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Nu Metal/heavy metal or hard rock.
There has been an revert war going on with what the genre of Disturbed is. Personally, I consider them heavy metal, but there are people that are claiming they are nu metal. But they are accually as announced by David, they are hard rock. Lets figure this out here, rather than constantly reverting the main article. --ZeWrestler Talk 13:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
- I do not believe Disturbed is a nu metal band.--68.117.210.6
Disturbed refers to themselves as an "alt metal" band. I assume this mean alternative metal though it could come from German 'alt' meaning old. Heavy metal is often associated w/ drinking and beers, such as Alaskan Amber, refer to themselves as 'alt beer'. ~ CG
- That's not "alt beer"; it's "altbier". Look it up. :) Andrew Rodland
- The on going hilarity of the “revert war” continues. I also think they're hard rock and I don't see why people should go around changing the article without discussing it on the talk page. Perhaps it could also be considered to just call them a rock group, rather than to try and get complete precision. (Although some people say nu-metal isn't metal....it would be a compromise of sorts to the people who think Disturbed aren't Heavy Metal). User:Blightsoot
Along with thinking they are heavy metal or nu metal, some people also believe they are hard rock. My opinion is they are heavy metal but I don't get upset when people call them nu metal because that's what the record companies label them as. As for hard rock, I think that's just a broad term for music like this and encompasses many genres. User:theunicyclegirl
I dont know what all of you are smoking, but Disturbed is NOT Heavy Metal. Heavy Metal is bands like Metallica and Sepultura, and Disturbed sounds nothing like them.
- Yeah I agree that Disturbed is nothing like Metallica and Sepultura but that doesn't mean they're worse than those two. Classical musicians, jazz musicians, popular musicians, and many other musicians can appreciate heavy metal even though they're nothing like the music they perform. Why can't you?
- How ironic, considering Metallica's last album is consistent with several of the apparent "nu-metal" styles.
I don't even see why there is a page as in depth as it is on "nu-metal". It's generally meant as an insult to groups that basically sound like rap. User:Blightsoot
- Disturbed is a nu metal band, even if their new album has solos. System of a Down are also nu-metal, and their guitarists also throws in the occasional solo. Having a solo doesn't mean you're not nu-metal. The two bands mentioned above have pretty much sold out, do if you use them in an argument, it pretty much makes your point void. I vote for nu metal. 80.58.6.172 15:43, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
What is your definition of a sell out? How can you say these bands are sell outs? Because they have a fan base of more than 1000? Because people can hear them on the radio? It isn't like these bands are on every other commercial or anything like that. You want a sell out band, look up Metallica. Metal? "Nu-Metal"? Disturbed is just a rock band. Classifications beyond that are for suckers.
They are not nu metal, as they do not rap or have distorted lyrics such as System of a Down. to say the least Disturbed is indeed a heavy metal band. I agree they do not sound like the older metal bands but this is to be expected. Evey band evolves as times change and there sound changes to match these times. Also they did not sell out, a band only sells out if they use there fame to help a so X Disturbed is not rock, they are metal. they have stated this at there concerts. tmething that has nothing to do with them: example (Slipknot selling health insurance) you can not say a band sells out because they acheive fame.
- Listing this band as Heavy Metal is factually inaccurate in multiple ways. Anyone with an extensive knowlegible about the Metal genre (as I do) would agree. They are an entirely "Nu Metal" band, which is entirely apparent in their sound, and image. To call them Heavy Metal is an out right lie. I'm changing this part. MadDax 07:52, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, yeah yeah. Ok then Mr "knowlegible", Tell me which part of this Disturbed Comes into:
Nu metal is a controversial subgenre of Rock music. Its connection to Metal as a music style is purely in the name. Often times this is miss classified. It sometimes bears some influence from hip-hop, because rhythmic innovation and syncopation are primary. Nu metal bands also feature aggressive vocals (either rapped, shouted, or sung), drop-tuned guitars that are clean or distorted, (with riffing similar to the Seattle Grunge Rock scene of the early 1990s) a funk-based rhythm section, and occassional DJ techniques such as turntables and sampling.
