Talk:Wayne Gretzky/Greatest or One Of the Greatest 1
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Mario Lemieux
I take exception with the notion that Gretzky is the "greatest player of all time". Simply not true. While no one can deny his playmaking and scoring ability, Mario Lemuiex is far and away better. Gretzky is simply too one demensional to be considered the greatest. Bobby Orr or Gordie Howe were the two greatest of all time, because they were complete players. I'd go so far as to say that Gretky doesn't even make the Top 5 all time. Just my two bits. vudu 19:12, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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- Exactly, and in order to remain NPOV and include views such as yours, we did not say "Gretzky is the greatest player of all time" but "Gretzky is considered by most to be the best hockey player of all time". You can't deny that this is a fact, and that's the idea here: facts.
- Basil Fawlty 23:56, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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- While I didn't make the change, I think a better NPOV would have been: "Gretzky is considered one of the greatest players of all time". While the fact is that most do consider him to be the greatest, it is also a fact that most of those people never had the honor of watching Howe or Orr, simply because they are recent converts to the game. Sadly, Gretzky's reputation preceded him when it comes to most fans, they were told by others that they were watching the greatest and therefore believed it. When the chips are down in a big game, he wouldn't even make my line up (too much of a defensive liability). Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. =-) vudu 00:32, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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I'm interested in the caveat that's been added about the first quote ("Don't go where the puck is; go where the puck is going"), attributed to Walter Gretzky, i.e., "the elder Gretzky has claimed he never said this". I have seen film of Walter Gretzky on ESPN Classic describing how he told his son this and demonstrated it to him. Maybe Walter has had more than one story through the years, but I'm curious to know when he denied being the source of the quote.
Rdikeman 00:56, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
- I've cited one source of the above mentioned quote.
- Rdikeman 14:19, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)
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- For anyone interested, I received an email response to my request above from User:Worc63 who said he has "neither the time nor the inclination" to document his source for the claim referred to above. He also asked me how to "cancel his membership" since he had "wasted enough time here already."
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- Rdikeman 13:31, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)
What exactly is the quote? "Don't go where the puck is; go where the puck is going" or Skate "to where the puck is going, not where it's been." ??? I heard it as the first, and that makes much more sense. Tense is important. Great quote, and along with his 100% of shots quote, very applicable to life.
- The quote has been repeated many times in many different forms. The version I included in the article is from the book, "Gretzky," as cited.
- Rdikeman 17:29, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
Vandalism and One Of
The user formerly known as Worc63, mentioned above, has apparently returned to "waste some more of his time" re-adding the same irrelevant and undermining digs to the article that he did under his username a few weeks ago. Now, however, he is doing it without logging in. I reverted the article today to the last version before his latest series of edits. In response to some questions and suggestions about his earlier edits, he started cursing at sysops, sending insulting emails to people who edited his work, and refusing to correspond rationally via any of the established methods. Does anyone else see this guy as a problem that needs to be dealt with? Maybe this is a small matter compared to other weightier topics, but it's been my only bad Wiki experience.
Rdikeman 17:43, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
