myke 03:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Singers Not Added

The following singers are able to sing above E6 and therefore need to be added back into this category:

Chante Moore: G#6 (I See You In A Different light), G6 (Free/Sail On), E7 (?) and many other tracks. Uses whistle frequently.

Debelah Morgan: Bb6 (Think Of You, Fall In Love Again, What Would You Do), A6 (Bring Back The Sun) and many other tracks. Uses frequently (basically in every track shes sung).

Christina Aguilera: C#7 (Christmas Song), G#6 (What A Girl Wants), F#6 (Carwash, Soar), F6 (Falsas Esperanzas), E6 (Christmas Song, This Year, Oh Holy Night)

Rachelle Ferrell: D7 (It Only Took A Minute, I Can Explain (Live)), C#7 (Special, With Open Arms), F6 (Why You Wanna Mess It All Up)

Angela Via: C7 (Picture Perfect), B6 (Boys and Girls) and many other tracks. Uses frequently.

Maria Callas: E#6 (Bell Song (Live))

Ymu Sumac: C#7 (Chunco) and also numerous F#6's, F6's and E6's.

Shanice: G#6 (Stop Cheatin' On Me), F6 (Lovin' You), G#6 (Yesterday)

Amel Bent: C7 (Partis Trop Tot), Bb6 (Le Droit A L'Erreur)

Kelly Clarkson: F#6 (You Make Me Feel (Like A Natural Women) (Live))

Shoshana Bean: A6 (Ain't No Way (Live))

Vannessa Amorosi: E6 (I Wanna Be Your Everything)

Jessica Simpson: G#6 (Newleyweds Live), E6 (Your Faith In Me)

Kyla: C7 (Someday (Live))

Nina Girado: E7 (Simola), F#6 (Foolish Hearts) and many others. Uses frequently.

Regine Valesquez: F6 (More Than Words Can Say)

Beyonce: E6. Cant remember the name of the song.

Blue Cantrell: B6 (Waste My Time)

Jane Zhang: F6 (Lovin' You)

Jo Jo: E6 (Too Little Too Late)

Lin Bao: A7 (Mr. DJ), E7 (Mr. DJ), C7 (Unknown Track)

Rachelle Ann Go: C7 (Live Rehersal), G#6 (Never Too Far (Live)), F#6 (When You Find Your Voice (Live))

Lani Mishalucha: F6 (Lovin' You)

Mado Robin: C7 (Mad Scene (Live)), B6 (Mad Scene (Live))

Nicola Sedda (who is a male :P): A9 (Vocal Range Game), F7 (Another Life), C7 (Pained On A Wall)

Patti LaBelle: F6 (Beat My Heart Like A Drum, When You Smile), E6 (Beat My Heart Like A Drum)

Olivia Newton John: G6 (Sam (Live)), G#6, F6 both live and i dont know the tracks.

Lauryn Hill:; E#6 (To Zion)

Lisa Fischer: G6 (How Can I Ease The Pain), F6 (How Can I Ease The Pain), E6 (Get Back To Love) and many other tracks, uses frequently.

Angela Winbush: F#6 (I've Learnt To Respect (The Power Of Love)), F6 (Dream Lover) and hits many E6's.

Tama Braxton: D7 (Money Can't Buy Me Love)

Betty Wright: F7 (No Pain (No Gain) (Live)), C7

Philip Bailey: F6 (Reasons (Live))

Tisha Cambell-Martin: G6 (Live)

Toya Alexis: G#6 (I Believe In You And Me)

Vivian Green: F6 (Frustrated)

Willa Ford: F#6 (Ooh Ooh)

Snail2 08:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Even though what you posted helped my research, it is the reason why this category requires proof at such high demands. See alot of this is wrong but alot I haven't heard of(which i will later research). But these are the errors I see:

• E#6? Shouldnt you just say F6?
• Jessica Simpson hits F6 in "Your Faith In Me" but E6 live
• Kyla only hits B6 in "Someday". The key is lowered.
• This isn't an error but Beyonce hits E6 in "Happy Face"
• Blu Cantrell only hits Bb6 in "Waste My Time"
• Vivian Green hits E6 not F6 in "Frustrated"
• Willa Ford hits G6 not F#6 in "Ooh Ooh"

And these are not errors just help.

