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[edit] Error in listing of Death Eaters
One name at the top lists "Avery" and another name several rows down says "Nott." The first and last name have been separated somehow.
They are two different people, arent they? Amtyo 01:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. Karwynn 18:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Quirrell = Death Eater?
Was Quirell ever a "Death Eater" proper? True, Voldemort took over his body, made him a mindless quivering slave, etc. etc. etc, but I don't think he counts as a proper Death Eater ... -- Gaurav 09:47, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)
A Death Eater was defined in the book as "what Voldemort's support's call themselves" and I think from what Quirrell said at the end of the book, that he wouldn't object to being known as a Death Eater. He worked for Voldemort and tried to further his plans at great personal risk. Voldemort didn't actually make him "a mindless quivering slave" Quirrell was acting of his free will, he was just stupid enough to fall for what Voldemort told him(and this guy is teaching Defense Aganist the Dark Arts!), Voldemort took over Quirrell's body after Quirrell tried to break into Gringgots, which is something only a devoted follower would do. Also, there wouldn't be much point in putting the Dark Mark on his arm, as Voldemort was on the back of his head anyway. If it's a matter of devotion, Quirrell is more of a Death Eater than Lucius Malfoy and Peter Pettigrew. And finnally, the Harry Potter Lexicon lists Quirrell as Death Eater( see http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards-o-r.html ) I have always though of Quirrell as being a Death Eater, you haven't, and we could argue the point forever, but even if he wasn't "officialy" a Death Eater, I think this page should have links to anyone who ever served Voldemort of their free will.
- Hey 210.10 ... you're good ... how come you aren't a Wikipedian yet? -- Gaurav 15:48, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Thanks. I guess this argument is settled.
[edit] The Knights of Walpurgis
where did the vulpurgis thing come from? HussaynKhariq 00:50, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The Lexicon states that JKR mentioned it as background information on a BBC interview, 2003. About those Dark Marks; are all on forearms, or can they be on other parts of the body? -- Kizor 14:46, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Snape's defection
Did Snape change sides before or after the Voldemort's ecounter with the Potter? I was pretty sure it was shortly before. -- Dsuriano 22:36 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Negative. If you re-read HP6 you'll notice that it was Snape who told Voldermort about the prophecy. Furthermore if he had switched sides before Voldermorts fall, he wouldn't really have been able to rejoin him afterward, would he? Edward Grefenstette 22:25, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
- Unless he only pretended to switch sides in order to remain a spy. It's feasible. In fact, that's what Dumbledore believed he had done. Karwynn 18:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rounding out the Death Eater roster
I've been trying to work out the exact number of Death Eaters that we know of. Someone tell me if this makes sense. We'll exclude Quirrell, even though he had all the qualities of a Death Eater, because the organization was essentially defunct throughout the duration of his servitude to Lord Voldemort, and it's doubtful he was branded with the Dark Mark. By the time of Voldemort's defeat, Regulus Black had already deserted and been killed, so we can ignore him as well.
All right then. Can we safely assume that, in Book 4, all of Voldemort's loyal Death Eaters (excluding Barty Crouch, Jr., obviously) who hadn't been arrested returned when he summoned them? That list consists of Avery, Peter Pettigrew, Lucius Malfoy, Walden Macnair, Crabbe, Goyle, and Nott. During this reunion, Voldemort mentions that two of his Death Eaters (Igor Karkaroff and Severus Snape) have deserted him since his fall, and three more (presumably including Evan Rosier and Wilkes) have died in his service.
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- Note Book 4 says that Voldemort didn't speak to all the Death Eaters that showed up -- p. 651 of the U.S. first printing hardcover says "Some of the Death Eaters he passed in silence, but he paused before others and spoke to them.". Book 5, p.566 specifies Harry saw a "dozen-odd" Death Eaters show up at the summons. Accordingly, there are apparently five-odd loyal Death Eaters that showed up for the summons in Book 4 without being named.
Then, in Book 5, ten more Death Eaters are broken out of Azkaban. Curiously, only seven of them are named: Antonin Dolohov, Mulciber, Augustus Rookwood, Jugson, and Bellatrix, Rodolphus, and Rastaban Lestrange. That leaves four Death Eaters unaccounted for, one of whom is dead.
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- Nine-odd unaccounted for, making adjustment for the "dozen-odd" reference.
In Book 6, we are introduced to six new Death Eaters: Amycus, Alecto, Gibbon, Fenrir Greyback, and two more who go unnamed. Greyback was never arrested or killed, obviously, so he is obviously a newly recruited Death Eater, and can't fill any of our four empty slots. Judging by Dumbledore's and Lupin's apparent familiarity with Amycus, Alecto, and Gibbon, I would suggest that these three fill out the list of Azkaban escapees from Book 5. This hypothesis, however, still leaves one named Death Eater unaccounted for: Travers, who is mentioned in Book 4 as being one of the Death Eaters arrested and incarcerated in Azkaban. Strangely, he is the only imprisoned Death Eater not listed among the break-outs in Book 5.
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- Greyback could be of the five-odd, instead. -- In fact, must be, given Book 6 reference.
If we are to assume that Amycus, Alecto, and Gibbon complete Book 5's list of ten escapees, then Travers either was left behind when his comrades escaped (unlikely, given Voldemort's need for loyal followers) or he is dead. Since only two of three Death Eaters who died in Voldemort's service have been accounted for, I would suggest the latter; in other words, Travers loyalty to Voldemort got him sent to Azkaban, where he died.
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- Of course, all four of them could have been memebers of the unnamed book 4 Death Eaters, instead, which leaves the three escapees and the one dead unaccounted for.
