User talk:DuncanBCS

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (Warofdreams talk 11:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. I see that you are a former AWL member - are you now an ISG member? If so, that article could do with some work. Warofdreams talk 11:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Fourth International 2 Categories 3 LCR 4 Permanent Revolution 5 Trozky 6 Swe Comm 7 AWL 8 Shachtman 9 French Turn Moderation 10 Shachtman etc. 11 French Turn & Max Shachtman 12 Maybe you would like to weigh in here... 13 Comment on Talk:Neoconservatism 14 Jacrosse arbitration 15 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse 16 Evidence at Jacrosse arbitration 17 Business Schools 18 Edits on Ivy League business schools 19 Mediation of disruptive behavior by User:GO WHARTON - please help 20 I blocked GO WHARTON and MBAguy... 21 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse 22 Fourth International 23 Magazine scans 24 Thank you my friend! 25 Pandelis Pouliopoulos 26 Proposed deletion 27 CS 28 Socialist Labour Party of Croatia 29 Ivy League business schools Ranking Links 30 FAC on Fourth International 31 Invitation to participate in a novel experiment by Wharton School and MIT 32 ISG and party box 33 Western Marxism 34 Mediation 35 Lutte ouvrière 36 Request for Mediation 37 AWL and the FI= 38 "Boston Business School"

[edit] Fourth International

I like your rewording as to how other groups regard the USFI's claims to be the FI. Do the ICFI actually claim to be the Fourth International, rather than representing continuity with it? And doesn't Lambert's group claim to be the Fourth International? Warofdreams talk 15:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for your reply. It's probably best to reply on my talk page, as then I'll see it straight away. Some people prefer to reply on their own talk page, to keep all the discussion in one place, but then it's best to add a note at the top of your talk page stating that's what you'll do, so that they don't miss your reply. Alternatively, if the discussion is all about one page, it may be best to copy the discussion to the talk page of that article, so that others can read it and join in if they have an opinion. Warofdreams talk 13:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• One last thought on groups claiming to be the FI - don't the Posadists claim to be the Fourth International? Or perhaps it's just *a* Fourth International? Warofdreams talk 18:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
• No, Posadas, is founder of the Posadist Fourth International, founded in 1962.

Duncan, I've replied to your comment on my talk page. Rafaelgr 23:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Hi. I was not aware anyone was watching them. Sure I will, and sorry for the inconvenience. And, since you know more than me on the subject, perhaps you could help me with including persons that were missed etc. Dahn 17:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LCR

Thanks for comments, will rework when I have a moment. I'm not sure if this is how I am supposed to leave a message for you - I'm new to the game. John

[edit] Permanent Revolution

It looks like you're doing a good job there. You're keeping your cool, and the dispute looks like it's down to a single sentence. I'd suggest keep trying to talk to Jacrosse, and consider whether the disputed bit could be rephrased in a way you'd both agree to (tho' of course that's difficult to figure out if you can't get a discussion going). Alternatively, make your position very clear and try to get some other people to comment as to whether they support you. Or even take a break from the article for a few days and see what happens when you get back to it. Best, Warofdreams talk 03:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trozky

I transferred your comment in the Hebrew Wiki to the talk page of he:לאון טרוצקי, where hopefully it will be addressed to. 192.16.204.80 19:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swe Comm

Hi. I see you've been writing a lot about socialism and socialists/communists.

I write a lot about the early Swedish Communist movement. As of now, I'm more or less finished with the articles on the two main communist leaders in Sweden, Ture Nerman, and Zeth Höglund (mostly based on these two guys' own autobiographies. And I plan to expand other Swedish Communists' articles as I read their autobiographies too. Right now I'm working on Karl Kilbom.) If you haven't seen them, maybe you would be interested in reading them, if you have time. It would be nice if someone who is into the subject, and a native english speaker, would overlook the articles, and maybe there are things that should be clearified for none-swedish people... or if they are too long, mentioning things that aren't of interest to none-swedish people. Feel free to edit. So, If you're interested and have time. Bronks 25 January 2006.