• Lani Misalucha hits F6 in Lovin' You but it would be more appropriate to add her A6 in "I Will Always Love You (Live)" and G#6 in "The Diva Dance (Live)". She does sing high often though.
• Chante Moore hits B6 in "Wey U" from the Waiting To Exhale soundtrack
• Maria Callas also hits F6 in "Der Holle Rache"
• Shanice hits A6 in "Breathe Again" which is a live recording on Baby Face's 'MTV Unplugged NYC 1997'
• And Tisha Campbell also hits G6 in "Don't Ask My Neighbor" from the "Sprung" soundtrack

Myke 11:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Further up the page you will find the section entitled "Referencing Project", within which there is an artists to check section. I will not assist in verifying any artists not detailed within that section in the requested format. On the other hand, if you put them in that section, I will check on Proquest and other services, etc, to see if we have a good source stating that their whistle register ability. There is still the problem with whistle register that it does not clearly define the register in a manner that allows note-reaching alone to count for being able to use it - a concensus on this would be very useful for all of us concerned (ideally with references supporting it). LinaMishima 14:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

What about Julie Andrews, when does she hit a whistle note

I've personally never heard Julie Andrews sing in the whistle register, but that is something we can find a reference for. Highconclave 04:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Julia Andrews has only sung up to C#6 and her fans used a tuner and thought it was a C#7 as tuners sometimes get the octaves wrong. Mike I'm sorry but i did all of that from memory so if i got a few notes wrong. E#6 means that the pitch lies inbetween an E6 and a F6, as the vibrato of a singer voice takes the note between the two. I wasn't aware of Maria Callas hitting an F6 and lani misaluncha i didnt realise hit an A6, and much the same with the rest of them; i didn't know that either those tracks existed or those notes were hit in those tracks. I also wasn't trying to provide their highest notes just evidence that they can sing at E6 and above.

Also mike i agree with you on the definition of whistle register. for instance debelah actually sings in either head or superhead not in whistle, and lani uses head. Patti belted the F6 in "Beat My Heart Like A Drum" and also the E6.

I dont agree with the term "superhead" though. All it is is head voice where the sound and color changes. Theres only chest, mixed, head, falsetto, and whistle that you can sing in and then glottal which you cant sing in so is useless. But I have listened to When You Smile and Beat My Heart Like A Drum and wasted my time. There is no whistle in them. I had to indure the horrible voice of Patti Labelle for nothing. The highest I've heard from her was a Eb6 live. And that I credit her with but its still not high enough to be in whistle. As far as Julie Andrews, people have told me she used to hit F6 in her early days but I dont think shes ever recorded anything. But the note she hit in Victor/Victoria was an A5. It should have been an E6 or something though. Myke 19:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Well whistle is basically head only more air in the higher octaves. Superhead i think is an extention of head as well that uses different muscles as does whistle. snail2

Head is head no matter how high it is. Which is why I do not like the term Superhead. Whistle is a completely different vocal register. It is more airy but some can control it to where it is stronger and less airy. But this is displayed mostly by Mariah, Minnie, Betty Wright, Georgia Brown, Tireh, Nina Girado, Chante Moore, and Sebastian Vilas. Head voice to where it has the fluety or whistle-like tone is displayed by Shanice, Debelah Morgan, Yma Sumac, Christina Aguilera, Shoshana Bean, Tisha Campbell, Terry Ellis, Rachelle Ferrell, Lisa Fischer, Rachelle Ann Go, Lani Misalucha, Jessica Simpson, Angela Via and most other known whistle register singers. But singers like Kelly Clarkson, and Vivian Green's notes can be questionable. Myke 02:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inconveniecne!!!

It amazes me how someone could without a moment notice think to him/herself to just erase away the hard work of many contributors to this category. Personally, I think such a move is unprofessional and irresponsible from someone representing an encyclopedia. Couldn't that person, in order to avoid inconveniece, put up a notice of requirements - stating that without proper referencing - names added will be taken off, so as to give contributors time to source these references. Wouldn't this be less time consuming? To be truthful I just came up on the term 'Whistle Register' a few months ago. All I know is that as child the first time I heard Mariah carey's 'All in your mind' from her first album and that note she hits was a note I have never heard from other singers emerging in the 90's, then came Lisa Fischer with 'How can I ease the pain' and Shanice with 'Lovin' you', the rare and sweet sounds these singers made quickly in my mind separate them from the Chaka Khan, Anita Baker and Gloria Estefan and others that I was listening to at that time. If as a casual listener I could recognise and identify that these singers vocals contain something the others did not have, then what about those persons who are more musically inclined. On stumbling on this site few months ago and being enthused by the 'Whistling ability' I have been making many visits to this site to read up on the artistes said to have such ability in order to get their CDs. From doing so I have seen where Myke, Antare (and others) have shown themselves to be to an extent knowledgeable in this area and have approach the addition and deletion of entries to this list in a professional manner by giving justifiable reasons for their actions. It is on such basis I am really taken aback that such a disrespectful move could be made. Especially, when the appeal of this encyclopedia is that anyone can edit/contribute to it. In addition, many of the singers whose names have been taken off are done so ridiculously as these singers have done several songs on which they have used their whistling ability. In case of Shanice, on her sophomore album she uses this ability quite evidently, that AMG in their review of her album pointed to her ability by stating, Shanice sure has an impressive voice, including the ability to sing falsetto a la Mariah Carey and Minnie Riperton. Am I to believe then that only a certain set of people's notation is to be taken as fact, while others are disregarded? Am I to believe that one has to be famous in a particular area for his words to be considered facts. Before the world was proven to be 'round' it was recorded as 'flat' by persons famous in their time, however that did not make the world flat. So why now these contributors who offer up a particular singer to be possessing the whistle register should be disregarded because their names are not link to any famous record company or media houses. This I believe only serves to inconveniece others and kill the spirit of participation. August 12, 2006 8:39PM ke'ke

