Talk:Durmstrang

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While Durmstrang does have extensive grounds, couldn't they still be connected to the sea in some way? I mean, the way the students of Durmstrang arrived at Hogwarts was by Boat, so isn't it possible?

I don't want to be edit happy, but I'll delete the "suggesting it is far from the sea" bit after the it says that Durmstrang has extensive grounds. Feel free to re-add it if you feel you have sufficient reasoning for doing so.

Contents 1 Speculation 2 'tsigeika' coats 3 Self-contradiction? 4 location 5 Photo 6 Blazon

[edit] Speculation

This article is largely speculative. Unless someone can provide a cite for the following points I will remove them in one week:

• The language of teaching is German
• The location is far north

Extrapolating a location from the described costumes of the students is unavoidably speculative, and violates WP:NOR. --DDG 19:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I largely agree, see my comments interspersed in the text. I would like to see your version discussed here first, however. --Ghirla | talk 08:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

The language of teaching is most probably not German (I'd say Russian, see a map for possible locations of the schools next to this text. Krum tells Hermione that the castle is in a place where winter days are very short, therfore they must be quite close to the arctic circle, which means quite far North. Also all the names and accents of the Durmstrang people are Slavic, not Germanic Lag 21:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'tsigeika' coats

One of the lines reads that the movie shows the durmstang students wearing Russian ushankas and tsigeika coats. What is a tsigeika coat? I've googled it, to no avail. I've searched Wikipedia... is this legit? // visitor

I checked with someone from the area, and he confirmed that this is a kind of coat. It might be an issue of transliteration. Anyone with more info, please respond. Phi*n!x 15:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I have heard the expression "tsigeika" for that long fur-collared coat before, but have no idea how it is actually spelled. They are different from boyar coats, which often have fur collars but are much fancier. I have scoured google in vain. --Bluejay Young 12:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Self-contradiction?

The third paragraph of the "Uniform and Study" section says that the idea that Durmstrang filters its students based on bloodline is speculative. However, the next section assumes it to be true (end of 2nd Paragraph). I will change the latter within then next week unless anyone thinks otherwise. Phi*n!x 16:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I changed it. Change it back or reword it if you have good reason to. Phi*n!x 16:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

There's another: "...Hermione, who is Muggle-born and would not have been admitted at his school."

—wwoods 17:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Good call. I just tried to fix that one, but it may need some work. Phi*n!x 18:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] location

Woulden't the school have to be somewhere in Bulgaria because Krum is on the Bulgaria national Quidich team?

No- it probably does mean that Krum is from Bulgaria, but Durmstrang is almost certainly an international school that covers many countries in Eastern Europe. See the "Location" section of this article for an explanation of why Durmstrang is probably not in Bulgaria based on climate indicators.Phi*n!x 17:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

The photo used is too dark. Does anyone have a picture in which we can actually see the content? Michael 05:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I am the uploader, and I can see the picture pretty well on my screen. I spent a while looking through the Durmstrang opening in the GoF movie trying to find the best shot, and this is what I came up with. That being said, I would use a basic image editor to brighten the picture, but I am pretty sure that it violates copyright law to edit a copyrighted image. --Phi*n!x 20:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I watched the movie again and found a better image, which I now posted. An admin might want to delete the one I posted before. --Phi*n!x 16:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...Was it actually seen in the movie? Michael 08:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blazon

I have seen an image of the Durmstrang blazon (crest) in locations such as a Hot Topic T-Shirt. Does anyone know if this is official in any way and if we might find some fair use rationale to post it in the infobox? -Phi*n!x 21:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I got a good look at it tonight while viewing some trailers. It is the double-eagle crest of Imperial Russia and should be very easy to obtain. The slight suspicion in which Rowling suggests we are to hold Durmstrang (do they study the Dark Arts there?) and nearly everything about their portrayal in the film strongly suggests both the Soviet Union and post-Cold War Russia with its uneasy alliances with the West. Having sat through eight U.S.-vs-U.S.S.R. Olympiads, I wondered what was missing in the Quidditch scene at the beginning and realized I was looking for "CCCP". Some things about film-Durmstrang also seem quite German; the school's name, the quasi-military march with which the boys enter the hall, their very short haircuts. Old Russia had kind of a love-hate relationship with Germany; there were periods where the two countries got along and had cultural exchange, and many Russian royals married German nobility (Queen Alexandra was German) but they also fought Germany on many occasions. --Bluejay Young 12:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)