• Thank you for the nice clean up work you did with the articles.

None of Ture Nermans writings have been translated to English (that I know). On the Swedish wiki-article for Ture Nerman, sv:Ture Nerman, I've put up one of his poems, which he wrote during the october revolution to honor and support the bolsheviks. It's a very tough, alive piece, almost violent. The poem is called Till Bärget, For The Mountain, and he compares the Bolsheviks with the most radical people in the French Revolution.

On the Czechoslovakian border thing. It can be a misunderstanding I guess, or Nerman remembering it wrong. He mentions it in his autobiography, which was written in the 1950s, so Czechoslovakia existed then, and I guess that’s why he use that word. -Bronks 29 January 2006.

PS. I've altered the text about Czechoslovakian a little.Bronks 29 January 2006.

• Thanks! I looked at the poem. I can't really read Swedish, but I know Dutch and German, so I get the flow a little. --Duncan 17:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Here, I made a quick translation of that poem. It looses a lot of its momentum without the rhyme, but you get the point…

For The Mountain

Hurray, the Revolution is still alive!

it goes all the way to Neva’s water

On Tsar Kerensky’s grave stands the men of life

Lenin, with Zimmerwald’s feather in his hat

When everyone has betrayed the hopes of the starving masses

and when the Girondist cowardly have left the scene

when words fail and when the bubble burst

then it is your time, you Bolsheviks of the Mountain

Enough now with grand words and empty speeches

Justice demands hand, not tongue

Sounds of worry from inside king Mammons hall

Door in! Let the whole house fall

Burn the rubbish down to ashes

and from it, erect the Dictatorship of the Proletariat

salute revenge, salute workers and farmers

the Battering ram, the Bolsheviks of the Mountain

Blood? Violence? Well, the masses

Are in movement...

You will never create world peace

in silk gloves writing resolutions

Down with all the type writers

we will not die for any "homeland"

we’ve had enough of sugar and kind words

salute action, salute the Bolsheviks of the Mountain

A world in death agony sees its life in you

Humanity prays victory for your flag

Gods of freedom, send you armies down

to help bring dawn in all lands

In the sun you’ve lit again in the east

see, the centuries greatest mission in burning fire

History writes to you

your act of salvation, you Bolsheviks of the Mountain

Ture Nerman published in Folkets Dagblad Politiken November 11, 1917.

[edit] AWL

Yes; there's not much on the web on the RLC members, but [1] and [2] mention them attending an international meeting. Searching for a link on Solidarity in the US is almost impossible as all the hits are for the Solidarity newspaper, but any AWL supporters who move to the US are advised to join, so there are a couple of supporters in the group. Warofdreams talk 01:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Really? AWL supporters have moved to the US? Fascinating. It's a tiny group: I spent several years in the group can can't recall anyone moving to another country. --Duncan 12:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shachtman

I've updated the Shachtman article. I'd appreciate it if you take a look at it and help monitor any "close colleague" modifications. Thanks --metzerly 02:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction - I sometimes forget the distinction between the war and post-war views. Jacrosse is editorializing once again, and he is currently battering both French Turn and Max Shachtman. I'd appreciate your help in guarding against this. Thanks again. --metzerly 03:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I will likely be seeking mediation regarding Jacrosse if he continues his revisions. I would appreciate it if you participate and alert other interested editors. Thanks--and apologies for bombarding your talk page. --metzerly 22:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/French Turn, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

[edit] French Turn Moderation

I've been assigned to moderate the dispute on the French turn. See you there. Thesocialistesq 05:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shachtman etc.

It is indeed a bit of a mess isn`t it? --Isolani 18:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

But this can`t go on forever, he's bound to get banned at some point? right? To me, the entire issue is completely irrelevant, I think I edited a typo out of Schachtman and added it to my watchlist.. God knows what kind of mire I may have stepped into!