Congratulations, ke'ke, for walking in on a debate just as people start to try and rectify the situation. You hence then should have noted that wikipedia requires all conjecture to be verifiable, and any that is not is likely original research, which is not allowed. You may also wish to read WP:NOT before continuing, then re-read the entire discussion here, rather than returning to a stage we have hopefully left behind in an attempt to fix the situation. LinaMishima 01:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

From what I have read I came to realise that you are one of the biggest proponents of this wasteful move taken. I apologise for thinking that Wikipedia to some extent operates like a real encyclopedia whereby there are selected persons with expertise whether in the Arts, Science or General Knowledge, that are there to call up on in the event that information are needed to be verified/authenticated. What is the sense of donating financially to an organisation that do not have such a resource facility in place. I however, do hope that common sense will prevail and many of the artistes taken off will be quickly readded, because in my opinion this list is misleading in that when a new-comer comes up on this page and do not see names of singers they have heard using this ability will suggest to them that this page is outdated; unless they have the time to read all that have been discussed already. Therefore, I bid you 'verifiers' God's speed. ke'ke 11:47am, 14 August 2006

On the orginal research thing i think that wiki should concentrate on the living people section next and clear out every person who hasnt published their bith cetificate. snail2

[edit] Angela Via

I added information about her whistle register to her article. Just song titles. I don't have the note information, but I don't think it's necessary for that place in the article. I noticed someone re-added her to this category, so I wanted to justify it for them so it didn't get deleted again. Grxkn 19:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be me lol. I also added everyone else that has sung a whistle note in a song that I've heard. I'm pretty sure that somewhere someone will find a review for each singer stating their use of the whistle register but i really cant be bothered to find them at the moment. It's rediculous that wiki can't open their eyes to new information. Isn't that the idea of an encyclopedia. snail2

You have already been warned for this, and the edits are in the process of being removed. Verifiablity is not optional, and we cannot publish original research. Come back with references, and you can add those and the cat as you see fit. Please do not continue.LinaMishima 20:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Angela has hit a Bb6 in "A Good Time" and a C7 in "Picture Perfect"

Good for her, but the whistle register is not defined by note reached alone. This has been said countless times. LinaMishima 14:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christina Aguilera

I found an article stating she uses the whistle register and pitches over E6 therefore i have included this in her references and re-added her. snail2

Thank you for trying, however, checking the history, I could not locate any new references, so I have removed the catagory addition again. You are welcome to add it again with the reference, or post the reference here, and I'll even try to work it into the article. Was kind of miffed that I couldn't find the reference, I was looking forward to at least one singer being confirmed! LinaMishima 11:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I give up. I added a reference to the reference section on her page so either someones deleted it or youve just deleted the article from this category for no reason.

Just to add another reference for her page, On the new Mtv documentary on x-tina called "all eyes on Christina Aguilera" MTV states that she has a 4 octave range. I know there have been disputes on this in the past, but now there is a reliable source. Repeats are on now for those who would like to confirm my findings. I am not sure how to source a tv show so maybe someone can help me, and add it to the page for me.

I have to admit I also could not find any new references. Maybe u should add it to the referencing project section, so it can be read and evaluated by all. I know I'd love to see it, and have her re-added to the category.

CHRISTINA AGUILERA has reached whistle register: during her live version of What A Girl Wants (from the Stripped tour) Pero Me Acuerdo De Tí Soar Car Wash Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas

WE ALL KNOW!! You have site a reference or they'll remove the page and the info won't be considered valid! Use the one I have listed in the "new reference" category below. This should help.

