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[edit] Review/Comment
Saw this film at a preview last night in London and was severly underwhelmed. Both Brits do terrible American accents, Jodie Foster (and her role) are wasted in this and I'm sire I've seen this type of escape done before: it's not dissimilar to the ending of Escape To Victory. The ending is schmaltzy, no-one really gets to act and there are plot holes a mile wide. Look away now if you want to know no more BUT...how did anyone, least of all the bank robbers, get to know about the workings of the bank, Arthur Case's document and it's precise location (down to a deposit box which doesn't appear on the manifest) and the secret behind the ring? This film either deserves a prequel or avoiding.
Warning, Spoiler ahead: About The One Ring (sry): It belonged to a Jewish friend of said "elderly CEO". He explains to Frazier that he could've saved him from the Konzentrationslager but the Nazies paid too much. Judging from the reaction of the other elderly guy in the black car at the end, I guess he is of that Jewish family and would know about the ring. As to how they know the ring was in that specific deposit box... I don't think it really matter as to how and where they got their information...
Is the inclusion of the iPod really relevant? I think that should be deleted.
- A possible explanation regarding the ring: they did not knew exactly what was in the box except for the document and the diamonds; the ring was discovered after the box was opened by Russell, and the discovery was relayed to the Jewish guy who was part of the team.--IceCube 04:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] iPod reference
I second deleting the iPod reference. Doesn't have to do with the plot really.
I added to the plot a bit but there's a lot left out. Feel free to add more. DrIdiot 05:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I moved the iPod reference to Trivia. That's where it belongs.DrIdiot 17:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- Is this for real? Should we mention that people where listening to an ipod as well??
If the iPod ref goes back under trivia, it is not the second time an iPod served as a plot device (at least Runaway Jury, in addition to Firewall, preceded Inside Man).
[edit] deposit box number
Does anyone remember the deposit box number? I know it ended in 2. I put 292 in the synopsis, but it's probably wrong. Will soemone please correct it, thanks. DrIdiot 17:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure that it was 392 --Phantom784 17:42, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- Just saw it ... it was 392.
[edit] Safety Deposit Box
How did Dalton Russel know a safety deposit box had things incriminating the bank executive? If someone knows, can we add this to the plot synopsis? --Phantom784 17:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
All he says is, "crimes stink, you can hide them for awhile but they come back eventually" or something around that. Maybe he was a historian. Also the discussio at the top of this page asks that question. -- Psi edit 22:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
yep. Safety Deposit Box 1948 #392.…
[edit] Synopsis section needs to be better written
Chensiyuan 19:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I had a bit of a go at cleaning it up, but it still has some chronological inconsistancies. It's difficult to relay the events, since the movie jumps forwards and backwards, and much is revealed at the end. Iorek85 08:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
built in 1948 and opened in 1948 safety deposit box #392...just saw the movie
[edit] PSP videogame
Can I ask why you thought the psp game was meant to be GTA? I'm not debating the fact, but when I saw the movie I immediately thought of the 50 Cent game, "Bulletproof", which had similar gameplay and drew some attention because of its outrageous violence. This assumption seemed to be reinforced in the movie, because after Russel asks the kid about the point of the game, he replies, "It's like 50 says, 'Get rich or die trying'".
Anyway, it's not a big deal, and as I have not played GTA: LCS or Bulletproof, I can't say one way or another. Joeytsai 01:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- I believe it should be GTA, as GTA is the one with the controversies over extensive violence (remember Jack Thompson?). Anyhow it doesn't really matter either way. --TBC
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- The game was the Fiddy game, with the second half "Kill Dat Nigga" faked.