Ok so lets look at this. There is no element of "hip-hop" in Disturbed's music, and I've never heard any "funk based rhythm" "occasional DJ techinques such as turntables and sampling" or any other random excuses to label bands with derogatory terms.
Also, if you look at Disturbed's newest album, it has numerous guitar solos and riffs consistent with other Heavy Metal.
I think there is an obvious amount of disagreement on this issue, so I'm going to change the genre to Metal. There isn't any point trying to describe them under sub-genre's with the number of disagreements on which one they come under. Blightsoot 12:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, if you want to get into it, the label does apply reasonably well. Disturbed does, to my ear, take some musical cues from Seattle as well as more traditional metal sources, and they do also incorporate elements from rap and funk into their songs, though not to the same degree as other artists. See for instance "Droppin' Plates" or "Liberate", or compare "Shout 2000" to the original "Shout". And no one who's heard the music would say that Disturbed's vocals aren't "aggressive".
- Further, it would be foolish to say that Disturbed are "simply" heavy- or speed- or thrash- metal -- they have a distinctive style that's grown beyond all of those influences.
- Personally I don't think that it's important to place music into a single genre, and I don't intend to get into a revert war, but I also don't think it's fair to suppose that the idea that Disturbed is Nu-metal is entirely meritless. What I do think, given the stigma of the term, is that that label is mostly being applied by people who don't like Disturbed, which makes it borderline POV. Anyway, I agree that sticking to "Metal" is a reasonable middle ground.
Andrew Rodland 04:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
You're all wasting your time arguing over meaningless lables like "nu-metal". They are either in the broader, and better category of "metal" or they are not. Sub-genres should be avoided and dropped entirely. In 10 years, nobody will know what you're talking about when you mention "nu-metal" or "goregrind," but they'll know damn well what "metal" is. Anyone that believes different is deluded, wrong, and ultimately can be broken down into fanboy-status as someone who isn't (a) authoritative; or (b) shouldn't even be listened to.
End of line.
HARD ROCK, NOT METAL.
- Iron Maiden was metal. Metallica was metal. Judas Priest was metal. Disturbed's sound is in no way similar to these bands. Disturbed is played on the radio, MTV, as well as the other mainstream television channels. They are Hard Rock. By having the term "Metal" on Disturbed's page is total blasphemy. Disturbed is HARD ROCK. What seperates them from Nickelback, Korn, and Staind? Is Nickelback metal too? By your logic, they sure as hell should be.
Take into consideration, Wikipedia's definiton of "Hard Rock".
-Disturbed has ALOT more in common with Black Sabbath (Whom was Hard Rock) then they do with Slayer, for instance (Whom is metal).
-hard rock typically features major key song construction, as opposed to heavy metal, which is often minor key oriented.
-There is a heavy reliance on the pentatonic scale for most elements of song construction, and fifths (power chords) are often substituted for traditional chords. Chord progressions are commonly associated to 1-4-5 degrees of the scale, as in rock and roll.
-Hard rock is typified by a bright, trebly overdrive distortion effect on the guitars, lending to its overall sound. Drums can range from 100-150 Beats Per Minute, with 120 BPM being typical. Bass is usually warm sounding and lyrics are usually not as dark as those found in heavy metal.
-Songs are generally hook laden, and consist of:
1. an intro 2. verse 3. chorus 4. verse 5. chorus 6. solo 7. chorus 8. an ending
Now, If this doesn't describe Disturbed, I don't know what does. Their simplistic riffs and drum beats, along with their melodic vocals makes Disturbed a HARD ROCK BAND; NOT A METAL BAND. "Metal" Would mean they'd fit in normally with Slayer, Testament, Megadeth, whilst "Hard Rock" would put them along AC/DC and Black Sabbath. As I said, Disturbed is on the playlist of EVERY SINGLE rock radio station, along with Nickelback and Staind and many other rock artists. Listen to their music and it's obvious they are not metal. The page should definitely remain as HARD ROCK. It's insulting any other way.