People like Kelly Clarkson, who has only used whistle register once in her life, can be on the list but people like my girl Christina Aguilera isn't? That's crap! Is has used whistle register SO many times and she has GREAT control over it. If you'd like to see all of her high notes over the time, go to youtube.com and type in Christina Aguilera High Notes.24.162.74.108 22:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)Blueandgold200

I have added a new source to her page and re-added her to the category. The source is under "external links" at the very bottom. Hope this is enough keep her there, I have to agree with the statement above, she has sung E6 or higher more often than many other singers currently, or previously listed on this page.

[edit] Debelah Morgan New Info

In the reference project above I have added a new source for whistle status for her to be checked out. I dont think anyone has looked into it yet. I spent 2hrs the other day trying to find a decent source for her. It is a reivew from on online, "magazine" type site if you will.

[edit] New Reference tool for disputed singers!!

Hey everyone, I have just found a great site containing vocal profiles for dozens of singers including Christina Aguilera, Betty Wright, Regine Velasquez, Cindy Lauper, Nina Girado, Kyla, Lani M., Rachelle Ferrell, Rachelle ann go, Chante Moore, Lisa Fischer, Angela Via, Debelah Morgan, Vanessa Amorossi, Tamar Braxton, Beyonce, and Jessica Simpson...just to name a few.

• • http://greatestvoices.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-8_cy-2006_m-8_d-18_y-2006_o-6.html

If you want to save your faveorite singer's page, check this out!

Yes, but I don't think that website really counts as an authoritative source... Highconclave 12:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Still, it's an outside source, and not our own original research, which is the major issue in this cat. As long as we haven't done the profiles ourselves it should be allowed as long as it used as one of MANY resources...not just a PRIMARY source.

Why is it that Christina Aguilera has been taken out of the list when only singers who only used it one time like Kelly Clarkson, Kyla and Jojo are in the list? Christina Aguilera sang high notes quite frequently. This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-XU1WzrkQ is just a one minute compilation of her super high notes that was posted in youtube.

Every high note is *not* in the whistle register, however.

This compliation proves Aguilera is not a whistle register singer as she does the same note over and over again, and in super head voice. Whistle registers are much higher than her notes in this compliation.

What's wrong with singing same note over and over again? As long as she can sing it and when she sang it the notes were getting higher and higher. Are you honestly saying that those are being sang in super head voice? I don't think so.

To put it simply - if there is any doubt, arguement, or need for discussion; if you have to decide something yourself to make a decision (as opposed to observing a fact), it is original research and not suitable proof. It doesn't matter what any other editors says about the sample, the sample alone only shows that certain notes are reached (and it is the performances that are the references, not the sample). The definition of Whistle register implies that notes alone are not a suitable measure for determining the use of the whistle register. LinaMishima 05:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The category itself is very vague. As written it can be assumed that ANY note at or above E6 is a whistle note. There has been no critiera established thus far to determine a whistle note from a head note. Look at Minnie and Rachelle Ferrell. They can hit whistle notes that are very strong and flutey sounding rather then light and airy as I have heard many people on this cat swear up and down is the TRUE sound of a whistle note. I think really only the person doing the note can tell for sure, because they can FEEL the difference between the two, whereas onlookers can only guess. I say this from experience because of my own voice. People don't think I can do whistle's because they are so strong, that rarely sound airy. They think it's superhead, but since I'm producing the note, I can feel the way my larynx is vibrating, to know where I stand vocally speaking. So I guess the debate stands as to how can whistle voice really be determined without using the just sound of a note as the only verifiable means. 207.62.237.108 20:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)AquaMaree

One good way to tell is that Rachelle Ferrell doesn't have very good control of her whistle register and it is so strong that signifies superhead. Where as Minnie mostly uses whistle but has been known to use both. Being a whistle register singer with an airy light whistle and a very loud and strong head voice, i can usually tell the difference but some artists are tricky. 67.181.94.201 04:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

All of Rachelle's notes that I have heard have been 7th octave notes, and I don't believe head voice is capable of reaching those notes past B6 but I could be wrong, there may be a few like minnie who can reach that far, but none the less, I still think the airy sound of a high note is not a fool proof way to determine whether it is a whistle note. My head voice is 3x more light and airy than my whistle whistle voice most of the time, but thats just me. I imagine it's differnt for everyone using this register. 207.200.116.71 02:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)AquaMaree

It's more common for whistle to be airy. But I'd have to listen to you to tell the difference. Also Head voice sounds alot stronger and thicker than whistle. Whistle has a thinner and less strong sound. Head can reach the seventh octave. I have heard girls in my school choir reach the seventh octave in head and also opera coloraturas like beverly sills and mado robin have reached the seventh octave in head since whistle is not considered necessary since head has a better tone and isnt as restricted to certain abilities as whistle is. as far as minnie, she has displayed whistle more than head voice. but her tone is tricky. as for rachelle, her tone is obviously head voice. recordings may not be very distinctive but live performances are. her tone is anything but whistle-like. 67.181.94.201 01:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Compromise?