The PSP is a WiFi enabled device, and almost every game for it has a Internet-enabled multiplayer aspect, with the ability to go onto the Internet as well. I admit that the robbers might not have known this, but anyone with a sliver of a brain who owns a PSP knows that it could've been used to communicate with the outside world. Was this just a flub on Lee's part or a movie-breaking aspect? PratzStrike 00:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Plot Fault"
Re: the tank top thing... I'm not great with remembering details, so I could be wrong about this, but wasn't the girl with the tank top one of the robbers, not a hostage? It was probably a hint, not a plot hole. --Ryon 03:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- As I remember, there were two characters with tank tops, one was a hostage, the other was one of the robbers --TBC??? ??? ??? 05:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Inside man?
The old Rabbi had two headphones with different colors (one red and one white). When the police interrogated him and asked him why they were different, he said it was to distinguish which was for the left ear and which one was for the right. However, as I remember, Russell had worn one white earphone when he entered the bank that was identical to the Rabbi's, thus indicating that they were communicating with each other even before the robbery began. This would make sense in that in the end of the movie it is revealed that the Rabbi is related to the Russell (both were in the black van). So does this mean that the Rabbi was the inside man? I'll have to find some sources to verify this though. (though most likely the inside man refers to Russel hiding within the walls of the bank)--TBC??? ??? ??? 05:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- First of all, they were "hearing aids", not headphones. Second, I don't think that title actually meant an inside man that way, it may just be that Clive Owen stayed inside the building the whole time or something. -- Cbrown1023 02:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why o why?
The one bit of this film that I didn't understand is: Why would the guy that helped out the Nazis keep a documented note of it saying "this man helped out the Nazis"? I mean, he should've thrown it in a fire and destroyed it years ago if he wanted to hide a secret. What an idiot! Maybe this question would be better posed at the IMDB. --Dangherous 11:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Another Spike Lee secret?
Just saw the movie and enjoyed it, but chuckled to see FDNY represented by Engine 332, instead of E4, E6, or E10 who are all in the neighbourhood. This is a company from deep in Brooklyn, their house is at 165 Bradford Street. So is this another link to his childhood and some of his other films? or was it just a screw up in continuity? [Maplekey - 22:56 23-05-06]
[edit] The hole.
What was the purpose of digging that hole in the floor? They mentioned that a sewage line was exposed, but that was the last it was shown. ---Jackel 14:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- (Spoiler) I believe it was so Clive Owen's character could use it as a potty. Rockpocket 17:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, I considered this, but I figured there had to be a better reason. It would have been far more sensible to simply bring along some sealed "disposal bags" of some sort. I'm pretty sure sewage lines like that would be under pressure, and would need some kind of mechanism to allow a person to do his business directly into it.---Jackel 21:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Question here too at New York Observer: When did he find the time to dig a hole into the sewer system under the bank and hide out for a week without anyone noticing (or smelling) anything suspicious?[2]
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[edit] Plagiarisation
This movie plot sounds alot lke what it says at http://imdb.com/title/tt0454848/plotsummary
Plot Spoiler
IMDB
""Inside Man" is the story of a tough cop, Detective Frazier (Denzel Washington), who matches wits with a clever bank robber, Dalton (Clive Owen). As the dangerous cat-and-mouse game unfolds, a wild card emerges: Madaline (Jodie Foster), a power broker with a hidden agenda, who injects even more instability into an already volatile situation."
Wikipedia
"Inside Man is the story of detective Keith Frazier (Denzel Washington) who matches wits with a clever bank robber Dalton Russell (Clive Owen) in a tense hostage drama. As the dangerous cat-and-mouse game unfolds, a wild card emerges: a power broker Madeline White (Jodie Foster) with a hidden agenda injects more instability into an already volatile situation."
Who's copying from whom?
24.237.198.91 11:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe no one's copying, they could be written by the same author. Also, if no one says who copied who, it doesn't matter and the plot may have changed already. -- Cbrown1023 03:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Most Successful Film Directed by a African-American?
Can someone clarify/use sources on that statement? It's found in the Trivia section and it sorta bothers me as I don't see any sources.
I went ahead and deleted it, because it's not. John Singleton's 2 Fast 2 Furious made more than it both domestically and internationally.
