Talk:Vilnius Castle Complex
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| Comments | needs further copy/edit, more photos, possible expansion of some parts M.K. 13:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC) ) |
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I think the title should be really Vilnius Castles since there are 3 castles: upper, lower and kreivoji (btw, I am looking for a more proper translation for this one). Renata 19:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that name is right, cuz Vilnius Castle is a whole as such taking all in one. Maybe Complex as main? M.K. 19:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- You mean Vilnius Castle Complex? Good enough. My only objection really is that there is no such thing as Vilniaus pilis, there are only Vilniaus pilys. Renata 19:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes I am talking about Vilnius Castle Complex M.K.
- Moved. Renata 20:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes I am talking about Vilnius Castle Complex M.K.
- You mean Vilnius Castle Complex? Good enough. My only objection really is that there is no such thing as Vilniaus pilis, there are only Vilniaus pilys. Renata 19:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
btw why all centuries in wikipedia are writen in 9,5, form not in V, XIX?
- 'cause it's English :) I think using Roman numbers for centuries is (more or less) Lithuanian convention. Renata 20:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
About Curved castle - it should have separate history part also, but there are only few facts on it; several sentences tops. Maybe merge cuz stub will spoil article? M.K.
and another note - upper castle as such is called gediminas castle not gediminas tower M.K.
- No it's not. It's a popular shortcut, yes, but it is not Gediminas castle, it's upper castle. Gediminas have only the tower (more or less the only thing that's left from the castle). Renata 01:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I do not argue that Upper Castle term is bad or not scientific (I would not used in article if I thought so), but Gediminas Castle term refers to whole Upper Castle not only its tower. M.K. 07:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Bastille/basteja
I am thinking – do we need write separate article on Vilnius Bastille Vilnius Fortress is better I think or it is enough to make separate section of Vilnius Castle Complex? I am personally leaning to write separate article on Vilnius Bastille and make it as main article and used it as I did with Cathedral within Castle Complex articale. What other editors thinks about it? M.K. 18:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- The thing is that basteja is not really connected to the 3 castles. It was build much later, away from the other castles. So I am not even sure it belongs to this article (it's not a castle, that's for sure). BTW, I really like the way it is translated here -> Vilnius Artillery Bastion. Or are we talking about two different things? Renata 00:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Artillery Bastion was a part of Vilnius Fortress (i do not know the proper term of this, ) Vilnius Fortress was built also near the Lower Castle, and damage it; probably it deserves separate article. M.K. 14:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rivers
There needs to be something written about all the rivers: Vilnia, the one that's now underground. Because now the plan shows the territory completely surrounded by water, but there is nothing mentioned of that sort in the article. Renata 14:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I inserted some notes, but feel free to do more if you need to. BTW, is it worth to write in this articale about Vilnius Cathed. excavations - Barbora Rad. tomb as well as others? Do I need mention that the treasures were mured in walls? M.K. 14:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Doing some grammatical edits - Novickas 16:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Questions
I'm having some problems with the arsenals. In re New Arsenal: the article mentioned that it was "established in one of the oldest castle buildings in the 18th century" but later in the same paragaph it states that "during the 16th century its tower featured a beacon that guided ships in the Neris river", an anachronism.
Re Old arsenal - it states that "In contrast to New arsenal, which was adopted for this need in 18 th. century, Old arsenal was already established in 15 th. century". Does that mean that the old arsenal had already been built by then? If so, what are the suggested date ranges for its creation?
Novickas 14:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Answers
New Arsenal was adapted to Arsenal needs in 18 th century. It was adopted/established in one of the oldest castle buildings, which prior 18 th century was not used for Arsenal and only in 18 th century building was proclaimed as Aresnal. This old building (which in 18th became Arsenal), at least from 16 th century, had and beacon.
Old arsenal, as such, was used for arsenal needs in 15 th century, while New Arsenal only in 18 th. Old Arsenal of 15 th century disintegrated and undergone big reconstructions in 16 th. Is it a bit better explanation ? M.K. 14:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, thanks Novickas 14:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- No problem! M.K. 14:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
