Talk:Davy Jones (Pirates of the Caribbean)

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Contents 1 Musical Locket 2 Saved Bootstrap or Will? 3 David Copperfield 4 First? No... 5 Original Legend? 6 Pipe Organ or Calliope? 7 Cthulhu? 8 Powers? 9 Fictional sadists category 10 Similar appearance to Star Wars species 11 Category: Fictional pirates

[edit] Musical Locket

The article states that people believe Davy's lover may have been Calypso(despite NO evidence given in the movie at all for this, making it pure fan speculation). Didn't anyone notice that Tia Dalma and Davy Jones BOTH have the exact same musical locket? You see Tia's when Jack is stealing the ring off the table, and you see and hear Davy's when Will is stealing the key. Isn't it more likely that Tia Dalma is the one referred to in the legends? Nezu Chiza 22:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

All good points. Here's another question of mine: does the movie actually say that Davy's pain and weakness come specifically from being left by his lover? I thought the pain of loving her in the first place was enough for it. (Obviously he doesn't have her anymore, but it's still a worthwhile distinction.) --Masamage 03:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

This page refers to Calypso (erroneously) as a "legendary sea goddess". Calysps was a minor sea nymph, who seduced Odysseus for 7 years, before being forced to seperate from him by the gods (Athena, Zeus and Hermes, in particular). Ive edited both articles to fix this, and link to the Calypso (mythology) article.

[edit] Saved Bootstrap or Will?

The article says 'Davy Jones also controls the loyalties of "Bootstrap Bill" Turner, whose soul he was given in exhange for saving Bootstrap.' I'm not expert on the matter, but would it make more sense for him to have saved Will? He didn't really save himself at any time.

Maybe the phrasing is just unclear. What I got from it (and the movie) is that Davy Jones saved Bootstrap in exchange for Bootstrap's soul. --Masamage 03:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Bootstrap was stuck at the bottom of the ocean after being tossed there by Barbossa. Unable to move (he was strapped to a cannon) and unable to die (the curse was still upon him), he gave his soul to Davy Jones in exchange for a release from his situation. -Captain JD Sparrow

Exactly so. Though even worse, actually, because it wasn't the canon that kept him from moving, it was the tons of water pressing down on him. He couldn't breathe, either. Not surprising that he went for the way out. --Masamage 17:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Copperfield

This is odd but, the name Davy Jones was also mentioned in David Copperfield toward the end of Chapter 2. Was Davy Jones some well known personage or pirate in the past or truly a fictional character? Wiki makes no mention of this name in the book. {{unsigned|69.226.210.211}

The movie character is based on the old legend of Davy Jones. The phrase usually used is to call the depths of the ocean Davy Jones' Locker--that even happens in the first Pirates movie. :) Check out the article! It's interesting. --Masamage 00:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First? No...

"Davy Jones is not killed in the second movie or even really defeated; a first for a Disney villain and movie." What about Jafar? Cathie 04:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Good point! Jafar was at least nominally defeated, though... --Masamage 04:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but Davy Jones is also somewhat defeated at the end of this film in that his heart is no longer safe. Isn't the last shot we see of him showing how angry and upset he is at this development? If this isn't somewhat defeated, then we can say that Dr. Claw of Inspector Gadget fame was never really defeated, since this is the position he is in at the end of every episode. Cathie 21:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Entirely a matter of opinion! But I think your edit was very well-placed, and I'll support it. --Masamage 21:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Not that it's crucial to the article, since I'm happy my other small edit was well received, but I find this: "he was actually victorious against the main protagonist" a little unclear, and I'm happier having it say "he was actually victorious against Jack Sparrow" since Jack Sparrow is not really the main protagonist, just as Jay Gatsby isn't really the main protagonist of The Great Gatsby. Even if you still believe Jack to be the main protagonist, I found clarification to be necessary, since there are many "main protagonists" and Jones was not especially victorious against Will, his other adversary. His relationship with Will at the end of the film is more stalemate than victory. Cathie 04:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

What about those twin cats from Lady and the Tramp. They to me weren't defeated. ~Wickanprince

[edit] Original Legend?

I remember hearing something of the legend of Davy Jones, etc, before the movie came out (something about sailors that sink to the bottom of the sea not dying and being forced to serve her forever). Does anyone have more information about the original legend? --Randomella 17:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)--Randomella 17:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

There's info about it in Davy Jones' locker. ^_^ --Masamage 02:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pipe Organ or Calliope?

Lots of edits going back and forth about this. Hash it out, guys. :) --Masamage 03:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

If it was a pipe organ, steam wouldn't come out of the pipes as it clearly does. Mallanox

it's sound is that of a pipe organ-but maybe it's neither, but a musical instrument that doesn't exist in the real world.

That's what I'm starting to suspect. --Masamage 23:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cthulhu?