[edit] The diamonds
Diamonds! Diamonds beyond your wildest dreams! Seriously though, the article states that no actual robbery occurred. However, there were diamonds in the safe deposit box, and some suggestion that the robber took one or more of them: the narrator-robber, near the end of the movie, states that he 'did it for the money.' Was this wealth to come from diamonds he stole, or from blackmail based on the documents? White also alluded to the burglar's intention to steal something else, saying that the robber doesn't plan on 'keeping [the documents] under his matress.'
So, did a robbery occur after all? Alksub 10:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
There was officially no robbery involved because the robbers didn't take anything that had a paper trail (i.e. banks know the amount of money in their vaults to the last cent, they didn't take anything from the other safe deposit boxes). The diamonds in the UNDECLARED safety deposit box, 392, Owen's character took with him and since their existence was intentionally hidden by the owner Arthur Case, he can't declare them stolen. The Cartier ring Dalton Russell left behind to raise questions (Cartier has records of every major buyer they have since their founding and so can trace the ring's ownership) regarding the incident. Even White did not know about the diamonds existence only that something important was in the deposit box. A sort of divertion within divertions. The whole plan practically killed two birds with one stone. Dalton Russell managed to steal a huge amount of untraceable diamonds and raise questions about the origins with how Case acquired the ring which is Nazi loot. The documents Russell probably kept for safekeeping.
[edit] Madeleine White & Arthur Case repartee
It's just nitpicking but I changed the conversation between White and Case more accurately (saw the movie with subtitles). White tends to dangle veiled hints and use whatever she knows about anyone to swing her power brokerings to her favor.
[edit] "We've listed you as his reference"
That is not what the character Madeline White said to the character Arthur Case, she said (it's at around 1:50:25 in the movie) "we have listed you as a reference" - to show to Bin Ladens nephew that White's influence/power-broking/dealings has no moral limits to work with contemporary, american "worst enemy". "We've listed you as his reference" would'nt make sense; why should I've referenced a friend of mine to get a job done? White also did not say it to enrage Case, she said it to show-case that for the right price, White is willing to do anything, and that Case' own past actions in known human history in WorldWar2 furthered White to deal successfully w. Bin Laden's nephew. I changed the quote correctly Archangel Michael 11:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
That's what I remembered too, but I forgot to change it. Anyway, whether or not White said the quote to enrage Case wasn't the issue, it was merely to point out Case's reaction to what she said. Considering the quote that she was purchasing a co-op for bin Laden's nephew, she meant she would use Case as a reference for the buy, after all what other kind of reference would she need from him -a client not friend? She didn't say it for the nephew's benefit, whose transaction was already in process during her introductory scene. Another example of this is the mayor, who has no direct interest in the robbery at all but she still managed through a favor to make him insert her into the situation. It's called leverage.
[edit] Major plot element missing
The Jewish guy in the car at the end was behind everything (see first discussion topic). This is not mentioned at all! —☆ CieloEstrellado 08:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- The Jewish guy is just another accomplice that just so happened to be in the bank before the crime occured. Technically, all the accomplices (not Clive Owen), were unknown because they kept switching the rooms of random hostages, so that way, all the hostages saw everyone once. -- Cbrown1023 03:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- However, it is possible the Rabbi may have been the 'Inside Man', because 1) he knew all the bank employees, and 2) was an older Rabbi and possibly related to the Jewish family, who thus may have presumably had a special reason to be interested in 'hunting' war criminals from the Nazi era. It is thus possible that the Rabbi was actually the person who did the original research, finding this bank, and discovering the undocumented safety deposit box. Especially as he asks specifically about the missing ring. Aaronwinborn 17:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] VOLKSWAGEN
Is false the information about minorities building Volkswagen cars in concentration camps, there was only one factory located in Wolsfburg; and there is no proof of force labor used in that factory, Which indeed was a symbol of the Nazi regimen, but the English Army preserved it and start making VW's after the war.
[edit] Pen recorder availability
Removed the pen recoder reference that stated that it wasn't available on Amazon.com. It is: [4]