METALGOD 12:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Your theory has major flaws, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one seeing them. Before you even start on Iron Maiden metal lines and "been on MTV", Bruce Dickinson played Disturbed on his Heavy Metal radio show the other week......I'd take his thoughts over yours on Metal any day of the week. Metallica also feature often on MTV when they have new songs out, the irony.
On "Nickelback, Korn, and Staind?", they are more well known to the general public than Disturbed are. I've also heard no good solos (or in fact any) from these shitty bands.
"-Disturbed has ALOT more in common with Black Sabbath (Whom was Hard Rock) then they do with Slayer, for instance (Whom is metal)." Black Sabbath is also classed as British heavy metal making them actually one of Metallica's inspirations.
"-Hard rock is typified by a bright, trebly overdrive distortion effect on the guitars, lending to its overall sound. Drums can range from 100-150 Beats Per Minute, with 120 BPM being typical. Bass is usually warm sounding and lyrics are usually not as dark as those found in heavy metal. " Arguably that is the case with people like Nickelback. They don't use dark lyrics often as far as I know. Disturbed on the other hand have got songs about "satan hiding behind different names" and the devouring of souls/people.
" 1. an intro
2. verse 3. chorus 4. verse 5. chorus 6. solo 7. chorus 8. an ending"
This shows nothing, plenty of songs from a lot of genres fit that pattern. Even Megadeth's Rust in Peace...Polaris roughly fits this. "Now, If this doesn't describe Disturbed, I don't know what does. Their simplistic riffs and drum beats, along with their melodic vocals makes Disturbed a HARD ROCK BAND; NOT A METAL BAND. "Metal" Would mean they'd fit in normally with Slayer, Testament, Megadeth, whilst "Hard Rock" would put them along AC/DC and Black Sabbath. As I said, Disturbed is on the playlist of EVERY SINGLE rock radio station, along with Nickelback and Staind and many other rock artists. Listen to their music and it's obvious they are not metal. The page should definitely remain as HARD ROCK. It's insulting any other way. " blah blah blah. Your basic argument is that they've been on MTV a few times, as well as a few rock stations. Disturbed should not be under the Hard Rock umbrella. I'm now firmly seated in the ever increasing Metal camp. I mean, you're trying to clump Disturbed with Whitesnake for crying out loud.
And what kind of bullcrap is that they don't have dark lyrics? listen to down with the sickness sometime. 70.238.252.216
Christian?
Do Disturbed have Christian themes in their music? I don't mean, they're a christian rock band, I just mean like Creed and POD have. --Richy 12:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I do know that David Draiman is Jewish... Take that as you will.-->Chemical Halo 23:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
- Disturbed's 2'nd album, "Believe" has a whole mess of religious themes. Listen to Prayer, for instance. Then listen to Liberate, and Believe. They don't only use Christian themes but others as well. Look at the cover for the Believe album, and the symbol you see stands for Universal Belief. In it contains the four major religions: Celtic Cross, Star of David, Pentacle, and the Cresent Moon of Islam.
METALGOD 02:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Disturbed have themselves claimed to be spiritual, not actually religious.
I think its safe to say that any band that uses curse words is not a christian band. And yeah, Believe has all sorts of religious stuff in it, not neccesarily pro religion though. Prayer seems to be mocking religion and god
He said "christian themes" not Christian Band. And U2 also swear, drink and chain smoke...they are devout Christians. Snowbound 04:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Christian themes? David is a jew
More Genre Hilarity
It seems one user against the majority insists that Disturbed should have the genre labelled as Hard Rock instead of Metal.
The apparent definite proof is an interview of KNAC. Despite the fact the interviewer asks "Do you think that metal is less forgiving" to Draiman, it apparently means an experienced interviewer is randomly asking him about a different genre nothing to do with Disturbed. Draiman continually says Disturbed are unique and with his Hard Rock point, he merely was pointing out that Disturbed is different from most Metal groups and that he "At the end of the day, the categorization or the stereotyping that people do is something I could care less about." meaning he's going with the "label us how everyone else is if you want, we don't care where we're put".
In short it was a rant on metalcore and death metal and he's simply trying to distance himself from it in a very unimpartial way....something that is nothing new.
