Talk:Devil sticks
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[edit] capitalisation
Does it bother anyone that this page was moved from Devil Sticks to Devil sticks? I am certain this is wrong. Neither or both terms should be capitalised as otherwise it emphasises the wrong part. 'The Stick' is the emphasis, not 'Devil'. I have never seen this art form mentioned by jugglers with the first word capitalised and the other not. This article is not only about the gear, the devilstick, it is also about the art form, Devil Sticks as a whole. Several other articles from within this constellation of articles that are spelled in Title Case when describing the art form -- Spanish Web is one, this list has many other examples. The Hockey article isn't titled Hockey stick and skates and Tennis isn't Tennis ball... I'd like to move this back to Devil Sticks where it was in August. Would anyone have a stong objection to this or a reason why this is not acceptable? We already had all the redirects from every possible spelling pointing to Devil Sticks, and I'm willing to go back and fix them all again. comments?Pedant 20:57, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
As it is, there are several orphaned redirects to redirect pages that point here, I'd be happy to fix all the reirects, but would like this article in a stable location first.Pedant
OK, trying this again. I have been a sticker more than half my life and have met and discussed sticking with literally thousands of stick jugglers, so I'm not at all uncertain about the following and I have seen no interest in this discussion, so I'm going to try one more time, then call this consesnsus, even if it's just me "consensing".:
According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions the name of this article should be Devil Stick as it is a proper noun, when refering to the Art of stick manipulation as a whole, which is the scope of the article, Devil Stick manipulation as a subset of Equilibristics. It was at Devil Stick before, and someone merged it or renamed it, somehow it became Devil sticks in the plural.
- In the singular, and lowercase, it means the center stick of a set of sticks.
- In the plural it means the equipment, not the art form.
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- One wouldn't move Hockey to Hockey skates right?
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Names of the art form might well include the word 'juggling', 'twirling', 'manipulation' tacked on at the end, but the article is not just about the manipulation of the stick, and those are by no means universally recognised names for the Art.
My assertion is that the best name for this article is Devil Stick. comments?
- Why would the title of any article not capitalize major words (those that are neither conjunctions nor prepositions)? Whether or not one or both words should normally capitalized seems irrelevant to whther one or both words whould be capitalized as the title of an article.
I'm not an admin, so I will need to get help to move this article, because a redirect to this article was created when the page was moved and it will need deletion in order to avoid a cut and paste move. I've already had an admin move this once, but someone has moved it again or renamed it, likely someone who meant well... but who did not fix all the consequent double redirects and who did not make any mention of why the page was moved or renamed, here on the discussion page, and who also left the talk page of the old article behind.
If I receive no response within two weeks, I will assume I am the only one who cares about this (I am organising and categorising the entire clown/juggling/circus/circus skills constellation presently, as my time allows, and I want to have some consistency, and not have to keep fixing links -- there are an enormous number of redirects already, and I hate to duplicate effort.) I think it's reasonable to expect any editor of any page to at least read the discussion page for pages they edit, so I think this is a suitable place for this discussion.
please comment if you have anything to say on this, maybe add a comment on whether you are a fellow juggler or just another editor, or expert grammarian or whatever, as I am obviously weighting my own opinion quite heavily as I wrote most of the article as it stands and have much more to add to it, and consider myself one of the primary contributors to the article... would also weight a comment heavily if you wrote some of the article at any point, if you are a juggler, circus historian, etc... Thanks for any commentsPedant 22:13, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)
- I would have thought that the name of the art was devil sticking or devil-sticking (lowercase), though I haven't anything but gut feeling to back this up and I defer to your knowledge of what terms are used most by stickers. I don't see why it should be considered a proper noun though; could you back that up a bit? I favour devil stick as the article title, but am ready to be persuaded. —Rory ☺ 23:18, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
I also feel that both words should be capitalized. -Mbarowai
I have been playing Devil Sticks for several years now and have always seen it as being in capitals. --Mark Barnes 22:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I see it more as devil stick - I wouldn't put juggling balls in capitals, and think the same about devil sticks -- Luke
[edit] Fad?
I kinda think that having this categorised as a fad is misleading. It seems to me that playing with a toy whose origin can be traced to before the time of Christ is not a fad. I'll grant you that the popularity of sticking has increased radically in the last few decades, but it seems to me that even a few decades is enough to make this more than a fad. I'm not married to removing it from the category, but this doesn't seem to qualify as a fad. Pedant 15:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] crystal and luna
"Crystal stix" and "Luna sticks" are both mentioned in the article, but are not really referenced after that. The phrase "known variously as" is a bit misleading since it gives the impression that "devil sticks" could be called "luna sticks" generically, when in fact Lunastix is a brand name, as is Crystal Stix. If the words "lunastix" or "crystal stix" are used in the article, the companies should probably be mentioned as well.
[edit] fiddlestix prominence
What's with all the Fiddlestix info? Is this an advertisement? I'm all for explaining the physics, but this sounds like someone trying to promote a brand or a version of history. The weird slant toward the flower stick style being better and more advanced than the tapered stick style also reeks of personal preference. Infotrope 06:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stix
If its anything else besides Juggling stix or just Stix's its a advertisement in my opinion. Certainly Crystal,fiddle, luna, are advertisments. There are hundreds of stick makers and types of stix.
