Talk:Ice dancing

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I recently added information about the three main dance components, we could use a stronger layout and organazation of the information. We could also use a seperate section under the history about the history of scoring, including the various scandals, and concluding with an in-depth explanation of the new code-or-points scoring system. -Ben 1/26/06

This page really needs more about rules, history, scoring, and the differences between dance and other forms of skating. Evan 23:39 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

True, it's missing alot. Like the original set pattern dance superceded by the original dance. Blades used are different from pairs and singles, etc...--Pelladon 03:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Five second rule

The five-second rule article links here and says there is a five second rule in ice dancing, but nothing about a five second rule is included here. -Cookiemobsta

Yeah, what's the deal with the five second rule? Does it exist? Ewlyahoocom 15:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

As the article indicates, the ISU has made many changes to the rules for ice dancing over the past 10-15 years. There *used* to be a 5-second rule regarding separations in ice dancing, but there isn't any more. Dr.frog 16:42, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! (Although I don't see anything in the article about any 5-second rule...) I'll go update Five-second rule. 03:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No music with lyrics!?

"ice dancing is currently the only discipline of figure skating which allows vocal music with lyrics in competition " - um, WHAT? I could swear I had seen pair skaters and singles male and especially female skaters use music with lyrics in "competition", including Ice Wars (and I could swear World and maybe even Olympics) before. What the heck? I specifically recall for instance, seeing Shakira's "Eyes Like Yours" being performed as a short program by a female singles skater in a couple of competitions, I've also seen that (IMO) horrible Britney Spears cover of the Rolling Stones' "Can't Get No Satisfaction" performed to in a competition, and there's one female skater that I've more than once seen use a version of the Chicago musical's "All That Jazz" number in routines. Can anybody clarify this for me? Especially since it makes no sense at all considering THIS passage of the Ice Dancing article: "Another distinction between ice dance and other disciplines of skating is that dancers must always skate to music that has a definite beat or rhythm. Singles and pair skaters more often skate to the melody and phrasing of their music, rather than its beat, but this is severely penalized in ice dance." How the heck can music have "phrasing" without lyrics? Am I missing something? :\ Runa27 03:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• Professional competitions such as Ice Wars have no set rules; the reference is in respect to ISU-sanctioned international competitions. As far as the phrasing issue, there *is* such a thing as a melodic phrase; see phrase (music). Dr.frog 12:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• • Wow, I should have read this Talk page before the Figure Skating one. ^^;; ... anyway, thank you for clearing those two issues up. Am I the only one who thinks the non-inclusion of vocal music in the forms of figure skating that AREN'T based on ballroom dancing a little weird? (And in my case, it's also kind of disappointing . :( ). Anyway, this means that both pages need to be edited - the ice dancing one to more specifically reference ISU-sanctioned international competitions, and the figure skating one to reflect the fact that non-ice dancing forms of the sport do not allow vocal music in ISU-sanctioned comps. I'll do the former, and perhaps the latter, now. Again - thanks for the clarification! Runa27 21:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• • • So, how does this read?: "Additionally, in international competitions sanctioned by the ISU, ice dancing is the only form of figure skating to allow vocal music with lyrics to be skated to. This, however, does not necessarily apply to non-ISU-sanctioned competitions (see: figure skating)." Short, but gives proper information in as clear a manner and phrasing as possible, IMO. Runa27 22:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)