User talk:Unfinishedchaos
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[edit] Welcome!
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-- Sango123 17:19, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
P.S. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page. :)
There is a script to move pages to Arabic Wikisource. Please see Wikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium#moving pages to subdomains for details. Angela. 14:43, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
The easiest way to get the numbers changed is to file a request at bugzilla: so that a developer can do it. If you mention that these are already used on the Arabic Wikipedia, it should be fairly simple for someone to apply that to the other Arabic projects. Angela. 11:40, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
I suggest you try to talk to Elian about this since she has shell access and she is the one objecting at [1]. I don't have shell access, so I'm afraid I can't be of any help, and I also don't understand the objection made there. Angela. 20:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Date formats
Hi, thanks for the info on ar: date. The information i already have is here, but i am not sure if its correct. Please review. Thanks! --Yurik 22:44, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] GFDL translations
The sentences about the GFDL can be changed by editing one or more of these pages on the relevant wiki: MediaWiki:Copyright, MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning, MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning2, MediaWiki:Copyrightpage, and Project:Copyright. You'll need to be an admin to edit those, so if you're not, you can apply at meta:requests for permissions. Angela. 11:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] About comment on Angela's talk page
I replied to your comments about islamic calendar issue at Angela's page. Thanks for your interest on the topic.--Dbl2010talk 03:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Translations
Thanks for your translation! -- user:zanimum
[edit] Rock bands index a - t
Would you mind clumping that together into List of Rock Bands?, and wikifying it using [[TEXT HERE]]. Thanks. εγκυκλοπαίδεια*(talk) 17:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
For you outstanding work, I want to reward you this (the Exceptional Newcomer Award):
It must have taken a long time to get all that info, and I am thinking now that they can be separate articles, but need to be Wikified and put in a category. I'll help! εγκυκλοπαίδεια*(talk) 17:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Re:List of Rock bands
Hi Encyclopedist
I,m so happy that you find one of my first contributions here very good , actually i have joined wikipedia six monthes ago but i was busy in activating the Arabic Wikipedia and finishing the Setting up period , it should approach 10000 articles in this month , and i will happily contribute more in English Wikipedia . about the List it is ok to transfer it to the new titel and i will do my best in wikifying it . thanks for ur support and i,m happy to make conversation with old wikipedian like u ..keep in touch --Unfinishedchaos 18:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- You did very, very well on the List of Rock Band articles, and I was just worried that the list wasn't wikified. (you shouldn't have them in all caps, either :)). I tried to help, but I was confused and that was a lot of work! See you soon, I am glad that we were able to get in touch with one another. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 18:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] List of Rock Bands
I'm sorry to have to clamp down on you here, but we really do not need a List of Rock Bands in Wikipedia. That is what is for, and artificial pages such as this cannot do it better than the inbuilt category system. Thanks though for trying to improve Wikipedia, and I encourage you to expand on or create the individual articles of Rock Bands. Thanks, and Welcome to Wikipedia. Werdna648T/C\@ 01:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] I am sorry to see...
that your hard work was deleted, I still believe that you are an excellent editor, take care. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 05:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Blocking on ar
The problem might be that ar:MediaWiki:Ipboptions has been wrongly translated. See fr:MediaWiki:Ipboptions for an example of how it should be. The Arabic version contains line breaks. Please see if removing those fixes the problem. Angela. 11:30, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Re:Happy New Year
I just wanna wish happy new year for you , dear friend --Unfinishedchaos 16:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Uhmmmm...
Hi, answered you back. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 20:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re:Muslims' Viewpoint
To all those reading: comments may be offensive to some. Please don't say I didn't warn you.
Many Muslims felt offended after the puplication of Muhammad cartoons. This anger has been expressed as public protests in Arabic and Islamic countries. Muslims claim that this anger isn't directed against freedom of speech - as the western media represent the issue - but rather is against an insult to all Muslims, since the cartoons represent their Prophet as terrorist and criminal. According to Muslim opinion, the drawing of Prophet Muhammad is not acceptable (actually, pictures of all prophets including Jesus and Moses are forbidden in Islam). Additionally they object the way in which Prophet Muhammad has been represented as a terrorist, which means in their opinion that all Muslims are terrorists. For Muslims a message of Hate is sent by those cartoons, and they frankly express the modern Islamophobia spreading in the western world, as President Clinton said .
Many Muslims think that the Jyllands Posten should be punished by the Danish Government, and make comparisons to the charges that have been made against writers descriped as anti-semitic in Europe.
