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Contents 1 Doom reversion 2 Places 3 Character Naming 4 Ultimate Marvel Universe Continuity 5 Ultimate Marvel Universe 6 Marvel Zombies 7 Marvel Ultimate Universe Guide 2 8 The fifth ongoing series? 9 Ultimate Adventures 10 Universe/reimagining 11 Reaction of fans and critics 12 New upcoming titles and minis 13 New "all in one" article for the Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra trilogy 14 Which article to link to? 15 Venom super-soldier? 16 Ultimate X-Men Character articles 17 Mage in to one article ? 18 F4 age

[edit] Doom reversion

I removed the edit about Doom's origin being linked to the Four's, since this page is about the imprint and universe as a whole, and that specific section is about the common plot threads that link the titles together. Since the edit about Doom is only related to UFF, it should go on the UFF page. It's an interesting fact, and maybe this wiki could use a section about the efforts in the Ultimate books to make things like this connected rather than giving everything an unrelated origin. Until then, though, it doesn't belong in the pre-existing structure. Pitr 07:28, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Places

Cut because I don't really think this stuff has any place in the article. If these places are important, they'll have their own articles. -leigh (φθόγγος) 19:16, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

--- It was in the article. This places are in the Marvel Universe (Universe 616), but not the same. Yes they'll have their own articles, but named it list of differences between the Universe 616 and Ultimate Marvel User:Brown Shoes22

They will certainly not have their own articles. Any references to differences between 616 and Ultimate Marvel should go to pre-existing articles and not for new ones. And considering the mess you've already made of Permanent Autonomous Zone, you shouldn't be allowed to go anywhere near it. Savage Land already has its own page, write the differences in there. Same for Daily Bugle and Baxter Building. The Triskelion can be referenced in The Ultimates and the Weapon X facility in Ultimate X-Men. --Pc13 10:17, 2005 May 20 (UTC)

[edit] Character Naming

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Ultimates' naming for a discussion on the naming of individual characters' articles in the Ultimate Marvel continuity. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:51, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Marvel Universe Continuity

Timeline ! What came first. FF, X-Men, Spider-man, The Ultimates.

Even though it's unimportant, for our information it was: Spider-Man 1st, then X-Men, then Ultimates, then the F4, with othe series slotted in between. And please sign your comments in future like --Jamdav86 18:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Hope no-one minds - I rearranged all the ongoings and miniseries into order of first publication (or thereabouts), plus made some minor revisions rst20xx 18:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Marvel Universe

Ultimate Marvel Universe as article. With a continuity timeline and backstory of the Universe !--Brown Shoes22 23:40, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

• No! Cease! Do Not Create! Unnecessary! --Jamdav86 16:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Unnecessary!? It is ! Timelines help !--Brown Shoes22 04:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Tell you what, then; you create it and the rest of us will speedy-delete it (If you think this judgement is harsh, Brown Shoes22 has a whole section on him @ Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics that should be read) --Jamdav86 09:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marvel Zombies

How is MZ part of the Ultimate series? I know Ult.Reed crossed over into that universe, but it bears far more resemblance to the 616 universe. Furthermore, Marvel has it under their "Marvel Horror" section, not their "Ultimate" section. --DrBat 17:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

True, but IMO it's worth a mention as it ties into the Ultimate Universe. Maybe something like:

• Marvel Zombies (whilst not strictly an Ultimate series, and not set in the Ultimate Universe but its' own Universe, this mini-series is a spin-off of an Ultimate Fantastic Four arc)

Anyone else wanna give their opinions? rst20xx 18:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be some mention of it, because it spawned from the Ultimate F4, and will be tying back into it. JQF 01:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Given that the current arc of Ult F4 involves the possible (thus far) breakout of the zombie versions of the F4, I think it at least deserves some mention. The one listed above, with a possible refrence to the current storyline (as it is now) would do. Darquis 04:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marvel Ultimate Universe Guide 2

I know that the 2st of the Ulimate Universe guides already came out some time ago (Spiderman/FF), but when did the Ult X-Men/Ultimates guide come out? I've been looking for it for ages! Taniwha 00:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

It's coming out in December. --DrBat 00:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The fifth ongoing series?

