Talk:Utah Jazz

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For as long as I have been following the NBA, I don't think that I've ever heard the Houston Rockets and Utah Jazz coined as rivals. bob rulz July 2, 2005 03:11 (UTC)

Some may believe that my edit about Jordan's final shot in 1998 is overly POV, but it really is a fair and accurate assessment of feelings in Utah following that game, which still does live in infamy in the state. If it needs editing, I understand, but there was much controversy surrounding both the game and the final shot, and something about it should probably be kept. MahlerFan 04:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

No, this kind of stuff does not belong on Wikipedia. It does not matter if that's how the majority of Jazz fans felt (I was only 8 years old at the time, so I neither noticed nor cared if there were supposed to be fouls, just that the Jazz lost, so I have no opinion). It does not matter anyway. The game has been played. They're not going to go back, take back those supposed non-calls, and let the team play at it again. Referees can miss calls, they can make bad calls, and sure, they can be biased against superstars. Referees are neither all-seeing or all-knowing. There are thousands of games out there that a team would have won had an official seen this call, or not called this, or not chosen the superstar. It doesn't matter. This is not the kind of content that belongs on an encyclopedia. This is stuff best left for forums and chat rooms. bob rulz 06:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Complete rip-off from nba.com 1.1 Please Do Not Delete the History of the Team in New Orleans 2 SBS box 3 Minor notations

[edit] Complete rip-off from nba.com

I'm reverting the new changes made to the history section. This section is an exact duplicate of the official Utah Jazz website, which is under complete copyright. Even if it wasn't I would change it anyway, since I think the old version was better anyway. bob rulz 19:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Do Not Delete the History of the Team in New Orleans

What I have posted is accurate information of the history of the Jazz in New Orleans and is not breaking any copyright laws(you can't find this anywhere else because I wrote it myself). Removing this information is not telling the complete history of the franchise. Thanks.

The problem with each of these season descriptions, and the reason I removed them in the first place, is because they go into far too much detail compared to the rest of the article, making it disproportionate to the rest of the history section. I wouldn't mind going into more detail on their history in New Orleans, but detail to teh extent you're going makes it wildly disproportionate to the rest of the article. Not to mention writing a history on each separate season looks bad in the table of contents, especially when you have to redundantly explain that it's the New Orleans Jazz at this point. You are welcome to create a History of the Utah Jazz article (although I think you can only create articles if you've registered for an account now), and go into as much detail as you want (and I'd help, too). However, I am probably going to revert it back if I don't receive any response soon. I also wouldn't mind at all if you went into more detail on that section, just not as much detail as you have been going into. bob rulz 22:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with having this much detail about the franchise in New Orleans. This is an encyclopedia that is supposed to tell about the history of the franchise. Maybe the years in Utah should be expanded upon. Having just a few sentences explaining the tenure of the team in New Orleans is not acceptable and is why I wanted to inform everyone of exactly what happened with the Jazz in New Orleans. The information I provided is both interesting and educational. I bet you had never heard of the "free fries" chant hoping that the team could score more than 110 points so everyone in attendance could get free fries at Burger King. I see no reason why this information can't remain on this page. Thanks.

I'm not saying it couldn't. But in accordance with Wikipedia style, if we go into that much detail about every season, then we'd have to split it into a History of the Utah Jazz article, lest the article be enourmously large. On Wikipedia, the main page is supposed to be more summarizing. The more detailed descriptions should be split off into subpages. Also, while the "Free Fries!" chant is certainly interesting, I'm not really sure that it is relevant. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and that is bordering on irrelevant. I'll keep it in for now. I did some cleaning up and linking in the history section, but if we really want to go into that much detail for every season, we would have to split it up into a seperate article, because the main page is supposed to be a summary on the subject, with the very details going into a seperate article. I'm sure there's something about this somewhere on one of Wikipedia's pages, but I'm not exactly sure where and I don't have time to look. EDIT: Also, cite your sources. If you found this information somewhere, list it under external links (or as an external link next to the information), or list it as a reference in the reference section if it's not an Internet site. There's other, more official ways to do it, but those will suffice. bob rulz 23:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the "free fries" chant is very relevant because it showed that sometimes fans cared more about getting free fries than about the Jazz actually winning the game. Thanks.

Just chiming in here with my two cents. I think the history section including the New Orleans years is important, although the current revision seems a bit TOO extensive. To be fair, much of the Jazz's history happened in Utah, compared to the 5 seasons in the Big Easy. Personally, I think that the section should be condensed, but that's just me.Dknights411 02:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The entire history section of the Jazz in New Orleans was lifted VERBATIM (in violation of copyright laws) from the N.O. Jazz Tribute Page on the HornetsReport.com website (http://www.hornetsreport.com).

Whoever earlier wrote and posted,

"What I have posted is accurate information of the history of the Jazz in New Orleans and is not breaking any copyright laws (you can't find this anywhere else because I wrote it myself)"

is a flat-out, bald-faced liar. (I note that only a numerical ISP address is available for that person).

That content was originally posted on my personal website from 1999 to 2004, dealing specifically with the history of the New Orleans Jazz NBA franchise. I no longer posted the website after I changed my ISP, and my friends & associates at HornetsReport.com, noticing that it was missing from the web, asked to host and post the content. I agreed to this, and they acknowledge my creation of it on their website.

HornetsReport.com also has a very clear legal statement on their homepage: "No portion of this site may be reproduced without written permission of Coullion Enterprises LLC and HR.com."

I personally do not have any opposition to use of the history (in fact I am honored that it is in such use); however, I am peeved that the content was used and taken without my knowledge under violation of copyright law (no written permission from the HR.com website), and to add insult to injury, that someone else took credit for it. B-Rich 22:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

We've received a complaint about the copyright violation at OTRS. This kind of verbatim copying without permission is unacceptable. I've removed the sections that were copied from HornetsReport.com. Please feel free to summarize them in your own words (subject to the consensus of the other editors that the information belongs here at all). Also, the owners of HornetsReport.com may give permission for its reuse (with proper credit) but have not done so yet. B-Rich, thanks for bringing this up here. Copyright is very important to Wikipedia, and cut-and-paste articles are not welcome. FreplySpang 01:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know of this! The anon users refusal to cite his sources had me worried that it was a copyright, but I never really looked into it. Perhaps I'll rewrite it in my own words so that it's barely even recognizable (the info for most of the history section came from the history section on the official website, and as you can see, it bares little resemblance). If I ever find time, I'll probably get to work on that. If we get written permission, even better. bob rulz 04:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SBS box

I created the season-by-season box using information I looked up on NBA.com and Wikipedia itself. If I miscalculated the total number of wins or losses, or percentages or such, please by all means feel free to correct me on it. ekedolphin 09:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor notations

I updated some of the article yesterday, clarifying the citations where needed for some of the information, and edited to correct the accuracy of the 2006 offseason. Thestormofwar 13:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)