--Isolani 19:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably "maar van binnen koken we" :-D

--Isolani 19:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I have had the advantage of having had a strict education in a very old fashioned rural grammar LOL, I was actually made to read 60 literary works in 4 languages for my matric-letters exam (though, to be honest, I was probably the only student in the class who actually did read them!)--Isolani 19:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

As Wikipedia is not a planned economy, I`m afraid you should hunt and gather to find your fill of user-boxes. ;-) Actually, I am currently assisting examiner for the prelim oral examinations at matric level. No literature is asked for, as we have given up on even trying to get students to read. They will out-cheat you any time. We try to read a novel and a play in the groups over the course of two years, and that's it. I feel like an old fart at times, making a reference to, say, Byron and having your students look at you as if you mentioned something exceedingly awkward. --Isolani 19:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Your userboxes do reveal some fascinating information. A Trotskist with an MBA? There must be a fascinating story behind that combination.... --Isolani 20:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French Turn & Max Shachtman

At this point Jacrosse is engaging in obvious acts of vandalism without even beginning to comment on the talk page. An admin can ban him simply enough... but not permenently. I don't think Jacrosse will sit down to talk with anyone at this point (i could try one last time if you'd like), so your best choice might be arbitration, however nasty it may sound. If you go down that path, you should begin assembling the other parties to this dispute and build a case. If that's what you do, i'll back you up all the way. Thesocialistesq 13:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Duncan. Everything's fine--though I've been really busy. I'm willing to go through an arbitration process, but I'd also be open to reporting Jacrosse for rampant vandalism. At least 2-3 administrators have involved themselves with Jacrosse, so this wouldn't be coming out of nowhere. --metzerly 21:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Duncan, thanks for the invite to join in, but my contributions were really only fixing a few links, and I don't really have any feel at all for the subject, so I think I'd better stay out. Good luck, though, in reaching a solution to it all, and sorry I can't be of more help. --BrownHairedGirl 22:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm in on the arbitration... Thesocialistesq 10:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe you would like to weigh in here...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan - Bertilvidet 00:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on Talk:Neoconservatism

Hi, Duncan. I left a message responding to your comment. You can find it here. Thanks for all your help in this. Jacrosse is a frustrating, perhaps impossible, editor to work with. If his intransigence continues, I am more than willing to go through the arbitration process. Hydriotaphia 17:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Duncan. What's the update concerning arbitration? --metzerly 00:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

In case you didn't see: Jacrosse was at it again today --metzerly 00:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Duncan: Thanks for your message on my talk page. Yes, I would like to be a party involved in the arbitration; I believe my experiences with Jacrosse should be known. Should I add my name, or should I wait for you to do so? Best, Hydriotaphia 14:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jacrosse arbitration

I'll try and help where I can. My involvement with Jacrosse was principally on the neoconservatism page. There was a mediation request for Neoconservatism as well: Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Neoconservatism. It never got going, because no mediator was available to take it up. You might want to contact the parties to that mediation to see if they're interested in joining the arbitration. As for a statement, I think I'll wait until evidence is asked for, at which time I'll troll through all the User constributions, article histories, talk page history, and block logs to help out.—thames 15:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence at Jacrosse arbitration

Hi there, Duncan. The evidence page at the Jacrosse arbitration is open for contributions. I encourage you to contribute there; you know more about Jacrosse's original research than I do. I have added what I can on other issues. Best of luck, and thanks. Hydriotaphia 15:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you about this—we still need you over there, though! Hope all is well. Hydriotaphia 01:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Business Schools

I'm new to this, so please excuse any missteps, and please understand my reluctance to undo somebody's edits. You removed some words "advertizing Kaplan," which makes some sense (but Thunderbird and others are similarly advertized in the remaining article--I included Kaplan not to advertize them, but to provide an example of such schools). Why did you also remove reference to the non-university business schools, which are much more numerous and touch many more lives (and for which "business school" is a U.S. idiomatic name)? Maybe the article should be renamed Graduate Schools of Business, or B-Schools, or similar. A basic point (truth?) is that only a minority of U.S. "business schools" are university graduate schools. (I'm a graduate of the university type, and I occasionally teach in one of the other type.) Lou Sander 20:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits on Ivy League business schools