• One Speculation is a new X-men team ex. Ultimate New Mutants or spin-off like The Ultimate Reserves, a Ultimate Unlimed series --Brown Shoes22 09:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that is a popular forerunner (two other names I've heard for the group is Ultimate Academy of Tomorrow and Ultimate Helions). Also Daredevil, Hulk and Nick Fury, but nothing out of the ordinary. I myself hope it's Emma Frost's team getting an ongoing, that'd make a lot of sense IMO. But I also want a Daredevil ongoing at some point rst20xx 10:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

One more forerunner is a Ultimate What if..--Brown Shoes22 21:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I guess it's a possibility, but I don't think they would, at least as an ongoing. Many of the What If stories recently told in 616 could have just as well been told in 1610 - in fact I believe the newset bacth even got its own Universe number :p ... But ultimately we'll just have to wait and see rst20xx 12:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I more forerunner is a Ultimate Unlinted--Brown Shoes22 04:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The new series could also be for people who have already been been introduced, like:

• Doctor Strange, (possible)
• Punisher, (possible)
• Shang-Chi (Master of Kung Fu), (possible)
• Iron Fist, (possible, maybe team-up with Shang-Chi like they did in USpider-Man)
• Man-Thing, (unlikely, but it would be interesting)
• Hawk-Owl, (unlikely)
• She-Hulk (see Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk), (that would something worth checking out, but unlikly)

or for someone(s) who haven't been introduced yet (like Alpha Flight). Just felt I had to list all the possibilities. There is also the possibility that the Ultimate Blade Mini-series will lead to a full series, but I doubt it. Personally, I'd like to see Ultimate Cloak and Dagger, but that would probably either be a mini-series, or in USpider-Man. But a series for the Academy of Tomorrow is the most likly, as it would probably start off with Angel arriving and being shown around and the like. Ultimate Unlimited would be interesting though... JQF 02:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I would love to see an Ultimate Cloak and Dagger series. --205.146.140.242 20:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Adventures

On One adding info to this Article !?--Brown Shoes22 00:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

"Ultimate Adventures (was part of a poll where readers decided which of three miniseries became an ongoing, which it lost)" This is wrong, The poll was about which current ongoing should be saved despite low sales. The winner was Capain Marvel, This series was a cancelled ongoing.

I thought I remembered it being specifically created, more or less, to be a competitor with Captain Marvel in the poll contest to see which comic got continued.

[edit] Universe/reimagining

Some articles on characters and comics in the Ultimate Marvel continuity title the continuity as a separate universe (Earth-1610), while others call it a reimagining of the long running Marvel universe.

While both are technically correct, I would like to see some consistency in description of the Ultimate Marvel continuity. Perhaps both descriptions should be provided in each case. A template might even be a good idea. Would anyone like to contribute their thoughts on the matter? FrostyBytes 18:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I mean, in the fictional realities of the Marvel multiverse, it is a separate universe. Creatively speaking, in the real world, it is a reimagining of Earth-616. Both are accurate, it's just that one addresses the distinction in terms of fictional "reality" and the other addresses it in terms of real life reality. I think both descriptions can (and probably should, as you suggest) co-exist side by side. I'm not sure a template is necessary, but what kind of template were you thinking of? Pitr 21:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding any possible template: I'm thinking of something along the lines of "This comic/character/object is part of this-or-that comic/continuity/etc...." and so on and so forth. I might be suggesting something that goes outside some existing Wikipedia policy or another, official or unofficial, I'm not sure. I'm a bit new at all of this, so I hope you'll tolerate my eccentricities. I should probably read a bit more on general policies so that I don't accidentally go ahead and fix something that doesn't actually need fixing.