Most European and American media supports the newspaper and considers the issue to be one of Freedom of Speech, which is one of the most important traditions in the Western, secular world. For them Muhammad should dealt with as any other religious figure - even in satirical cartoons, just like Jesus and Buddha. They believe that Muslims have no right to enforce censorship of the media.
For some Muslims, the publication of these pictures is seen as racist. For Many muslims there is no problem with criticism of Islamic belief, rules or behaviour, and there is no prolem either with making fun of religious people, but presenting the prophet Muhammed - who is an ideal for all Muslims - as a terrorist, suggests that all Muslims are fundamentalists and extremeists. They believe that this is a message of hate and intolerance and therefore that goverments shouldn't accepted such behaviour from the media .
The section is always removed saying it not sourced pov section .. can u help me clarify where is the pov while the whole article support the Danish journal . All the Best --Unfinishedchaos 18:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- All I can say is that I understand the "Freedom of Speech." - well, no I don't. It is pure blasphemy. I also see NO difference in poking fun at Islam than discrimination towards Blacks, Jews and Gays, and even women. A lot of people are taking the matter lightly and saying "big deal!" but they do not take into consideration that such political menacing was one of the first steps to commence the Holocaust against the Jews. I feel it is a shame that in the modern world we are still provoked by petty differences, and feel that they are a reason to mock another religion. Another problem is that the majority of people only assert myths about Islam, but never bothered to pick up a Koran (like I did). I say before trying to destroy someone's belief, I think we should all learn more about them. This has taken a further step than the freedom of speech, this is pure blasphemy. I could only imagine the outrage if on the Passion of the Christ movie poster, someone added devil horns to Jesus...or, should I say, have a BLACK JESUS portrayed in the movie. Is it so strange that we live in such an ignorant world? And protest would probably targeted as terrorist plots.
- Question: What made you ask me in the first place? I want you to know that I do feel that the demeaning pictures are a form of blasphemy - and like I said, I don't see the difference between that and adding Devil horns to a Jesus image. I simply don't. I also see this as a DIRECT correllary to the "black face" minstrel shows were black people were featured eating watermelon with tire thick lips, oil black skin and knot like hair...and of course, the obese black woman so obedient and so happy in her subservient position. What the hell? Why do we do this, why can't we actually see the world in someone elses eye? But, I would rather not discuss this further, as I don't think Wikipedia is the place for this. E-mail me at djuanbracey@yahoo.com if you are more interested, but my political views are too left, and I'd hate to have the FBI bugging my computer :-) And by the way, I think Bush is a terrorist. Yes, I said it. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 20:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Hi Unfinished...it's better, but the problem is that there are still loads of passive verbs and unattributed comments that make the thing feel like an essay. Right at the beginning I read: "The Muslim reaction was misunderstood as being directed against freedom of speech, when it was about the insult felt by most Muslims." Misunderstood by who? Don't just say "western media", you need to give examples, you can't make sweeping statements like this in English Wikipedia. And you can't just assert that in fact the reaction was not against freedom of speech; these are millions of people having a reaction, you are not in a position to say what it "was about". If you were writing an editorial in a newspaper you could say this, but not in an encyclopedia which cannot offer original analysis. We are a secondary source. Even if you find a primary source that argues this, you can't say, "this is the reality, as so-and-so says. You have to say that "so-and-so argues that...". In general, passive verbs are a way of avoiding attribution and are a one-way ticket to unencyclopedic writing. Still, as I say, it's definitely better. Babajobu 21:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] رسالة من مبتدئ
مرحبا كاوس مبتدئ 01:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Muslim opinion
Hi, Unfinished, yes, the talk page gets tiresome sometimes! Ah well, what can one do. I made some edits to your section in the article, but I don't see the link you provided on my talkpage...where should I go? Babajobu 23:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
- No, on my talk page you said "Please have a look at this:", but there was no link to look at. Babajobu 23:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with the sentiment expressed in the talk page, because racist and antisemitic cartoons are perfectly legal in western countries, but I think the cartoon does a great job of expressing how many Muslims seem to feel about the issue. Yes, very good job in finding that cartoon! I think the section is really pretty good now, well done! Babajobu 00:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I totally agree with you. Whether I personally agree with the cartoon is totally irrelevant...what matters is that we accurately describe the sentiment that exists in the Muslim world, and the cartoon does a good job of that. So it absolutely belongs in the article, in fact it's an excellent addition! Babajobu 00:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with the sentiment expressed in the talk page, because racist and antisemitic cartoons are perfectly legal in western countries, but I think the cartoon does a great job of expressing how many Muslims seem to feel about the issue. Yes, very good job in finding that cartoon! I think the section is really pretty good now, well done! Babajobu 00:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Poll 3
Hi Chaos,
I just wanted to let you know about the Poll 3 in the cartoon page. Best. Resid Gulerdem 12:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] nice work :)
Hey Chaos :) Look what Babajobu wrote on my discussion page:
"Hi Rajab, though I disagree with you on a lot of issues, just want to say that you and Chaos have both done some very good work on the article. Thanks! Babajobu 21:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)" Rajab 11:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Western Sahara
Hi, here is a vote related to Western Sahara, it's about the neutrality of wikipedia in this conflict, are you interested? Daryou 18:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hate speech
Thank you for taking the time to talking to me about it, Chaos. I am glad that we both thing that there should not be any censorship on thought and ideas. This makes it easier to think and to talk. So you say the pictures are "Hate speech", eh? Does this mean that you think that showing the pictures would make people go out and kill muslims? DanielDemaret 15:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- No need to answer the above question if you dont want. Inciting to hate is enough to make something hate speech, so I was over-doing it there.