Since the category itself is quite vague, and the opening statement of the whistle register singer's page refers only a singers ability to sing E6 or above,it dawned on me...Why not have a page deticated entirely the the soprano high C? So this way the whistle register singer's page contains only those RENOUND in their abilities, and yet we can still have a page deticated to all those who can sing in the high C regardless how how they arrived at the note (whether it be whistle, head or falsetto). I think many people are interested more in a singers range and ablities to sing those impressive high notes rather than what register they use to get there (except for wikipedieans..were special! he he!)To verify notes we could simply use sheet music and/or consult a proffesional music teacher (perhaps if anyone knows one), to come on this page and devulge thier knowlege and expertise in this area. This way everything stay both encyclepedic and current. AquaMaree 20:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)AquaMaree

Not a bad idea, actually. The current whistle register catagory description is at odds with the whistle register article, unfortunately, and the article is being taken as the basis for determining what can and cannot qualify. However I see absolutely no reason not to make additional catagories as you describe :) LinaMishima 16:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

So does anyone know how to go about doing this(making a separate category) and establishing an expanded article with criteria for entry? Since original research is a huge problem, we need a profesional to assist us in our research being that articles and reviews aren't going to name what note, what artist hits in what song. What could be done by us however is:

• Find sheet music in the orginal performance key, and cite the highest note as written.
• For all other notes and or disputes abouts a certain note, the expert could come in and settle them.
• Also because it mentions in the whistle register singer category itself that notes at or above e6 are required, all whistle singers on the list would automatically qualify.
• Also any female singers with cited 4 or 5 octave ranges would authomatically qualify, as they would have to be singing in the high C at some point, (unless they are natural basses which is highly unlikely).

If anyone wants to help make this dream a reality please comment on this page and help!!! You can have ur cake and eat it too!AquaMaree 18:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)AquaMaree

[edit] ashanti's whistle note

in the begining of this clip i know she hits whistle register http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPMHYKKCStU and u cant nock the note cause she does it with ease

Unfortunately we cannot use any editor's own listening as a reference. This has been stated repeatedly in all the above. Simply reaching a note is not enough, either, as has been discussed - we're not 'knocking' anything other than original research, which is against policy LinaMishima 16:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

how could u find out if no one has made any research i mean from that note you can't tell what it is? wowDanotorious1jd 22:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Not everybody is able to identify the note being reached. Personally, I believe that although it requires some analysis, it is a trivia;; matter, and so stating notes should be allowed (but not comparison, or anything additionally that would not be trivial). However it again fails to help in this case, as it is quite, quite clear from whistle register that it is a tonal quality, not a note, and hence open to debate. Hence for such a thing we require that another person has bben published as stating that the whistle register was used, we cannot find this out ourselves and add it using our own observations and analysis. Please see WP:VERIFY and WP:NOR for more information. LinaMishima 20:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shanice's re-addition

After my research and update of Shanice's page I have seen it fit to re-ad Shanice back to the Whistle register list. If anyone has concern about her presence here, then that someone needs to present evidence to counter/dispute the evidence that I have compiled and edited on her page under 'Voice'. For a fact I think this is absolutely ridiculous, but since this is warranted I guess I have to play by the rules... 10:57am 9/04/06 [Kudeh]

Wonderful, well done! All that has been asked for is exactly what you have done! :) LinaMishima 16:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lisa ficher/christina aguilera re-additons

a new resource has been added to each of thier "voice" sections that directly states that they uses this register.

Christina had already been sourced for this. The only source for Lisa, however, appears to be last.fm, which, if I'm not mistaken, is publically editable and not verified in any form - which would make this a bad reference. Please remember that reaching a note does not qualify. LinaMishima 04:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] debelah morgan voice

new sources have been added to her "voice section" check it out.

• to whomever keeps deleting her infomation it should be noted that hiponline.com is a legitimate online magazine. If it were not, then they would have no access to the artist in question which they do. The quotations on her page are directly from HER mouth, and the interview from whence they came, (this being the same site) has a direct link to it in her vocal section. Please check out the info in question before you delete it and call it "unsourced rubbish". If u think the artist's actual words is "rubbish" then u need to seriously reconsider what it is that makes a source credible to begin with.

[edit] Amel Larrieux re-addition

new, reliable source added to "solo career" section

[edit] chante moore re-addition

new source added to "Career" section. It should also be noted that websites like Barnes and Noble often hire someone to proffesionally review an album, as well as allow personal recomentdations from customers.

