Talk:Ian Paisley

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Discussion Archive 1

Contents 1 Sean Lemass 2 MEP, MP, MLA 3 Auto Peer Review 4 Ian Paisley on the Popes 5 In demand 6 Belfast Agreement 7 Longest serving

[edit] Sean Lemass

I removed the following a former IRA member during the Anglo-Irish war from the description of Sean Lemass.

1. It was 40 years earlier and was totally irrelevant to his role as Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland. O'Neill didn't meet Lemass because Lemass was once in the IRA (forty years earlier), he met him because he was prime minister;
2. Almost the entire political elite of the Republic in the era 1920s-1960s had some association with the IRA in the 1920s. That sort of line in the content is as pointless as calling Pope John Paul II a former priest.
3. Lemass's links with the IRA in the 1920s are covered in his page which is linked to the line.

The user who put it in under a marginally different wording has been doing this for ages, adding in his 'chip on his shoulder' comments that are totally irrelevant in the context where he puts them in, he using facts in contexts that POV something. FearÉIREANN 13:28, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It may have been three years ago, but you were wrong to make that edit. The fact that Lemass was once an IRA man explains why Paisley was angry with O'Neil. Thus it is relevant to include it in an article about Iain Paisley and his actions. Without his side of the story, it would be impossible to have a fully balanced view on the merits of his actions.

I will restore the point unless anyone has any better objections.

Quality control 04:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ian Paisley may and probably has already retired from the European Parliament, I refer you to the BBC article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3411419.stm

He has, but at the time of the original post (2003!!) he had not. --Kiand 18:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MEP, MP, MLA

I know the naming issue has been discussed before, but I'm just asking about the suffixes relating the political seats he holds. They are informative about who is he and what he does, not simply honorifics. "MEP MP MLA" was removed from the first line of the article a few minutes ago. See the change here [1] It's true that he's not an MEP any more(the DUP candidate was Jim Allister), but he's definitely an MP (for North Antrim) and MLA (North Antrim too?) still. I think the suffixes should go back in. What do others think? Weregerbil's edit comment was WP:MOS seems to suggest being stingy with honorifics. The MOS refers refers to honorific prefixes like Rt Hon. These are suffixes and I don't think they are called honorifics. Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs) 12:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

We don't include post-nominals denoting membership of legislative bodies. Proteus (Talk) 12:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Just checked Tony Blair. I was surprised at that. Thanks. Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs) 12:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Auto Peer Review

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[edit] Ian Paisley on the Popes

Was he (or IP Jr) approached by the "rentaquote mob" journalists for his comments on the transition from John Paul II to Benedict XVI - or is it that the general UK media do not report on him? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.143.26 (talk • contribs) on 17:31, 18 September 2006.

On Pope John Paul II's death he said "We can understand how Roman Catholics feel at the death of the Pope and we would want in no way to interfere with their expression of sorrow and grief at this time." [2].

Are the BBC "rentaquote mob" journalists ? :-) Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs) 21:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I notice on that page that the BBC has captioned his photograph "Ian Paisley sympathised with Catholics over the Pope", but actually he did nothing of the sort. "We would want in no way to interfere with their expression of sorrow and grief at this time" is in fact a terribly ambiguous statement -- does it mean "we sympathize with their grief and respect their right to express it", or does it mean "we're positively reveling in their grief and don't want to do anything to reduce it"? —Angr 22:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Come on Angr, you're being awfully cynical aren't you? Personally, I believe that if you take these comments at face value they amount to cautious sympathy. You of course are entitled to your opinion, but don't try to read too much into what he says. Love him or loathe him (he can be blunt at times) he is honest. Always, though, he says what he means and he means what he says. - Paddyman1989 16:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You're joking right Paddyman, that psycho Paisley is nothing but a bag of anti-catholic hate.83.70.236.106 15:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

In response to the "Anti-catholic hate" point, lets just clarify. Ian Paisley does not hate Roman Catholics. He does however despise the RC Church. Paddyman1989 12:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It´s also worth indicating that he said: "We need to learn that everyone on earth no matter what position he holds or the claims he makes or the support he has must come to death and eternity..." We know what he was getting at there.

We do, yes. He was getting at the fact that everyone will die, himself included. Please note that he did not say "This person will go to hell" - he merely stated that all will die. Polititians and world leaders are not excepted. Paddyman1989 12:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In demand

I removed the line "in demand" from the phrase "in demand lecturer" as it is a POV Template:Steve 19:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Rentaquote mob journalists - 'slightly useful negative term'

And anything on Benedict's recent remarks? (The correct answer from the Muslim side would have been to list out some of the Islamic achievements at the time the remark originated - buildings, science, Omar Khayam, Ibn Battitu (sp - the traveller) etc

[edit] Belfast Agreement

In the section entitled "Belfast Agreement" there is a whole chunk of text about Denis Donaldson and allegations of spying. I fail to see what this has got to do with the life of Ian Paisley. I think even the DUP only gets one mention and none at all for its leader. Would this be better placed somewhere else?

[edit] Longest serving

Is he the longest-serving party leader in history?

I doubt it. Fidel Castro is probably there at the moment. If you mean in the UK, I think 'Screaming Lord Sutch' claimed a leadership of the same order of years but that was based on backdating the Monster Raving Loony Party (founded 1983) to his 1960s contests. Sam Blacketer 00:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)