In that case, all of the Death Eaters who escaped from Azkaban and all of the Death Eaters who died in Voldemort's service are accounted for, and the list of Death Eaters comes to twenty-seven (maybe with the addition of Draco Malfoy, whose Death Eater-ship I don't think the book ever confirmed or denied, though it can probably be assumed), only two of which (the brutal-looking, hard-faced one and the huge blond one) are still in need of names.
Of course, Travers could have been among the ten who escaped from Azkaban, along with any combination of two of the Death Eaters from Book 6, in which case the other three would be new recruits, but this way is much neater, I think. We'll have to wait and see if there's any resolution to the Death Eater ranks in Book 7. But in the meantime, are there any flaws with my theory? Jon Hart 16:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
- Of course I am a Death Eater... the Dark Lord has made me his most trusted servant. Draco Malfoy 18:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
- I believe we can assume that there were many Death Eaters who went unnamed in Book 4.
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- Think I've pointed out the flaw in sufficient detail. There are four-odd more Death Eaters numbered than we have total Death Eater names for.
List of Known Free Death Eaters at the time of Voldemort's Rebirth
Most are mentioned in Goblet of Fire, others sourced. Those that didn't show up for the duel with Potter are marked with a *
- Avery
- Carrow (first name ungiven, "the Carrows" named by Snape to Bellatrix Lestrange in Book 6)
- Carrow (first name ungiven, "the Carrows" named by Snape to Bellatrix Lestrange in Book 6)
- Barty Crouch, Jr. *
- Crabbe
- Goyle
- Fenrir Greyback (named by Snape to Bellatrix Lestrange in Book 6)
- Igor Karkaroff *
- Lucius Malfoy
- Walden Macnair
- Nott
- Peter Pettigrew
- Severus Snape *
- Yaxley (first name ungiven, named by Snape to Bellatrix Lestrange in Book 6)
[edit] Current status??
First, what is ment by current status? Does it already include infomation from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Wouldn't it be better to include changes in status like in the case of Bellatrix Lestrange, why not say Imprisoned in Azkaban till mass breakout in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Now at large or something like that. Let's give more details--michael180 18:55, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Image of The Dark Mark
Who put up logo or the picture of the death eater sign?
The back cover of the US hardcover edition of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince features this picture:
Seeing as the first image is from a fan and also does not included a licence, I propose we trim the back cover and use that as the picture of the death mark. --michael180 19:13, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
I concur. Nandesuka 19:19, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
- In fact, someone has done this already on the page Dark Mark using Image:Dark_Mark.JPG
[edit] Intentions
At the time of my posting, the "Intentions" field is the following:
- Largely unknown, but seem to include achieving immortality through the Dark Arts ridding the world of non-Purebloods
IMO, this is slightly unwieldy for an info box. Also, achieving immortality is largely a goal of Voldemort. I'm not sure it's actually a stated goal of the Death Eaters. I'd like to shorten this entry. I'm thinking of the following as possibilities:
- Serving Lord Voldemort
- Self-preservation and serving Lord Voldemort
- Includes ridding the world of non-Purebloods
I like option 1 or 2 because it pretty much states why the Death Eaters join and what they are trying to do. Thoughts? --Deathphoenix 16:12, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] R.A.B.
In fact I have evidence that R.A.B stands for the initials of Regulus Arcturus Black, for I'm Dutch. In the Dutch copy of the Halfblood Prince the letter to Voldemort is signed with R.A.Z. (Regulus Arcturus Zwarts)--84.26.109.69
- The R.A.B. article debunks that... I forget the details. Take a look. Karwynn 18:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] White mask - only in the movie?
As far as I know, the books have never mentioned a white mask being used by death eaters - instead, it was a black cape with a hood. The fourth film did, however. My personal view is that the books should come first in Wikipedia articles as sources of information, as the books have existed before the movies. So I removed the white mask -bit from the beginning of the article, as the mask is mentioned later on in the text. --Wormsie 13:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- I don't know if they mention color, but they definitely mention masks... several times. Karwynn 18:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Added
Added that Peter Pettigrew may have been responsible for the numerous deaths of members of the Order of the Phoenix while he was a member himself. It can be gathered, considering Moody's explanation of a photograph of the former members of the order, and his explanation of their deaths, that they may or may not have died because Peter was giving information to Voldemort. It doesn't seem totally unfounded, but feel free to edit it.
[edit] Goyle Sr. merged here
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goyle Sr.. Johnleemk | Talk 12:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shorten introduction
Unless anyone objects soon, I'm going to shorten the introduction. It's not supposed to be a complete synopsis of the history of the Death Eaters; I'll see about migrating some of the content into another section. -JohnRDaily 00:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's done. I created three new sections, and while reshuffling everything I changed everything that I could to present tense, as the guidelines for fiction indicate.
[edit] Big time re-write
Hey, just made a lot of changes, please review, discuss and edt as needed. All hail the Dark Mar--- er, happy editing! Karwynn 18:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge tag
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knights of Walpurgis. Petros471 17:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] spelling error
End of second paragraph: "Failure to do so results in punishment, often iin the form of torture or death." Too many "i's" in the word "in." Could someone fix this, please?
[edit] Crimes - Rosier
Hi, can someone with HP4 on hand fll in Rosier's crimes for me? Karkaroff describes them in the Pensieve. Karwynn (talk) 21:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A question
Why are they called Death Eaters?
[edit] "Black-Lestrange"?
When is she referred to as "Black-Lestrange" in the series? If she isn't, this should be shortened to just "Lestrange". Her ancestry isn't important to this article. John Reaves 03:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