Is his design based on Cthulhu ? When I first saw him in the movie it reminded me of Cthulhu. ~Wickanprince

His design is based on the same thing Clthulhu's is based on, is how I'd put it. --Masamage 18:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

To be succinct, he's based on squids and octopi. Some people find squids frightening... I found him comical, but that's a matter of opinion. ;D 68.225.240.87 09:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I added something about this to the trivia section. Zerath13

Sorry, but I'm removing it. There's nothing to indicate that Jones was in fact based on Cthulhu's design, so any claims that he was come under original research. Also, you worded it "his appearance is similar". That's trivial OR wording however you look at it. Anyway, I'm removing the Cthulhu note. Find a citation that says he was based on the design and it can stay, but until then, no. Dac 22:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah your right I guess it does fall under O.R. but I'll be a horses ass if Davy Jones isn't in some way inspired by Cthulhu. Zerath13

Well the thought crossed my mind as well, but without a source to put it to there's no way to verify it. Dac 01:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Powers?

Well, we've seen him teleport at least twice for certain, maybe again when Will challenged him. 68.225.240.87 09:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

That, and he can apparently stop people from dying. o_O --Masamage 21:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, a mildly important power. Jachra 09:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional sadists category

I removed this, but someone might disagree with me, so the floor's open for discussion. I think Davy Jones had a lot of weird motives, but pure joy of hurting people wasn't one I noticed. --Masamage 02:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I was the person who put him in that category. During the scene where he forced Bootstrap Bill to whip his own son, he seemed to gain pleasure from Bootstrap's anguish. Later in the film, he also forced Bootstrap Bill to watch the ship his son was on be crushed by the Kraken, although this could have been for revenge for betraying him. Further, throughout the whole film, I seemed to gain the impression that he was something of a malcontent, and vented his sorrow at his lover leaving him by spreading misery to those around him, which he seemed to enjoy. However, this is just my interpretation and I would like to hear other opinions on this. --66.24.238.44 03:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, yeah. I was a bit hasty. Would've put it back in the category, but someone already did! Sorry and thanks! ^_^ --Masamage 00:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similar appearance to Star Wars species

Notice that Davy Jones has striking physical similarities to the Feeorin pirate Rav and the Quarren. --216.229.165.162 00:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Is that really important? Dac 09:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope. But there used to be a whole section about who he looks like in the article itself, so if people need to let that stuff out, this is a great spot for it. --Masamage 18:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of similarities, Davy Jones does bear a striking resemblance to another octopus pirate created by Gary Gianni (first appeared as a backup story titled "Autopsy in B-Flat" in a 1997 Hellboy comic ("Almost Colossus"). See bottom of page for picture. The Link says that the character is also named Davy Jones. I don't have the comic on hand to verify the name. -- Rglass 08:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatever, all these similarities basically come down to original research. So they aren't really necessary anyway, unless a source can be cited stating a connection between Jones and whoever he's being linked to. If a source can be found saying "Davy Jones was based on..." or "this character was inspired by Davy Jones" or something along those lines, feel free to add them. Similarities alone aren't relevant and make the article cluttered anyway. Dac 08:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Fictional pirates

Why that category? Davy Jones is not a pirate. --89.172.196.27 17:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)Croatian pirate

No, he’s a pirate because:

  -He was sometimes called a "supernatural immortal pirate" during the promotion. 
  -He sinks ships, that’s an act of piracy.
  -The legend of Davy Jones' Locker says that Davy Jones was originally a pirate boatswain who  stole money from his shipmates.
  -In many other books and moves (for example in One Piece) Davy Jones is called a pirate.
  -He is listed among other fictional pirates on the List of fictional pirates.

Pillage is act of piracy. Davy Jones sinks ships but dont pillage them. There are many legends about Davy Jones' Locker. Who says that your is true? Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest is not based on One Piece. Davy Jones dont sail under Jolly Roger or called himself a pirate. In movie, no one call him a pirate. He's a some kind of sea Devil but not a pirate. And "List of fictional pirates"; you forget that Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself. --89.172.229.155 14:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Croatian pirate

-According to definitions of piracy, sinking of ships is an act of Piracy just as pillage of ships or kidnapping of crew member or passengers.

-Who says that it’s not true?

-Of course not, but Davy Jones himself is a character from an old Nautical lore, and he was mentioned in many books and movies, and some of them clearly calls him a Pirate (One Piece is only one of them)

-It’s not necessary to sail under a Jolly Roger or call yourself a pirate to be one. In fact, many pirates sailed under other flags or without any flag.

-Yes, no one call him a pirate in the movie, but informations from other canon sources were used in many articles (for example about Jack Sparrow or the Black Pearl).

-Being a both a sea Devil and a pirate is not a contradiction.

-Yes, Wikipedia can’t be used as a source for itself, but I think there should’n be contradictions between two articles in Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.144.70.134 (talk) 09:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC).