Talk:David E. Kelley

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Contents 1 David E. Kelley's Religion 2 Recycled Dialog? 3 Themes 4 Catholic or protestant 5 David E. Kelley's Archetypes

[edit] David E. Kelley's Religion

The recently added paragraph

Sometimes assumed to be a Catholic (because of his surname and his character on The Practice, Bobby Donnell's Catholic background and his personal estrangement from the Church over the issue of pedophile priests), Kelley is actually a Protestant.

merits some scrutiny. If, as The New York Times reported, Kelley was raised Catholic, to what Protestant denomination did he convert and when? And is Bobby Donnell "his character" more so than other Practice characters? Robert Happelberg 20:18, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recycled Dialog?

The examples provided of Kelley recycling dialog seem pretty trite. I bet lots of characters say "Hello" to each other on his different shows, too. Is that "recycled dialog" worthy of a place on this list? Or should we just delete this section? --Christofurio 21:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I haven't watched many of his shows, but if you ask me using a specific line from one show to the next sounds more like clever writing than "recycling" dialogue, especially based on the examples (save for "Look at me!" which I can see being easy to overuse). But as I haven't actually seen the scenes with these lines. --WWB 00:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Themes

For the love of god, why does somebody keep removing that he changes facts in his shows? Its fact, god dammit. Are we supposed to believe he is some beacon of fair and true debate? No, his shows have changed facts to make storylines better - live with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Conanoats (talk • contribs) 12:34, 29 August 2006.

I'm one of those "somebody" editors who is reverting this, and will continue to do so. Please refer to WP:Neutral point of view, which is one of Wikipedia's core policies. Especially read the part on fairness of tone. Your presentation of these alleged "facts" (for which you provide no citation) has overtones of an agenda, so it's not neutral. It's not all about "fact" or "truth". By the way, please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. -- PKtm 15:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

How can I cite a TV show? Maybe Wikipedia should remove all TV show entries since you can't prove any of it? It is all about fact and truth, what else is left? I don't want to read opinions, its true or not and this is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Conanoats (talk • contribs) 16:30, 29 August 2006.

No, you're contradicting what's presented in the TV show, but you offer no citation of source for the counterfacts that you mention. See WP:Verifiability. In Wikipedia, it's actually not about "truth" per se, it's about verifiability. And even if you did cite sources, you'd need to rewrite your text to be as neutral point of view as possible, because it's a selective presentation of facts obviously intended to paint Kelley as a liar. You need to understand that you have biases here, clearly, which is OK (we all have them, after all), and work to iron those out of any contribution you make to Wikipedia. By the way, again, please sign your talk page entries as I requested. Thanks, PKtm 16:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic or protestant

there is the category of roman catholic entreteniers, but in the biograpfy is said that he is a ´prtestant?? so what is he???

I took it off. The category is up for CFD and I'm trying to minimize misuse.--T. Anthony 14:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David E. Kelley's Archetypes

Wikipedia says "The Copyright Infringing Defendant Delusional defendant who thinks he's an icon of copyrighted American folklore, such as a famous comic book superhero or movie character. For example, on The Practice, Lindsay Dole defended a man who thought he was Hannibal Lecter, and kept calling her "Clarice". In another episode, a mental patient thought he was Superman and tried to fly off a hospital ledge."

The episode where a mental patient thought he was Superman was not written by David E. Kelley and he had very little involvement with the show that season except for at the beginning and the end. Also that's only 2 examples of that character, which hardly constitutes an archetype. I think that part should be removed.

Mmm, interesting. I'm sure with only a little effort we can find plenty more examples. Not off the top of my head right now, though. Robert Happelberg 17:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm blanking the whole section as Original Research. Find someone somewhere who's published this stuff and you can re-add it. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 07:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)