I support the policies brought in by the other editors and I've reverted to it. Wikipedia is not a place of non-neutrality and for fanboys who follow every word a band says like it is the word of God. (Only Steve Harris should get that honour) 66.76.50.91 20:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
"We're more Hard Rock than anything." - David Draiman, of Disturbed. Also, when asked on Rockline whether Todd McFarlane (Who created the album cover for Ten Thousand Fists) is a fan of Disturbed, David responded "No, He doesn't really listen to hard rock". I'd think the band themselves would know what genre they are, rather than most of you. POINT: Disturbed is Hard Rock.--METALGOD 21:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think I'll chime in here. Considering a lot of people label them nu-metal, it is no surprise they want to put themselves forward as "Hard Rock", but the facts actually show them as nu-metal. The hard rock thing is merely against the "labelling" as Draiman put it. Therefore, as the previous user eluded too, the viewpoint that they're "hard rock" in the face of facts is not a neutral point of view and is subjective. I won't put it as nu-metal because I know this will bring back the old argument of "Nu-metal or Heavy Metal". I think we just need to realize that Disturbed are unique. That means I'll put in a bit about both hard rock and metal. A "fair compromise" which there should be no problems with. Roger Danger Field 10:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Aah... METALGOD... Are you gonna keep this up? Dude, you're really the only guy who's actively against the 'metal' labeling, almost like it's a religious matter. It ain't, but you know what I mean. Anyway, I'm all for putting them under as either rock/metal, or just plain metal. I mean, I'd say rock if there were more people arguing it, but the sad fact is it's a huge number on one side, and one guy on another side. Therefore... well, you're being stubborn. Like the spoiled kid in the corner with his arms crossed INSISTING that he's right, while all the other kids all agreed on the other side LONG beforehand. And uh... I don't think I'm the only one who's a little fed up with all this. It's gone on TOO LONG. - Neodracoferret
Whoever you are, keep your rusted comments to yourself and do not abuse the privileges put forth by this site. This is not a critic page. (Although real critics have a better knowledge of how to use the English language better.) People like what they like are there's not much anybody can do to change that. So be considerate. And on a personal note; calling others 14 year old goths and feeling sorry for them doesnt make you any more mature than your obvious childishness.
To those who believe Disturbed is a Nu-Metal band: I honestly don;t see where you ge this from. Nu-Metal is far more rap than anything Disturbed has ever released. A good example of a Nu-Metal band is Linkin Park. THey are perhaps the most popular and defining band of the Nu-Metal genre(As said on the Nu-Metal page. Could you bring up some good evidence as to why you think they are?
To those of you who think Disturbed is a Hard Rock or Metal Band: I can really see this going either way. Ten Thousand Fists is more Hard Rock, while The Sickness was more Metal, with Believe being more in between. I could be catigorized as either, or both, as is sometimes done with genre disputes. --RockMaster 19:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Disputed Tag
I added a disputed tag to the Violation of Innocence section. Not sourced and there is no evidence this group exists. Group is on AfD, if it is deleted, this section should be removed.--Isotope23 20:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
About rapping???
thats not rapping...if that were the case throw in metallica megadeth since they've both had non-singing parts in songs
Minneapolis' Disturbed
Before the band discussed here there was an undisputably metal band by the moniker Disturbed from Minneapolis or St. Paul Minnesota that toured briefly. Some members included Earl Root(God Awful,(SIC),Aesma Deava,On The Rocks), James Odegard (God Awful), Blake Hurlbert (Quincy Punx, ShredFit,(SIC),Sublevel). They had at least two releases and also played Milwaukee MetalFest at least once.
vandalism
Should this article be locked? I'm fairly certain that Disturbed is not a porn star.
- I'm fairly certain you are right :P I apparently overlooked one occurence of "porn star" when cleaning up after some vandals earlier today...but I don't think the current vandalism level warrants page protection - that is generally used as a last resort when things start going really bad, and should always be a temporary measure - Ferkelparade π 16:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Ozzfest Performance
I have removed the details of their most recent Ozzfest performance. Nobody gives a damn about the songs they played live, at least not in an encyclopedia. We're not a fanpage. --84.62.141.252 16:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