[edit] Head And Whistle

Head register is considered whistle register because at E6 the feeling you get when singing that high changes, the sound changes. Falsetto can also get this high as displayed by Philip Bailey in Devotion from the album Gratitude and a live performance of Reasons where he hits F6 twice. Now most people call this Superhead. People can often confuse superhead with Whistle register which is the register which is MAINLY used by Mariah, Minnie, Chante, Adam, Georgia, and some other singers although they are also said to be capable of reaching it in head. Mariah I havent heard. Her highest I've heard is C6 in You Need Me. And Minnie is said to sometimes hit F6 in Lovin' You. And Adam is said to be able to sing in Superhead. Now singers like Christina(although she is said to sing in falsetto), Debelah, Shanice, opera singers(whistle is forbidden in opera since it has less of an operatic tone and not as much resonance), and most other singers. Now there is some dispute on singers like Kelly Clarkson who in my opinion uses whistle since when she displayed it, it sounded quite weak and airy. However, as you can see, it was louder than her chest voice which isn't very common that low in a range. Whistle is usually alittle quieter than chest and head is usually louder when belted. But Mariah has displayed her whistle to be quite loud live in her upper range. But besides that it is pretty easy to tell the difference between registers. Like JoJo obviously sings in head since you can hear the clarity and head qualities when singing lower and you can hear the similarity in tone when she hits E6 in Too Little Too Late. Shanice also displays her accending from regular head tones in the 5th octave up to the 6th octave. Rachelle Ferrell also uses superhead. Her notes have great resonance and are very powerful and uneasily held which is another sign of head voice. Pitches are harder to hit when singing directly into superhead while when sing whistle, if the pitch is easier to hold. since your muscles are tighter and more focused. 206.171.160.101 20:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The A6 that Mariah hit in Fly Like A Bird was in head. Also head cannot be considered whistle above E6 because its a completely different register. Its like saying all females older than 21 can be considered males....errr...no. Also JoJo's high note in Too Little Too Late is D6 not E6, and thats in head not superhead. Adam Lopez sings in head, and also Phil Bailey's F6 is in falsetto. Kelly uses head; and you can tell this because there was no air there. I'd also like to add that it doesn't actually matter what register a singer sings a pitch at ot above E6 in FOR THIS CATEGORY. It's not in the criteria. The criteria just says pitches above E6, not pitches above E6 AND in whistle, so I honestly don't know why everyone is throwing such a wobbly over it. Snail2

I said Philip uses falsetto. Adam uses whistle and head. Head can only get to about F7 at the very highest. Whistle is whistle no matter what. But I'm just saying at E6 it doesnt matter head can be considered part of this category. Kelly does use head. After watching the video over and over it is head but it is airy. And you might need to check your pitches cause JoJo hits E6 in Too Little Too Late. And I'll still look into that A6 in head. I'm not so sure. And if a singer hits a D6 in whistle it should be able to be in this category as well. 67.181.94.201 05:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rachelle ferrell

New source- An EDITORIAL, not customer review of her debut album from amazon.com, has been added to her page. I will try to find more sources as I write this, to double verify her status on this list. 207.200.116.71 20:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)AquaMaree

[edit] angela via re-additon

new source, from hiponline.com added to her page. I've said this before, but it bears repeating...Hiponline, is legit, and if anyone has quams about this site, check out thier section of in-house inteviews which contains many interviews with muiltiple artists, directly conducted by the site, not an outside source. Both Angela Via, and Debelah Morgan have one available for reading.

[edit] JoJo High Road Whistle

I was listening to Jojos new album "The High Road", which by the way is amazing, and I heard a song coincidently enough called "High Road". With about a minute left of the song she hits a really high note and I was just wondering what it is, if it's in whistle and if its higher than the E6/D6 she hits in "Too Little Too Late"? Thank You --Tellmegud 16:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

In Too Little Too Late she hits E6 while in The High Road she gets up to Eb6 so its lower but still impressive. 67.181.94.201 05:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] jojo new source

review from 10/27/06 issue of Entertainment weekly added to vocal ability section.

I think that Lauryn Hill should be added to the list of whistle register singer because at the end of "To Zion," track 04 on "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, she clearly utilizes the ability for her to sing in the whistle register.

That wasnt her though. It was a backup singer. And besides, Lauryn has never displayed that ability live. 67.181.94.201 19:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

True, it was sabrina johnson/johnstone, something like that.