It just seems to me that a part of the initial blurbs in the articles about the various characters and comics in the larger continuities may be either a bit too repetative, or too inconsistent, not to have basic templates explaining and/or pointing to articles regarding some of the most vital facts about the creative direction of the continuities, and how they relate to others. --FrostyBytes 23:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't dispute that the Ultimate line is set in a 'seperate universe', but does anyone else get bugged that it has to exist within the same 'multiverse' with a load of other Earths? Its one of the things that bugs me most about comics... especially DC. Why can't they ever just say, "Within it's fictional reality, it is the *only* universe there is"... I mean, it's akin to saying that every work of fiction is just an 'alternate universe' in someone elses work of fiction, "Well, the reality in which James Bond is real is Earth-132, whereas the reality where Indiana Jones exists is Earth-442302"... it bugs me. Mainly because it inevitably leads into crossovers between universes and othersuch rubbish. Gah (195.92.168.175 23:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC))

I've looked through this handbook and where are you guys getting this Earth-1610 from? I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the book including the appendix.

Ok Ive done further checking and finally came across a single refrence to 1610 in a handbook, and nowhere does it says it is ultimate, Just that another Captain Britain named Brian Braddock lives on that world, Can anyone give any reasoning why that has to be Ultimate, if not the number should be deleted.

I'd also like to know where the number comes from, as it's not in Alternate Universes 2005, and I'm not aware of a later edition. Kelvingreen 00:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reaction of fans and critics

I am interested in the reaction of fans and critics to the Ulitimate Marvel books. Also this could be compared to earlier efforts such as Marvel's New Universe. ike9898 16:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Opinion: I think that the Ultimate Universe is not a good idea. I particulary don´t agree that it is "easier" for young readers to follow the new stories in Ultimate than in the normal continuity. In my opinion it is confusing because readers still read the main titles (after all, there lies the big crossovers like, for example, Civil War). It´s like a parallel retcon that does not makes much sense to me, and the "freedom" it gives is also the freedom to kill good continuity along the so-called bad things.

I think new writers should focus on developing or creating characters (creating ou evolving), instead of retconning, which the Ultimates line do today. I think writers should try to create something new and not "re-create" existing stories. They should have a lot of respect for the stories already written, and Ultimates does not do that - it simply says that everything can be changed, and that´s just a parallel universe trying to go against normal continuity.

The thing that really bothers me, though, is the argument for the line. I think young readers should have a chance to know the original stories of the characters, not new re-created ones that are - in Marvel´s opinion - more "modern" and "easy to follow". 201.22.141.176 20:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New upcoming titles and minis

I was wondering, could sombody provide links or such to where it stated that Ult Knights, Magneto, Thor and Daredevil was confirmed as upcoming series? (Whipsandchains 06:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] New "all in one" article for the Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra trilogy

Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra trilogy would be better as one article and not two or three articles !--Brown Shoes22 04:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Which article to link to?

IMO, if we're discussing the Ultimate versions of the characters like Green Goblin and Hobgoblin, we should link to the respective articles, rather than the original versions thereof. Darquis 04:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Venom super-soldier?

Ultimate Venom was not created to try and resurrect the super-soldier. it was meant as a cure for cancer, but was cancelled because Trask merely saw it as that. I'm going to change that, but if you want to put it back, feel free, but i think you would need a pretty good reason!

[edit] Ultimate X-Men Character articles

Why does someone keep moving them to their 616 character pages?--Dil 01:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Because it was consensus at WP:COMIC --Newt ΨΦ 02:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mage in to one article ?

• Ultimate Galactus trilogy
  • Ultimate Nightmare (first part of Ultimate Galactus trilogy)
  • Ultimate Secret (second part of Ultimate Galactus trilogy)
  • Ultimate Extinction (final part of Ultimate Galactus trilogy)

And

• Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra
  • Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra (first part of Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra trilogy)
  • Ultimate Elektra (second part of Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra trilogy)
  • Ultimate Daredevil (final part of Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra trilogy)

Why not Mage three article's into one of it is a trilogy?--Brown Shoes22 01:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Sounds good to me, as long as there's more there than just summary. However, if I were you, I would bring this up at the WP:COMIC talk page, instead of this semi-related article. --Newt ΨΦ 01:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] F4 age

I dont know where it states age differences, but Reed Richards is not the eldest, Ben Grimm is (as seen in first comic, Ben being in highschool with reed, and reed's being 11 at the time) Olthar