Thanks for your suggestions. You mentioned that I should try to win consensus for my POV, but I don't think that's necessary or constructive when I'm trying to police edits made by a particularly deceitful user. Read the talk page fully to understand what's going on there. I can see in your edit history that you have removed content from other articles without first discussing on the Talk page. When such edits are clear and necessary, I've made them, and it appears so have you. MBAguy 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation of disruptive behavior by User:GO WHARTON - please help

You seem to have expressed an interest in mediating the dispute over the promotion and reversion of NPOV edits to Ivy League business schools. If you're still interested, I'm writing to request that you help out, reviewing the talk page IN DETAIL and make up your mind as to what is going on and take appropriate action. Policing his disruptive edits is taking just way too much of my time, and my frustration is showing, to my embarassment. Thanks. MBAguy 04:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I blocked GO WHARTON and MBAguy...

...for twenty-four hours for violation of the 3RR.

I'm probably a little out of bounds on that because I don't know that either of them have ever been told about the existence of the 3RR, but I've done it anyway.

I reverted three of the six articles so that half are as last edited by one and half as last edited by the other.

Comments or suggestions welcome. Dpbsmith (talk) 10:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse

This case has been closed. The final decision is in the case page at the link above.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 14:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth International

I've been through the article and added various citations. Where I haven't yet been able to find a source for a statement, I've added a "citation needed" tag. It'd be great if you could fill in some of these missing citations - I know some of them are for paragraphs which you researched. thanks, Warofdreams talk 23:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I've sourced as much as I can - are you able to find any more? The "unity discussions after 1963" section has particularly few references. thanks, Warofdreams talk 22:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Great, thanks for those. When I have time, I'll move statements for which we have no references to the talk page, or where possible reword them. Oh, and the Summer School was excellent - good debates, and busier than the last few. Warofdreams talk 23:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magazine scans

It's great that you've gained permission to use these covers to illustrate our articles! Have you got the permission to use them in writing? If so, it'd be great to include the text on the image page, just in case anyone starts questioning them. Warofdreams talk 02:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you my friend!

Indeed a nice surprise to see that an article about Revolutionary Communist Group (Lebanon) has been started. Very good and indeed necessary! Thanks. Bertilvidet 22:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pandelis Pouliopoulos

First of all, I would like to say that you are doing very nice and informative work on aticles on socialism in Wikipedia, including, of course, the article on Pablo. I would like to bring to you attention the aricle on Pandelis Pouliopoulos, the not so famous as Pablo but important Greek trotskyist (or, as you put it for Pablo, "of Greek origin"). I have added a few lines, including a photo, and I am planning to add, little by little, a few more things as I am also writting a Greek version. Please read it through and make any possible edits. I was wondering also if any book or article by Pouliopoulos was ever published in English. Many thanks in advance, --Michkalas 12:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Institute of Industry Analyst Relations, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Institute of Industry Analyst Relations. If you remove the {{dated prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Fram 07:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CS

please have a say at the ongoing blankettings of the Socialist Convergence (Mexico) article. --Soman 12:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not misrepresent my edits, since I'm not deleting anything. I'm merging and redirecting a minor topic to its appropriate page (National political association) as per Wikipedia:Redirect. That stub won't be expanded beyond the text it currently has until (if) it becomes a proper political party, thus justifying the redirect. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

First please read Wikipedia:Redirect. The important bit here is that the edit history remains where it is (the Socialist Convergence article). Also there is no loss of information since exactly the same text has been copied to the National political association article (please read the entry there) and links, both internal and external, have been preserved. This is the only reasonable way to handle mergers of articles, unless you also want me to merge the edit history, which is actually quite a messy task. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

There's no more information in the standalone article. The only great difference is the politics of Mexico template and the sentence on national political organizations which you wrote yourself. The three lines in the NPA article are pretty much a verbatim copy of the stub. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Now, don't you twist my words. I clearly stated above "there's no more information in the standalone article." The line you wrote about the NPA takes information that it is in the main article itself, which is not new content that would be missing out in the merged article.