- There is one thing I would like to ask you that is more important to me. Flemming Rose intent was to attack people who issue death threats, not to attack muslims. This is obvious if you read the danish text. Striver has suggested that his intent does not matter. To me, and definitely to the law in Sweden and in Denmark about hate speech, it is the only thing that matters. What is your opinion on this?DanielDemaret 17:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Draw Jesus as satan? Go ahead, if you like. I am a christian, and if could draw I would draw it for you. None of the christians in my congration would be offended in the least. To them, insults can only offend if there is an intelligent person intently making a personal and degrading remark. Jesus as Satan is not personal. As for the "intelligent person intent", it would depend on why you drew it. Such a picture in itself would be quite meaningless, and not insulting to anyone (perhaps insulting to satan, if he is not a christian? ) DanielDemaret 18:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] We need you
Besides anything else I write, I want you to know that the article really needs insightful comments from people like you, since the rest of us are very ignorant of Muslims. I thought I understood something since I have many muslim friends, I had read an english translation of the Quran, some books about the history of muslim countries, read thru translations of the Hadith, but this event has shown me that I understand very little at all, and that those texts seem to have nothing important to say about Muslims. DanielDemaret 16:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] About what you wrote on my talk page
- Well written.DanielDemaret 18:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please regard all that I say as Questions
(This title above is a quote by Niels Bohr, btw).
Perhaps the core difference lies in expectations. I do not think you can insult me, since I have faith that even if you tried to insult me, you would only do it to prove something. I do not think I can insult you intentionally because I see no reason for doing so.
Flemming does not believe he was insulting muslims, since he did not intend to.
But perhaps Muslims see an insult there for others reasons. After all, as soon as it was pointed out to him that the cartoon could be interpreted in an offensive manner he should have apologized immediately and publicly, not 4 months later. The same goes for the Prime Minister, and he should invited the National Representatives to some marvellous danish cooking. Sometimes I think that it was this neglect, coupled with modern Danish Xenophobia (not Islamophobia) which developed into the real perceived insult to the muslims living in Denmark.
Another problem might lie in good faith. If Flemming could not belive that Muslims would be offended, and/or Muslims could not believe that Flemming could not have seen the disrespect to Mohammed, then there would a deadly stalemate which could escalate into mistrust and real lies over into violence. DanielDemaret 19:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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- The speculation above has only to do with the reaction of Muslims living in Denmark, not with the international reaction.DanielDemaret 19:41, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I happened to see that your user page listed Philosophy of modern physics, which is empty as a topic you were interested in. I think that you will probably find what you are looking for if you first look at Philosophy of physics, or perhaps in one of the links therein. DanielDemaret 12:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Preliminary Questions to your answer
I followed your clear argument, but I have a few questions.
- Question 1: Which question did your answer refer to?
- Question 2: Your argument seems to be against US imperialism. Danish papaers have made many cartoons with your arguments against the US. You are using Danish arguments here. You sound just like a Dane here. I do not see how your argument is in any way against Denmark. You seem very pro-Denmark here. Are you?
[edit] Clarification on Denmark
- Most Western European countries were and still are dead against the US invasion of Iraqi.
- Most Western European countries are dead against censorship that makes US papers and TV a laughing stock abroad.
- Denmark attacks censorship in US media
- Denmark attacks censorship in the arab world
- Denmark attacks censorship imposed on Denmark by criminal muslims (a death threat is a crime in Denmark)
- Denmark attacks the US if any US agency tries to impose censorship in Denmark.