[edit] IMDB Sources

Although IMDB does have sources for singers who can sing in the whistle register, it falsely claims that Blu Cantrell sings in the 7th octave in Wate My Time when the highest note is Bb6. Which is in the whistle register but not the 7th octave. 67.181.94.201 08:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer the above person to not only make disputing claims about a particular source, but also to present substantial evidence to confirm that the source's statement is false. Remember each of the singer listed here is by presentation of various sources. If IMDB is making 'refutable' false claims about a singer's ability then that would only make their information unacceptable by Wikipedia's standard and would make it necessary to have accompanying sources with IMDB to make it factual/acceptable. KE'KE 9: 13, Oct 24, 2006

I added a new source to Blu's page stating that she has a 5 octave range. The source is an interview in which she states this fact herself. This is purely to expand her voice section, not to qualify her for this category.

Well that source would qualify her for this category since its almost impossible for a female who has a 5 octave range to not sing in the whistle register unless shes a very low bass. Even if her lowest note is as low as C2, it would still mean that her highest note would have to be C7. Which I believe her range is about F2-F7. IMDB is not a source for music. I'm pretty sure they do not have someone who knows about whistle register or vocal range. She probably does sing in the 7th octave but not on that track. Bb6 incase you didnt know is not in the 7th octave. C7 is but she does not produce that pitch in the song. Myke 23:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deniece Williams

I have provided new information that render Deniece's readdition to the whistle register list. Kudeh 10/28/06 2:57

[edit] jojo edits

Okay, it would appear that someone keeps deleting SOURCED information from her vocal ability section. Not all sources have to be via-internet. Magazines, television, books and other such appropriate sources are acceptable if properly referenced, in which case this one was. The name, date and year of the issue of the magazine were given so that any person could easily find the magazine and check for the infomation presented. Therefore, it should not have been deleted, I hope it will be left alone, as it is legitimate and current.

Hm, after reading the vocal section on JoJo's page...does the magazine specifically mention the whistle register at all? Because "Mariah Carey-style upper register flourishes" doesn't necessarily mean whistle register. Highconclave 00:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well if this source is unacceptable,then every source in this entire cat should be, because virtually none of the soureces mention the whistle register either. If you consider the fact that most people have little or no classical musical training, the reviewers try to mention this ability in a way that can be eaisly understood thus, by referencing someone who is renound for this ability.

While doing research to have artistes who I know possess the ability to hit Minnie/Mariah/Shanice high notes, I came to realise that the term 'whistle register' is fairly new and is not even accepted by some voice trainers. In fact if you read any information about Minnie in her days you will never once see the word whistle when describing her high notes. You will have better luck seeing the word 'Falsetto', which I believe is somewhat restricted to male singers/vocalist. However, in many instances music critics used it in reference to female singers' high notes, especially in the case of Deniece Williams. Therefore, it is ridiculous to expect researchers to find article with the term whistle register, when this term I believe was coined by Wikipedians. Kudeh November 2, 2006 10:33

Yeah not many people know the term whistle register but most people know what 'Mariah/Minnie High Notes' are. And yeah Falsetto is often used as a term for high notes since it is what alot of singers use to sing high notes but singes like Mariah use falsetto in her middle range and head above that and whistle above that with chest being on the bottom. Like Me, my falsetto is alittle higher than my chest range and my head voice is mainly the 5th and lower 6th octaves. But Minnie and Mariah are known for their high notes which are usually whistles. Myke 02:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I was not speaking to the technicality of falsetto nor am I advocating the replacement of whistle register with falsetto (in fact I do fancy the term whistle), all I am pointing to is the mindset of some editors on wikipedia who thinks that in all cases the term whistle must be mentioned, when the truth of the matter is that 'whistle regiser' is a fairly new term. Yes we all know (for those of us who listen to music) Minnie and Mariah's high notes, so we must also note that both ladies notes are also different. I have all of Mariahs albums and two of Minnie's compilations and I must admit Minnie's tone is much stronger while Mariah is more airy. Thus, the need to acknowledge that Debelah, Rachelle and Shanice's high notes also sound different. That in no way makes them less worthy. Before the Big Bang on this list where all the names were scrapped except for Minnie and say two others, there were a lot of names and supporting arguments above. Hence the need for us not to eliminate sound judgement with the aid of plausibe references however limited they are in using 'desired' terminologies. Kudeh Nov. 4, 2006 11:41

I do worry if perhaps whistle register is a neoligism. A new word without dictionary citation. I believe whistle register refers to the higher range in women with the falsetto voice. Women actually by nature can only hit falsetto in that E6+ range anyway, anything lower is the head voice. I believe middle voice is something else altogether. Women are different from men and we must respect this in our searches otherwise we are committing sexism--I'll bring the food 21:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I belive when it comes to this category, whistle register is basically high pitches produced by the human voice that have a similar sound to a whistle, bird chirp, or flute/piccalo. For head and falsetto this is usually E6 and aobe but can be alittle lower or higher starting point but E6 is a common starting point. And then theres the whistle register that is used by Mariah, Minnie, Georgia, Adam, Betty Wright, Chante, and other artist which is an intirely different product of the vocal chords. Both are acceptable for this category since there is no name that defines just one. Myke 00:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kristin Chenoweth

She sung Glitter and Be Gay which is one of the most fiendishly diffcult aria's for Colatura's to learn. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1YUoAkPbog Shouldn't we add her to the category?