Right now I wonder whether I should bother discussing the issue at this point in time, since so far I've been called a vandal, had my edits misrepresented and misquoted while acting within the guidelines and in good faith. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 17:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Apologies accepted, of course. However in all fairness I believe that you, as the mediator of sorts in this dispute, should also have a word with Soman (re [3]). See also my own ranting reply in the article's talk page. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Socialist Labour Party of Croatia

An anonymous user added it at Reunified_Fourth_International#Sympathising_organizations_.28including_ex-official_sections.29. I think it is not correct and the page of the party itself doesn't mention anything.--Michkalas 18:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ivy League business schools Ranking Links

Thanks for adding them! DMacks 20:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC on Fourth International

People seem to like the article on the Fourth International. As you've contributed quite a lot to it, I wondered if you'd like to comment on it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fourth International. Thanks, Warofdreams talk 03:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to participate in a novel experiment by Wharton School and MIT

I believe we have met in the past at Tuck (if you are that Duncan who was at Tuck on the exchange program from LBS).

I wanted to invite you to participate in a novel wiki experiment by Wharton and MIT – leveraging the knowledge and experience of community to write a book together, to be published in 2007. The focus of this new book, tentatively titled We Are Smarter Than Me, is just that: a guide to the landscape of community knowledge and the identification of key principles to harness it. Organized initially around the major business functions and processes, the book will contain case studies of successes and failures, and commentary on the lessons learned. But most importantly, this book will (we hope) be written by hundreds or thousands of people, each listed as an author.

Using wiki technology, the purpose of our experiment is to determine whether a community approach applies to book-writing, and to harness the knowledge of the community to advance the state of management. You can learn more about how this will work by visiting http://www.WeAreSmarter.org

To ensure the success of the venture, we've enlisted some additional resources to provide support. We're forming an advisory committee of faculty and industry experts, led by Tom Malone, a senior faculty member at MIT who heads up the Collective Intelligence Laboratory. Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, has agreed to serve as a member of the Advisory Board as well.

You are invited to participate in the project in a variety of ways. This would include, but not limited to, making contributions to current chapters, or creating new chapters if you believe the current structure is too constraining (you can review the current chapter structure on the website). Or you can simply monitor the chapter(s) you feel are most relevant, and you can provide commentary and content as you feel necessary. If you are interested in participating in this project, please visit the project website to learn more about the project and to sign-up as a project participant.

[edit] ISG and party box

I think the party box works well on the ISG article, and in the articles of other groups which do not regard themselves as parties, such as the CPGB(PCC) or AWL. Despite its name, it doesn't state or even imply in the actual text that the organisation is a party. Many of the fields are appropriate to the ISG, and to other similar organisations. It does still need a logo for the ISG, though. Warofdreams talk 23:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western Marxism

The order of the list was roughly based on the period during which each thinker did their main writing Hanshans23 21:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Apologies for leaving you out, no offense intended. Donnacha 10:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lutte ouvrière

The scetion you removed was certainly written quickly -by myself - and needs cleaning up for POV. Nevertheless the questions are important. In France the first thing which people think of when they think of Lutte Ouvrière is their discipline, semi clandestine methods, and their general opposition to their comrades having children. These characteristic do not come from nowhere, but from the idea, at the origins of LO, that petty bourgeois attitudes were the cause of the failure of the presvious generation of trotskyists... Surely this is not simply ireelevant ? Nor is it a reflection which comes particularly from S.I.... John

I found a moment to add two important points, this time with references to the LO weekly paper, references easy to check on the web. Hope you are happy :=) john

[edit] Request for Mediation

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[edit] AWL and the FI=

Of course, it's wrong - not sure who they imagined that the current was - but you probably know that the AWL has applied for sympathising status in the past. Warofdreams talk 23:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Boston Business School"

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