The only difference between the way Denmark has treated the US and the way Denmark has treated the muslim world is that the US has failed to impose censorship in Denmark since the US has not used any criminal means like death threats to any Danish citizen.DanielDemaret 14:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Direct comments on your answer
Yes, I agree. And so would most here in Scandinavia. We do not want imperialism coming from anywhere, and we do not want it happening to anyone else. I was just a bit taken aback when you used Scandinavian arguments against imperialism. DanielDemaret 14:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Danish humour
"People hardly ever make use of the freedom they have. For example, the freedom of thought. Instead they demand freedom of speech as a compensation." Søren Kierkegaard DanielDemaret 17:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] You mentioned Science
You mentioned that you belive in science. One set of scientific studies that I find interesting are the ones dealing with Democratic peace theory. Are you familiar with it?DanielDemaret 21:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Since you mentioned Naom Chomski
Ol' Naom :) . I read a lot of his stuff in the 80's :)
* "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." ~ Noam Chomsky
DanielDemaret 15:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] On your questions
'Is all Christians like that ?? and have they always been like That : Thinking and Explaining ??' you asked.
On my talk page, I decided to ramble a bit for my own amusement as answers to your question and on democratic peace theory, which I should try to correct in wikipedia sometime. It is a lot easier to ramble than to correct mistakes :p DanielDemaret 10:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anarchist icon
I just happened to notice your anarchist icon :) There are many different kinds of anarchism, some peaceful, some violent. If the definitions where clearer, I might have such an icon. The peace-loving kind. Unfortunetaly, the anarchist with a bomb in his hand is the prevailing image connected to the symbol. DanielDemaret 11:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Translation request
Hello, I saw that you are a native speaker of Arabic, so I would like to ask you if you could take a look at 2003 invasion of Iraq and Iraq War. There is a featured article in Arabic which we would like to know how it could be used the English one which is of course dominated by people who have either been there as soldiers or have their knowledge from western media. Someone also asked if the section about "related propaganda and phrases" could be amplified with information about the Iraqi side. Maybe there are also people who took photos in Iraq at the Arabic version? Nameme 16:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Censorship
I am trying to make some improvements in the project Censorship. I thought you might want to know about it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 16:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- I am trying to write a new policy Wikipedia:Wikiethics. I am very busy but believe strongly on having some standards in Wiki. I would appreciate if you can review it and incoorporate new ideas you might want to add. Your contribution is greatly appreciated. I cannot finish it without help. Best. Resid Gulerdem 00:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiethics
Hi,
We started a proposal Wikipedia:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.
Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.
Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.
If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikipedia:Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...
Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 21:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Saad Al-Faghi
Hi, I recently created an entry in the German Wikipedia for Saad Al-Faghi. I noticed that there seems to be extensive information about him on the arabic Wikipedia. Unfortunately my arabic skills are about zero. Yet I would like to add any relevant information to the German article. I noticed you also have some German knowledge but English is fine, too (I might expand the English article as well). Any translation help would be greatly appreciated.
If it doesn't trouble you much, please respond on my Discussion Site on de.wikipedia (English is fine) as I barely monitor my English account currently. Thanks in advance. ★ blane ♪♫♪ 12:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] rfc page
Chaos, the following page involving those cartoons will be of interest to you. Please come and support is, the pro-cartoons crowd already have gotten together. Arno 05:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Portal approval
Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Portal approval process counter to Wikipedia's aims? Discussion opened. SilkTork 08:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Report
Im doing a report on Arabic Language Wikipedia and information on it is pretty scarce, i was wondering if you could provide any info, or sources. Thanks--Elatanatari 20:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Islamic Barnstar Award
Please offer your opinion, vote, or whatever about your choice for the image to be used with the Islamic Barnstar Award at the Barnstar proposals page. Although there is consensus for the concept of an Islamic Barnstar Award, some editors would like to change the image for the award. I was just thinking you should be aware of this discussion because you have contributed to Islamic-related articles, received the Islamic Barnstar Award, or have contributed to the Islam-related Wikiprojects, etc.--JuanMuslim 1m 16:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Userbox
Hey! I like your Palestinian state userbox and was wondering if you'd mind terribly if I used it for my own page? I'm presuming you made it yourself as I couldn't find it on any of the userbox lists. The Fraudulent Teabag 08:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hogeye's anarchism chart
It is up for deletion (as are most of his images, many of which have already been deleted) not because of any copyright problems, but because it is WP:OR. I wouldn't use that in the Arabic article. --AaronS 14:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
actually there is very good new feature in mediawiki right now allows us to blocking only anonymous users .. I wonder why you don,t use it ?? --Chaos 17:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- I've reblocked that address for anon only, so you should be ok now --pgk 18:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