No. you need a reference to an article saying she is capable of whistle or mariah like falsettos etc.--I'll bring the food 21:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] confusion on articles

Whistle register is the female version of falsetto. Women cannot sing in falsetto and make any other noise than what is referred to as the flute, whistle or flageolet register. Women do not use falsetto in a way that can sound lyrical. Any such wordyness in a high register is head voice. Head voice is the register above the chest and the middle voice in women. In men falsetto can be sounded at a lower, less flutey tessitura, this is because men's cords are longer. Men also have a head voice, and their range is Chest, mix, head. Falsetto is more accessible by men than women due to cord sizes. --I'll bring the food 16:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ENRIQUE IGLESIAS!!!

I heard a song by Enrique in which he uses the whistle register. he should be added to the list.

(source) Escape, by Enrique Eglesias. Used on- 2:40-42 and 2:47-49

gulfrazthehunk 2nd December 2006 20;59

I have listened to that song repeatedly and I am not satisfied that Enrique uses the whisle register...To be on the safe side ~I would suggest that you listen to some of the singers listed here, to help in determining the sound of the whistle note. In addition if Enrique has the ability an independent reference has to be given as source and not the actual song. Kudeh 23:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I on the other hand am satisfied. I belive he uses head or falsetto register but he does reach F#6 in the song. I don't doubt his abilities although I do not like his music very much. Myke 08:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

...am satisfied. I believe he uses head or falsetto... Myke, this clearly points to why I do not think Enrique deserves listing under whistle register, because what is put as source is very inaudible or done in a split of a second you can hardly hear it. Additionally, I do not think everyone who got lucky once is to be considered here. Thankfully independent references are needed; even though I am affected negatively by this policy as there are singers like Jean Carne and Lisa Fischer who well deserve listing but so far no reference found yet. Kudeh 18:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not that hard to hear if you know what to look for. And yes there are many other singers who deserve recognition for their talents but it sounds clear enough to me. Myke 17:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No need to be rude in your responses, I simply say what I believe to be so to my estimation. Furthermore if you yourself was sure as to the note ENRIQUE uses in that song you would be able to write authoritatively, and not in supposition as I had pointed to from your earlier response. In any event it is not up to us as editors to determine who has the ability, but rather independent references. Personally I would prefer to see only singers whose note is clear and not those who use theirs as a backdrop in the music - Minnie, Mariah, Shanice and Adam have set a standard those who follow are to do so convincingly. Kudeh 18:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I didnt mean to be ruse I'm just saying I know how to notice whistles in songs since I'm constantly listening for them. I know he reaches 2 F#6's in either chest or false. IMO it sounds like false but then again I'm only good at telling apart whistle voice from the others. Myke 01:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for sparking this "argument" guys. Im so sorry! I kinda understand what both of you mean. i suppose he shouldn't be on the list. Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. gulfrazthehunk 21:12 6th december 2006

[edit] Editing other people's comments other than to remove personal attacks:

An IP address has just rewritten several hundred comments of which I have just reverted. Please note this is massive vandalism and as such should be reported to administrators. Only in removing foul personal attacks are in anyway legitimate edits to other people's comments. They also deleted a comment i made here. Completely unnacceptable.--I'll bring the food 02:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I highly agree. I spent almost two hrs on my friend's computer trying to reverse what ever that person had done. They erased nearly 1 year's worth of vaulable conversation. My comments also included. AquaMaree

[edit] PLEASE! MYKE! or someone else...

I am dying inside! Lisa Fischer HAS to get a spot on that board! The 'f' is waiting for her! She uses whistle register regularly. i love her sng, "how can i ease the pain" and (the same song) she sings live as well with some higher notes. Do i need shooting? gulfrazthehunk 21:07 6th December 2006 just eating some yoghurt.

I'll see if I can find an article on How Can I Ease The Pain somewhere cause thats the only song I know of hers that actually goes past Eb6. Myke 02:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I have restored at least 6 people on this page and through hrs of countless research, I still have not found 1 single article that mentions her abilities to use this register. I want desperately for her to have her rightful place on this cat, but I doubt anyone will be able to find anything via internet. Since you seem to wanna know other songs she uses this register in I will list them for you:

• So Intense
• Back to Love
• Chain of Broken Hearts

I hope it helps a little....AquaMaree